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Khuutra on 15 April 2010
letsdance said:
Khuutra said:

Why would Kratos be able to do that when Kratos himself is incapable of breaking selfsame walls? Or even locked doors?

And it's not clear why Link can pass through some walls (and all enemies) but not others - it probably has to do with the density of the walls, since the walls Link can pass through tend to be somewhat porous.

Well I can tell you that non of Kratos weapons are porous thus he is able to make contact with Link. Kratos wins the end. (Even though he won at the begining of the thread since Link would never make contact for the three day fight anyway  when he has been trying to attack kratos for 3 days straight while kratos just hops around and laughs at his pathetic attempts and link becoms fatiguedthen kratos would just slaughter him.

Non-porous weapons are not able to hit Link. Enemies in general are not able to hit Link.



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Khuutra on 15 April 2010
Xero said:
Khuutra said:

No, it doesn't. If Link's body was what was casting his shadow, then he would be visible. That's how light works.

And again, there is no particular canonical reason to think that the head of Helios would work on the magic cape, since Link can use it in bright light, sunlight, and when being hit with magical fire (light).

Heliosis head isn't light rays or magic. It simply returns anything to trueform. The walls and chests kratos illuminates are in bright sunlight and previously intangible (they can't be hit or anything like that). And the head of helios does not deplete kratos' mana pool so it is not a type of magic, plus you only provide the instance of 'fire magic'. 

Plus links cape can only be used for short pertions of time as it quickly drains links mana pool. So even if it was used Kratos could use the boots of speed to run in the opposite direction until link returned to trueform. 

Helios's head is the light of the Sun, he says so when Kratos is about to tear it off.

The invisible chests and walls are not in bright sunlight, since the Sun has gone out by the time you find them. Ditto the Sirens.

Link's cape uses up magic, yes, and I don't blame you forn ot reaidng th whole long stupid topic, but letsdance established that this was all Links combined, which means Link has Chateau Romani for infinite magic, the Magic Cape, and the Pegasus Boots.



letsdance on 15 April 2010

Lol Khuutra wants us to acknowledge his points but just like his game double standards he doesnt acknoledge ours. Its ok. I stopped taking him seriously when he said links kill list dwarfs kratos'



chapset on 15 April 2010
Khuutra said:
chapset said:
Khuutra said:

Why would Kratos be able to do that when Kratos himself is incapable of breaking selfsame walls? Or even locked doors?

And it's not clear why Link can pass through some walls (and all enemies) but not others - it probably has to do with the density of the walls, since the walls Link can pass through tend to be somewhat porous.

if link cannot go through certain wall du to density then that means he is tangible, also to be able to hit kratis with is sword it need to be tangible even for a split of a second, if the sword is tangible link must be tangible a that moment to because he wouldn't be able to hold it if he stay intangible, so that split of a second is enough for kratos to hit him

Link can hit enemies while standing inside of other enemies and not take any damage, even though he takes damage jsut from touching enemies. Ergo, he never touches them, ergo he never becomes tangible. His intangibility is one-way. This has already been established.

so by touching an ennemi he take damage but somehow he can get inside those ennemies? when inside those ennemies he doesn't become tangible so that means at that moment he doesn't have a mass, which means in quantum physique he doesn't exist, how can he interect with tangible objects then (the ennemies), it's like your saying an invisble, untouchable being is able to move a rock, does that make any sence to you?



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Khuutra on 15 April 2010
chapset said:
Khuutra said:

Link can hit enemies while standing inside of other enemies and not take any damage, even though he takes damage jsut from touching enemies. Ergo, he never touches them, ergo he never becomes tangible. His intangibility is one-way. This has already been established.

so by touching an ennemi he take damage but somehow he can get inside those ennemies? when inside those ennemies he doesn't become tangible so that means at that moment he doesn't have a mass, which means in quantum physique he doesn't exist, how can he interect with tangible objects then (the ennemies), it's like your saying an invisble, untouchable being is able to move a rock, does that make any sence to you?

He can stand inside of enemies when he's using the Magic Cape - that's why I say he's intangible when he wears it.

And how? I don't know. It's a Magic Cape. It doesn't have to adhere to the laws of physics (or be fair).

I'm not saying it makes sense. I'm saying that's how it is. I have admitted several times in this topic that Chateau Romani + the Magic Cape is so broken that it borders on cheating, but letsdance insists on not changing the parameters so that Link can't use that combo.



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caz604 on 15 April 2010
letsdance said:
caz604 said:
letsdance said:
caz604 said:
As always, Khuutra, your debating skills are top notch.

This reminds me of the great debate of the Marvel Universe vs the DC Comics Universe.
Mythos from the real world... changed and adapted for mythos in the video game world...

I myself would have to go with which world the fight would take place.

If it was in the God of War Universe with the laws of physics and magic from that world, then Kratos would win.

If fought in Hyrule, Kratos doesn't stand a chance.

However, if on a neutral world, we need goalposts and the new laws of physics and magic to have a nice solid debate.

His debating skills are to ignore logic and use double standards to his advantage.


Well I dont see the double standard.... and I've been debating, bargaining, negotiating a long time from experience. 

What needs to be done here, is to lay the field down and set up a core set of parameters to adhere to. 

While I understand your viewpoint, and you're correct in your arguement about the devs balance.. et al, however that in itself lends credence to Khuutras arguement.


It is logical to believe that when Link is attacking he isnt intangible. Just like its logical to believe Kratos can hop onto a ledge on the other side of the screen without dying. In order for him to not have double standards he needs to say kratos drops dead from touching a restricted area... Do we actually believe this would be the case in an all out battle with link? No. I don't think anyone would. Just like we can discredit the devs for killing kratos we can discredit them with their magic cape.

On top of that he says "Kratos never actually uses the items he gets" which is another ridiculous claim. As I pointed out I never used the magic cape in my game either thus the magic cape in thrown out along with the items kratos never uses. If he didn't have double standards he would allow the items Kratos gets since he does indeed have possession over them... more so than link has over the magic cape.

But you see that is exactly the problem...

 

You're trying to add your logic to a videogame. 

Its like me trying to add logic to a comic book characters traits knowing full well it depends on the creator/author to determine.  Does it have to be realistic?  Does it have to be fair?  Does it have to be equitable?  They can make it the way they want. 

If that cape allows the user to hit but cannot be touched, well then thats the way it is.  What does logic have to do with it?  Overpowered?  Uber'd?  Sure, but thats been happening in videogames like forever.

As for your parameters, then you yourself have to limit those in your arguments.  Assuming you said Kratos by GoW3 and all the Links combined.



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Xero on 15 April 2010

Chateau romani only lasts 3 days. In Zelda time that's 3hours. Kratos can stall fight for 3hours. I think it'd take more than 3hours to kill Kratos in God form anyway, if Kratos wasn't fighting that is.



Khuutra on 15 April 2010
letsdance said:
Lol Khuutra wants us to acknowledge his points but just like his game double standards he doesnt acknoledge ours. Its ok. I stopped taking him seriously when he said links kill list dwarfs kratos'

I've acknowledged every actual point that's been made so far.

All you have to do is change the parameters of the fight so that Kratos isn't fighting every single Link combined, and this whole "Chateau Romani + Magic Cape is unbeatable" thing would go away.



Khuutra on 15 April 2010
Xero said:
Chateau romani only lasts 3 days. In Zelda time that's 3hours. Kratos can stall fight for 3hours. I think it'd take more than 3hours to kill Kratos in God form anyway, if Kratos wasn't fighting that is.

There's nothing that suggests that Chateau Romani only lasts for three days, only that its effects don't carry over when you roll back time.



letsdance on 15 April 2010
caz604 said:
letsdance said:
caz604 said:
letsdance said:
caz604 said:
As always, Khuutra, your debating skills are top notch.

This reminds me of the great debate of the Marvel Universe vs the DC Comics Universe.
Mythos from the real world... changed and adapted for mythos in the video game world...

I myself would have to go with which world the fight would take place.

If it was in the God of War Universe with the laws of physics and magic from that world, then Kratos would win.

If fought in Hyrule, Kratos doesn't stand a chance.

However, if on a neutral world, we need goalposts and the new laws of physics and magic to have a nice solid debate.

His debating skills are to ignore logic and use double standards to his advantage.


Well I dont see the double standard.... and I've been debating, bargaining, negotiating a long time from experience. 

What needs to be done here, is to lay the field down and set up a core set of parameters to adhere to. 

While I understand your viewpoint, and you're correct in your arguement about the devs balance.. et al, however that in itself lends credence to Khuutras arguement.


It is logical to believe that when Link is attacking he isnt intangible. Just like its logical to believe Kratos can hop onto a ledge on the other side of the screen without dying. In order for him to not have double standards he needs to say kratos drops dead from touching a restricted area... Do we actually believe this would be the case in an all out battle with link? No. I don't think anyone would. Just like we can discredit the devs for killing kratos we can discredit them with their magic cape.

On top of that he says "Kratos never actually uses the items he gets" which is another ridiculous claim. As I pointed out I never used the magic cape in my game either thus the magic cape in thrown out along with the items kratos never uses. If he didn't have double standards he would allow the items Kratos gets since he does indeed have possession over them... more so than link has over the magic cape.

But you see that is exactly the problem...

 

You're trying to add your logic to a videogame. 

Its like me trying to add logic to a comic book characters traits knowing full well it depends on the creator/author to determine.  Does it have to be realistic?  Does it have to be fair?  Does it have to be equitable?  They can make it the way they want. 

If that cape allows the user to hit but cannot be touched, well then thats the way it is.  What does logic have to do with it?  Overpowered?  Uber'd?  Sure, but thats been happening in videogames like forever.

As for your parameters, then you yourself have to limit those in your arguments.  Assuming you said Kratos by GoW3 and all the Links combined.


I'm not adding logic. Unless we all agree Kratos just drops dead which I already suggested then Khuutra is full of double standards. He knows that saying "Yes kratos would just drop dead" is ridiculous in itself thats why he hasn't responded to it. He knows its just as ridiculous as saying Link is intangible. And the cape doesn't work that way. Everything I read just says it makes him invisible and AT WILL he can walk through walls. Just because the Devs made it so that "will" means anytime the player selects the cape doesn't make it work like that.

BTW - http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/reply.php?thread=106969&quote=3336897

Thats when I stopped taking him seriously.