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Wlakiz said:

Banning you off PSN is not limited to banning your account. It may include IP bans, locking your credit card or points from purchasing anything from PSN, removing your access to previouly purchased games on PSN.. etc etc...

If they get reallly nasty, they can remove your console specific decrpytion key from future Blu-Ray discs preventing you from playing future games/movies (think M$ blacklisting cracked windows keys).

1. Do you know how easy it is to change your ip?

2. This really doesn't bother me

3. How would they stop me from playing a game that is already on my hard drive?

 

4. Now explain this to me. On every blu-ray disc there is a code that intersects with my PS3? That they could remove and prevent me for watching/playing them?



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The main problem with custom firmware (among many other things) is that SCE is going to continue to release future firmware updates, many of which will include features the typical user will want to use.

Granted, the last firmware was easily the worst ever released since it only removed Linux support, but there will be no end to updates until SCE ceases support of the hardware platform.

Put simply, you'll have to rely upon a custom firmware release EVERY TIME a new official firmware release is required for the sole purpose of keeping Linux on your PS3.

To a very select few who either really want to use Linux to fool around with, or because they made the unfortunate decision to rely upon running Linux on their PS3 for media hub purposes or whatever, it will be worth the continual inconvenience, assuming a custom firmware is released to coincide with every official update.

But for everyone else, why even bother? The custom firmware will only keep Linux on your PS3 for as long as it takes for SCE to issue the next required firmware update, which could be in 2-3 months, maybe even less. You'll be offline waiting for a custom update every time this happens.

If someone really wants to make it that much of an issue, and they actually use PSN on a regular basis for gaming, the solution is bite the bullet and buy another PS3 if they insist on running Linux on your Fat because "I have to" or because "I paid for it" or whatever reason you can come up with.


As for offline use, I've still yet to run into a game that won't play on the old Linux supported firmware. So you always have option C.



bowspearer said:
Icyedge said:
Damnyouall said:

 

Just one problem with your whole argument. All of the above features were marketted, sold, bought and paid for. That places them squarely under the banner of consumer protection laws. If Sony had removed said features before the PS3 was released then it'd be their product, their chioce. However as the PS3 was released with those features, then under consumer protection laws, what Sony is doing is illegal as Sony are removing features which they advertised, which amounts to misleading conduct.

Furthermore, no T&C or EULA can override a country's laws, meaning that any T&C or EULA which Sony throws at users can be considered valid if said legal agreement contains clauses which breach a nation's laws.

In addition, no contract can be considered as valid if it was agreed to under duress. "Giving someone a choice" of either losing a media pc they paid for or online games access which they paid for the feature of, is a clear cut case of duress just like any other case of blackmail.

In short, it is illegal and yes, it really is that simple.

Your wrong, they didnt advertise PSN to be included in your packge, "other OS" yes but not PSN. If you dont want to remove "otherOS", then they remove PSN from you. They can remove it from anyone anytime they want. They can close their whole PSN server anytime they want actually. The problem with your statement is that your talking as if they are removing "otherOS" from you, which they are not. Now, like I said many times already, its a cheap move and I dont agree with them, but unlawful no.



dsister44 said:
Wlakiz said:

Banning you off PSN is not limited to banning your account. It may include IP bans, locking your credit card or points from purchasing anything from PSN, removing your access to previouly purchased games on PSN.. etc etc...

If they get reallly nasty, they can remove your console specific decrpytion key from future Blu-Ray discs preventing you from playing future games/movies (think M$ blacklisting cracked windows keys).

1. Do you know how easy it is to change your ip?

2. This really doesn't bother me

3. How would they stop me from playing a game that is already on my hard drive?

 

4. Now explain this to me. On every blu-ray disc there is a code that intersects with my PS3? That they could remove and prevent me for watching/playing them?

1. Do you know how easy it is to ban an ip? If(client_fw == invalid) ban_ip(client_ip);

2. Don't plan to buy anything more from PSN this life time? *shrug

3. Invalidate your game the next time you connect to PSN.. simple

4. Each Blu-Ray player have their own unique decryption key. Each blu-ray disc have their own protection software, you can store the blacklisted keys on to the software and the blu-ray disc will just reject your player. I think DVDs and CDs would still work.. so you are covered there

 

 



Wlakiz said:

1. Do you know how easy it is to ban an ip? If(client_fw == invalid) ban_ip(client_ip);

2. Don't plan to buy anything more from PSN this life time? *shrug

3. Invalidate your game the next time you connect to PSN.. simple

4. Each Blu-Ray player have their own unique decryption key. Each blu-ray disc have their own protection software, you can store the blacklisted keys on to the software and the blu-ray disc will just reject your player. I think DVDs and CDs would still work.. so you are covered there

 

 

1. so what are you saying? Are they just going to ban the entire IP provider? >.>

2. No, since the creation of that thread I haven't boughten any games. And there aren't any PSN exclusives that I want 

3. I'm sure that can be taken care of with cfw

4/ I'm going to need a link in order for you to prove to me 



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dsister44 said:
Wlakiz said:

1. Do you know how easy it is to ban an ip? If(client_fw == invalid) ban_ip(client_ip);

2. Don't plan to buy anything more from PSN this life time? *shrug

3. Invalidate your game the next time you connect to PSN.. simple

4. Each Blu-Ray player have their own unique decryption key. Each blu-ray disc have their own protection software, you can store the blacklisted keys on to the software and the blu-ray disc will just reject your player. I think DVDs and CDs would still work.. so you are covered there

 

 

1. so what are you saying? Are they just going to ban the entire IP provider? >.>

2. No, since the creation of that thread I haven't boughten any games. And there aren't any PSN exclusives that I want 

3. I'm sure that can be taken care of with cfw

4/ I'm going to need a link in order for you to prove to me 

1. I am saying they can ban you the moment you logon regardless of your ip

2. Good to know

3. Thats the risk you take

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Digital_rights_management :"Since keys can be revoked in newer releases, this is only a temporary attack, and new keys must continually be discovered in order to decrypt the latest discs. This cat and mouse game has gone through several cycles."



PS3 Fan said:
Silver-Tiger said:

Guys, we need to rest about this whole OtherOS feature.

Honestly, who of you used the OtherOS feature? Nobody.
And even if there some people who used OO, nobody forces you to upgrade. You have to answer THREE times before the FW gets installed completely, so you can't make it by mistake. You loose PSN connectivity, but I don't think the users of OtherOS are really gamers. If you need Linux for your company as a cluster for example, chances are it won't be used gaming ar 99% I'd say.

Also, there's one argument that haven't been said before, I think. People whoa re buying sorely for Linux aren't doing Sony a favor, you know. The PS3 is sold at a loss. So if they buy PS3's Sony is going to loose a LOT of money, because they won't buy games, movies, controllers, etc.

If they remove OtherOS, sure, some minor sales of the PS3 are lost, but the people who are still buying PS3s (because they don't need Linux anyway) are buying games, movies and so on.

The PS3 is subsidized. And OtherOS clearly hindered that business model.


Nobody cares about CFW but pirates.

Geohot should be blamed for the removal of OTHER OS, his illegal actions alone forced Sonys hand. Afterall they are only protecting the console from piracy and losses they would have.

Future PS3 games devlopement would suffer too.

I surely care about CFW and I am not a pirate, great homebrew can come from it. Plus emulators - and with the PS3's capabilities, you can run some great emulators.



Wlakiz said:

1. I am saying they can ban you the moment you logon regardless of your ip

2. Good to know

3. Thats the risk you take

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Digital_rights_management :"Since keys can be revoked in newer releases, this is only a temporary attack, and new keys must continually be discovered in order to decrypt the latest discs. This cat and mouse game has gone through several cycles."

Of course I'm not going to log in with the same account every time

3. The more I think about this the more I think that they can't do it. If any of the big 3 decide that I am not allowed to play a game that I pay for then I am sueing 

4. I believe this is why you need to update your firmware. Whenever I play a blu-ray movie it says that I need to have the latest firmware or else it will have problems playing. This should be fixed with cfw. If we ever get any =p

I highly doubt they can use the code to prevent my PS3 from playing blu-rays 



dsister44 said:
Wlakiz said:

1. I am saying they can ban you the moment you logon regardless of your ip

2. Good to know

3. Thats the risk you take

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Digital_rights_management :"Since keys can be revoked in newer releases, this is only a temporary attack, and new keys must continually be discovered in order to decrypt the latest discs. This cat and mouse game has gone through several cycles."

Of course I'm not going to log in with the same account every time

3. The more I think about this the more I think that they can't do it. If any of the big 3 decide that I am not allowed to play a game that I pay for then I am sueing 

4. I believe this is why you need to update your firmware. Whenever I play a blu-ray movie it says that I need to have the latest firmware or else it will have problems playing. This should be fixed with cfw. If we ever get any =p

I highly doubt they can use the code to prevent my PS3 from playing blu-rays 

Your right they cant legally prevent you from playing regular PS3 games and blu ray. What they can prevent you from are things like 3D blu ray or Moves games since that wasnt necessarily part of your purchase.



dsister44 said:
Wlakiz said:

1. I am saying they can ban you the moment you logon regardless of your ip

2. Good to know

3. Thats the risk you take

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Digital_rights_management :"Since keys can be revoked in newer releases, this is only a temporary attack, and new keys must continually be discovered in order to decrypt the latest discs. This cat and mouse game has gone through several cycles."

Of course I'm not going to log in with the same account every time

3. The more I think about this the more I think that they can't do it. If any of the big 3 decide that I am not allowed to play a game that I pay for then I am sueing 

4. I believe this is why you need to update your firmware. Whenever I play a blu-ray movie it says that I need to have the latest firmware or else it will have problems playing. This should be fixed with cfw. If we ever get any =p

I highly doubt they can use the code to prevent my PS3 from playing blu-rays 

 

Well its more or less if they blacklist your PS3's keys, it'll prevent you from playing any future BDs.. but whatever, you can still hug your otherOS.