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Khuutra said:
Xero said:
Khuutra said:
Xero said:
Btw, just to note Kratos will be in Dominus skin for 200% attack power and 50% damage from enemies.

Wait, are we operating outside of canon, here?

No if Link can pause it to change equipment Kratos can at least change his skin. 

So are you suggesting that Link and Kratos can't switch their weapons (since neither have a visible way of carrying them) or are you suggesting that the canonical ability to carry an absurd number of weapons is somehow equated with the non-canonical ability of being able to walk around in the body of Athena, or Hercules?

Canonically speaking, Kratos doesn't have access to those costumes. He never ran aorund in the Dairy Bastard outfit in-canon.

No, the Dominus skin is just an alternative kratos skin, it doesn't allow him to play as another character. And I wasn't saying he couldn't carry them, I was saying he couldn't switch them instantaniously. Kratos can use all of his weapons at any one time, switching in real time, link cannot switch weapons and gear in real time. 

As for using another bottle of chateu romani. I'd like to see link have the time to pull out another bottle, and open it after Kratos has been stalling for 3hours. In fact it's likely if he tried to get another bottle out, Kratos would be the one drinking it, and in turn the one summoning the powers of various gods for 3hours. 

 



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letsdance said:
Khuutra said:

So are you suggesting that Link and Kratos can't switch their weapons (since neither have a visible way of carrying them) or are you suggesting that the canonical ability to carry an absurd number of weapons is somehow equated with the non-canonical ability of being able to walk around in the body of Athena, or Hercules?

Canonically speaking, Kratos doesn't have access to those costumes. He never ran aorund in the Dairy Bastard outfit in-canon.

Link can only carry 3 items, a sword, a shield, and a tunic at a time. He doesnt have a magic ass hole that shits items out as he needs them. The developers made it that you can swap weapons out for fun factor... again... you are arguing the fact that since the developers made it that way its a rule. Kratos usually only has one set of weapons out at a time. Yes he has that one nifty combo that allows him to cycle through his weapons. Kratos has a lot of items on him though. Golden fleece. Blades of... Helios head. Hermes boots.

They put in the ability to pause and switch weapons because there aren't enough buttons to carry aorund all of them at the same time. There's a reason that Link from The Legend of Zelda is depicted as carrying around all ofh is items on his back in certain instances, and that reason is that he has access to all of his weapons all of the time. The fact that this is translated into a game mechanic by pausing and switching has nothing to do with it. By the logic you'reu sing, Kratos can't carry around his equipment either, unless he has a "magic ass hole", to use your vernacular. He has the Blade of Olympus, the Blades of Exile, the Nemesis Whip, the Claws of Hades, Helios's Head, Hermes's Boots, the Golden Fleece, Apollo's Bow, and the NEMEAN CESTUS. They're all on his body all at the same time. They're all laying there plainly on the ground when Zeus ruins Kratos's shit.

Both of them can carry all of their weapons. That kidn of thing can't be applied to one and not the other when both are capable of doing it.



letsdance said:
caz604 said:
letsdance said:
caz604 said:
letsdance said:
caz604 said:
As always, Khuutra, your debating skills are top notch.

This reminds me of the great debate of the Marvel Universe vs the DC Comics Universe.
Mythos from the real world... changed and adapted for mythos in the video game world...

I myself would have to go with which world the fight would take place.

If it was in the God of War Universe with the laws of physics and magic from that world, then Kratos would win.

If fought in Hyrule, Kratos doesn't stand a chance.

However, if on a neutral world, we need goalposts and the new laws of physics and magic to have a nice solid debate.

His debating skills are to ignore logic and use double standards to his advantage.


Well I dont see the double standard.... and I've been debating, bargaining, negotiating a long time from experience. 

What needs to be done here, is to lay the field down and set up a core set of parameters to adhere to. 

While I understand your viewpoint, and you're correct in your arguement about the devs balance.. et al, however that in itself lends credence to Khuutras arguement.


It is logical to believe that when Link is attacking he isnt intangible. Just like its logical to believe Kratos can hop onto a ledge on the other side of the screen without dying. In order for him to not have double standards he needs to say kratos drops dead from touching a restricted area... Do we actually believe this would be the case in an all out battle with link? No. I don't think anyone would. Just like we can discredit the devs for killing kratos we can discredit them with their magic cape.

On top of that he says "Kratos never actually uses the items he gets" which is another ridiculous claim. As I pointed out I never used the magic cape in my game either thus the magic cape in thrown out along with the items kratos never uses. If he didn't have double standards he would allow the items Kratos gets since he does indeed have possession over them... more so than link has over the magic cape.

But you see that is exactly the problem...

 

You're trying to add your logic to a videogame. 

Its like me trying to add logic to a comic book characters traits knowing full well it depends on the creator/author to determine.  Does it have to be realistic?  Does it have to be fair?  Does it have to be equitable?  They can make it the way they want. 

If that cape allows the user to hit but cannot be touched, well then thats the way it is.  What does logic have to do with it?  Overpowered?  Uber'd?  Sure, but thats been happening in videogames like forever.

As for your parameters, then you yourself have to limit those in your arguments.  Assuming you said Kratos by GoW3 and all the Links combined.


I'm not adding logic. Unless we all agree Kratos just drops dead which I already suggested then Khuutra is full of double standards. He knows that saying "Yes kratos would just drop dead" is ridiculous in itself thats why he hasn't responded to it. He knows its just as ridiculous as saying Link is intangible. And the cape doesn't work that way. Everything I read just says it makes him invisible and AT WILL he can walk through walls. Just because the Devs made it so that "will" means anytime the player selects the cape doesn't make it work like that.

BTW - http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/reply.php?thread=106969"e=3336897

Thats when I stopped taking him seriously.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand where your arguement is coming from. 

I think your trying to combine the developmental concept (layout) of the game with the developmental traits of the character.  I'm not going to touch that as that would be an assumption of which I have no background knowledge as I haven't played Zelda since OoT and GoW for a few years. 

However, that list and quote, of which you stopped taking Khuutra seriously is I believe shortsighted, in my opinion. 



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TinouX said:
Xero said:

 

Heliosis head isn't light rays or magic. It simply returns anything to trueform. The walls and chests kratos illuminates are in bright sunlight and previously intangible (they can't be hit or anything like that). And the head of helios does not deplete kratos' mana pool so it is not a type of magic, plus you only provide the instance of 'fire magic'. 

 

I think this is a key point.  Looking at Helios' Head as simply something that produces some light is a simplistic take on it.  In fact, it's a lot more powerful that that and, as you say, one of its abilities is to return things to true form.  There are doorways covered with solid rock that you can't break through (such as just after you rip off Helios' head), yet illuminating where the doorway would be elimates the rock.  The rock covering the doorway was always there and didn't simply appear because the sun went out.  Simply shining regular sunlight on it won't remove the head, but using Helios' head will. 


Exactly, Khuutra is suggesting that its the sunlight that is the key... when that is complete fallacy... its the developers story telling and pacing of the game. There is no reason to believe developers would make their game more frustrating and boring by making their game realistic. Thats a good way of getting bad reviews. Developers number one goal is to create an entertaining game... And I dont think just being invisible would be much fun if I just got attacked right away.



Xero said:
Khuutra said:

So are you suggesting that Link and Kratos can't switch their weapons (since neither have a visible way of carrying them) or are you suggesting that the canonical ability to carry an absurd number of weapons is somehow equated with the non-canonical ability of being able to walk around in the body of Athena, or Hercules?

Canonically speaking, Kratos doesn't have access to those costumes. He never ran aorund in the Dairy Bastard outfit in-canon.

No, the Dominus skin is just an alternative kratos skin, it doesn't allow him to play as another character. And I wasn't saying he couldn't carry them, I was saying he couldn't switch them instantaniously. Kratos can use all of his weapons at any one time, switching in real time, link cannot switch weapons and gear in real time. 

As for using another bottle of chateu romani. I'd like to see link have the time to pull out another bottle, and open it after Kratos has been stalling for 3hours. In fact it's likely if he tried to get another bottle out, Kratos would be the one drinking it, and in turn the one summoning the powers of various gods for 3hours. 

What I'm saying is that the Dominus Skin (do you mean the God of War armor?) isn't something that exists in-canon, so Kratos can't use it when talking about a canonical perspective.

Link switches weapons instantaneously constantly. Even if you just stick to the three C-buttons, he can switch between items instantaneously in real-time, and the fact that you have to pause to pick out what items yyou want does not detract from that fact.

Kratos won't be able to stall for three hours. Like I said: if it comes down to it, Link can just pull out the Bombos Medallion and BLOW HIM TO SMITHEREENS.



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Btw just looking through God of War lore, if Link could find the time to play Calliope's song on his Ocarina it'd probably turn Kratos to tears :P



Xero said:
Btw just looking through God of War lore, if Link could find the time to play Calliope's song on his Ocarina it'd probably turn Kratos to tears :P

I have to ask this, so forgive me if it comes across as presumptuous:

How much God of War have you played?

(time freezes while Link plays the Ocarina. Stupid, but true)



Khuutra said:
letsdance said:
Khuutra said:

So are you suggesting that Link and Kratos can't switch their weapons (since neither have a visible way of carrying them) or are you suggesting that the canonical ability to carry an absurd number of weapons is somehow equated with the non-canonical ability of being able to walk around in the body of Athena, or Hercules?

Canonically speaking, Kratos doesn't have access to those costumes. He never ran aorund in the Dairy Bastard outfit in-canon.

Link can only carry 3 items, a sword, a shield, and a tunic at a time. He doesnt have a magic ass hole that shits items out as he needs them. The developers made it that you can swap weapons out for fun factor... again... you are arguing the fact that since the developers made it that way its a rule. Kratos usually only has one set of weapons out at a time. Yes he has that one nifty combo that allows him to cycle through his weapons. Kratos has a lot of items on him though. Golden fleece. Blades of... Helios head. Hermes boots.

They put in the ability to pause and switch weapons because there aren't enough buttons to carry aorund all of them at the same time. There's a reason that Link from The Legend of Zelda is depicted as carrying around all ofh is items on his back in certain instances, and that reason is that he has access to all of his weapons all of the time. The fact that this is translated into a game mechanic by pausing and switching has nothing to do with it. By the logic you'reu sing, Kratos can't carry around his equipment either, unless he has a "magic ass hole", to use your vernacular. He has the Blade of Olympus, the Blades of Exile, the Nemesis Whip, the Claws of Hades, Helios's Head, Hermes's Boots, the Golden Fleece, Apollo's Bow, and the NEMEAN CESTUS. They're all on his body all at the same time. They're all laying there plainly on the ground when Zeus ruins Kratos's shit.

Both of them can carry all of their weapons. That kidn of thing can't be applied to one and not the other when both are capable of doing it.


Fine they carry all their items together. Link comes across a pissed off kratos. Link reaches in is magic ass hole and now his hand is stuck up there for the rest of his fight since kratos just cut his arm off. Kratos slowly walks up to a crying link and says "Here let me help you dig your shit out." Rips off his arm and shoves it up his ass then walks away.



letsdance said:


Fine they carry all their items together. Link comes across a pissed off kratos. Link reaches in is magic ass hole and now his hand is stuck up there for the rest of his fight since kratos just cut his arm off. Kratos slowly walks up to a crying link and says "Here let me help you dig your shit out." Rips off his arm and shoves it up his ass then walks away.

So are you going to actually make an argument or will you continue to insist that Kratos wins "just because"?



Link could in no way, shape or form even scratch Kratos. Kratos has everything you can possibly imagine in his advantige.