@Girl Gamer elite

well I didn;t OWN a Ps2 einstein....

until 05 where the Ps3 craze got me

Considering the development teams of FFXIII and FFXII are totally different in every way I fail to see your point other then trying to belittle FFXIII and take a cheap shot at Square.

And sooner or later the US will realize that the gaming world dosen't revolve around them and that Square don't have to release anything in the US

Technically the DS is where they make (and will continue to make) the most money hehe.  What would have been more accurate for Soriku to say is that SE doesn't make their main franchises (FF, DQ, KH) multiplatform, which would be true.  Obviously that isn't just based on system success.  The Sega Genesis was successful but never got an FF or DQ game from the SNES. 

Me too I went from ninty to Playstation.

KH 2 and KH1 are must buy.

^^ Where's your other hand, leo?

KH is NOT targeted at the child demographic. How would it be? Look at the story, things like Organization XIII and the Chasers, and the gameplay, and then tell me how it's targeted towards kids. Just because it has Mickey in there?

Do you really think kids understand things like "the origin of the keyblade", "Xemnas' true purpose" or the reoccuring theme that Hearts have in the game?

I hate the logic of "It has Mickey Mouse, so it's for kids". It's because of that logic that either A) People are somehow convinced that it won't be on PS3 and B) People miss out on a great game because they think they are belittling themselves because Mushu is in the game

You guys seem to ignore that the ongoing story, and the things that intertwine them don't appeal to little 8 year olds, nor do they appeal to granny. The fact that it has Disney characters in there was to connect the Final Fantasy audience with their pasttimes, not vice versa (they put Disney into Final Fantasy, not Final Fantasy into Disney), and that's why the game still plays like a Final Fantasy, rather than a Disney game. And because of that, it seems unlikely that KH3 would come to the Wii, because the only games you guys seem to like are party games and Mario (I know things like MP3 and Zelda, and No more heroes are on the Wii, but if the Wii really is geared towards the "casual" audience, then why would a "casual" player devote 40+ hours to a game, if he/she only "casually" plays the Wii?)

 /rant over

KH3 will most likely be on the Wii because I firmly believe it will have the biggest userbase of the three console systems. I've made it no secret that I believe Wii will completly dominate this generation in NA anyway like the PS 2 did last generation and if that's the case then it'd be hard to put it anywhere else. (not impossible though)

You are silly. Just like I said, you believe that since Mickey Mouse is in the game, then it's targeted for kids. If you read up on how KH was even conceived, you'd know it was because execs at Squaresoft and Disney Japan met up in an elevator, and the Square people proposed to make the game in order get their main audience to enjoy another FF-level epic, whilst enjoying things from their past (Disney characters and worlds). There is no "Disney for kids, FF for hardcore. KH is for the FF audience. Period. And you talk about the language of the game. Do you know how everyone in Organization XIII speak (minus Demyx)? In the first game, do you know how many times the villains said things along the line of "Let me be the one to fight him next, I want to kill him"? And the guns at Port Royal are the same guns that are in POTC. There's no need to redesign, BECAUSE POTC IS A DISNEY MOVIE!

And you need to check up on your "facts". FACT: Kingdom Hearts is published by Square Enix (which means they are the ones paying the money to make the game) and also developed by Square Enix along with Buena Vista Interactive. It is because Buena Vista helped develop that Disney character are even allowed to be in the game. But since the game is published by SE, they are the ones that have the say-so in what direction the final product goes. The addition of Disney characters was the fanservice, not the other way around as you put it. Bottom line: KH is a Square Enix game. If you don't want to believe me here's a link:

http://ps2.ign.com/objects/550/550308.html

Check over to the right, and you will see. The least you could have done was Wikipedia the game to know what goes on.

The games you mentioned....they can be played casually and still be understood. If the Wii really does cater to the "casual" audience, then how would anyone be able to appreciate the KH story if they only play the game for 30 minutes, stop, and then don't pick it back up for a few weeks? Those games you mentioned can be beat in a matter of hours, so they are just quick fun. KH takes time to understand what's going on, and to comprehend all the connections and what not made in the game. Mario, on the other hand, appeals to people who like platformers, not everyone. And TP was a launch game that everyone picked up along with the Wii. But how many people are buying that game now?

And you mentioned that Reggie character???? I should stop responding. Your taking the word of some guy that said that the PS3/360 are inside a  metaphorical box.

Anyway, KH does NOT appeal to everyone. Disney =/= everyone. FF =/= everyone. So how does FF + Disney = everyone? You continue to fail to see that it is, in its' true essence, a Final Fantasy game, and not everyone likes that game. However, people who DO like Final Fantasy (reiterating again that FF =/= everyone) enjoy the game because it has FF elements along with characters they grew up with.

And you say that the PS2 was targeted strictly at "casuals". If that's so, tell me how many party games are on that system? How many quick fun multiplayer games did it have? The majority of the PS2 library was RPGs, sports, and action/adventure games. The Wii on the other hand has games like Wii sports, Carnival games, and NinjaBreadMan. There's a difference between the two.

Bottom Line: You're 13. At that tender age, you believe you are always right, and wishful thinking stays dominant. If you think games like Ratchet and Clank = casual, then you are sadly mistaken. Casual games are more like Wii Sports, where you can easily pick up and play. No depth to it, no leveling up, none of that, you just play. Kingdom Hearts simply wouldn't fit into the Wii repetoire because #1 Just because it has Disney doesn't mean it's for everyone and #2 The Wii audience finds enjoyment in social games, family games, etc and Kh is just not it. #3 You say Sqaure supports the Nintendo, but all you guys get are spin offs and remakes (358/2, Crystal Chronicles, FF Tactics Advance, Dawn of Souls).

I will admit, I'm a Sony fan, but I don't allow that cloud my judgment. I can look at the 360 objectively, because it has good games. I can look at the Wii objectively because it's a successful system. But I can't look at your fallacy-filled argument objectively, because you don't have your facts straight and you aslo basically said "I don't like PS3 because it has a game that like" which make NO sense whatsoever. That's like me saying "I don't like the 360 because it has Halo" wtf??

You, for some reason, believe that appealing to casuals = appealing to everyone, and that's just not true.  In fact, casual gamers are their own little branch of gamers. Just like "hardcore" people are their own little branch. Thing is though, hardcore gamers aren't the majority, non-gamers are. And the Wii appeals to just that, that's why it's sold so much. Appealing to EVERYONE means having games of all genres to accomodate people with different tatses. Appealing to CASUALS means making games that are quick and easy to pick up and play, and you don't have to have any committment to them (your argument for DVD in PS2 is farce, because DVD was just a medium for games, that just so happened to play movies. If the case you present were true, then since PS3 has Blu-ray, it's a "casual" system, by your logic). But just because the Wii appeals to casuals doesn't mean that every game invented should be on the system. KH is not a casual game, Disney = kids does not translate to KH = casuals. Kids play videogames more than "casuals" do. And at the same time, KH is not a kids' game, so why would it go Wii? It's neither a kids' game nor a casual game, so in the end, what's your point?

And on side note, have you played FFIX? Most of the characters in there are aged 14-16, and the drawing style is chibi-ish with the big heads and small bodies. Does that mean that FFIX is targeted at "casuals" or kids? No, it doesn't, because that game just paid homage to the original FFs, as Kingdom Hearts pays homage to the Disney characters that a lot of the FF audience grew up with, if you get the analogy.

When Soriku tells someone to quit being such a Kingdom Hearts fanboy ... wow.  That is hardcore fanboyism.

[edit:  Hmm, just noticed the date on this one.  I wouldn't have posted a pointless comment on a days-defunct thread knowingly, but oh well.  How did I find it in the first place, I wonder?]