not really, if I dont like the JRPGs, I play killzone 2 instead.

I agree with maxwell, JRPG's this gen haven't been all to impressive, excluding Final Fantasy XIII and Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope. There is also Disgaea, Resonance of Fate, Eternal Sonata, Last Rebellion (has anyone played this yet?) and a few releasing this year aswel.

Also half of the JRPG's released on the PS3 im pretty sure stay in Japan only at the moment as last gen there were more than you could play, this gen your lucky to get 2 a year, this year however we have been lucky with Star Ocean and Final Fantasy all within the first 3 months of the year, at least here in the UK.

However... i have played FFXIII, SO4, Agarest and Enchanted Arms this gen but i have replayed, FFVI, FFVII, FFX, FFIII, FFXII, FFX-2 and Chrono Trigger and about to replay Dark Cloud.

I downloaded Grandia from the PSN. I only watched the opening cinematic and I haven't played it yet. Still, from what I've researched online, it's going to fit the bill. I haven't played many RPG's this gen. Mostly WRPG's, Infinite Undiscovery, Valkyria Chronicles, Lost Odyssey, Magna Carta 2, Blue Dragon, FF13, and Enchanted Arms. There was always some glaring flaw that kept each game from greatness. Of all of them, the ONLY one that gives me that classic RPG feel with good story, good graphics, and good battle/level up system is Lost Odyssey.

Maybe I need to try some Wii RPG's.

Well I have to say. I think the quality is about the same... because there has always been many crap JRPG's. Just not very many JRPG's

The only 3 JRPG's that I liked are Valkyria Chronicles, and FFXIII. FFXIII was my third favorite final fantasy... which is my favorite series besides Metal Gear. (and Valkyria Chronicles and FFXIII are modified JRPG's) (As is ROF but I don't like it) I'm not hardcore enough :P. So if it continues this pace it will be the same amount. Yakuza 3 (Does that count?)

The JRPG's I liked on PS2 were. Dragon Quest VIII, FFX, Shadow Hearts 2, FFX-2, Persona 3: FES (I didn't like P4). And probably others

The PSone JRPG's I liked. are FFVII-FFIX, Xenogears, Chrono Chross, Vagrant Story,

The SNES ones i liked were.... FFVI but it sucked after you get separated., And Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG. I thought FFIV was irritating, except Rydia is hot... so that goes on here because of her. Super Maro RPG. (I played mostly Zelda and donkey kong at the time tho haha).

So, I don't think it's gotten worse for me. But The dialog's gotten better in JRPG's I think, it's just it's spoken, so if they say something
stupid it's much more noticeable. I personally thought this generation sucked til this past year. For next gen games in general.

The Ghost of RubangB said: RPGs and a few other genres really got perfected during the SNES era. The graphics and sound were much better than anything before, but not to the point where they had to reinvent everything for the 3rd dimension, FMVs weren't possible yet, and budgets weren't so high they couldn't afford to do a single interesting thing. Riskier costs lead to less risky game design. I wish they'd release Final Fantasy Gaiden in the west, but I don't really have time for RPGs nowadays. I'm dabbling with Infinite Space right now.

Western release was just confirmed yesterday
 http://www.siliconera.com/2010/04/08/the-4-heroes-of-light-or-final-fantasy-gaiden-going-international/

how dare anyone put suck & FF6 in the same sentence

{charges pistol}

darthdevidem01 said: how dare anyone put suck & FF6 in the same sentence {charges pistol}

:D I loved the first half or whenever you know.  maybe if I played it again (I hated FFIX but then I played it again. and I loved it) I wouldn't get annoyed. I just got pissed when I got split up from my party... and I had to find them again.

Kinda like ya know, I wanted it to be something it wasn't. Like FFIX, I wanted it to be like VI-VIII, and it wasn't so I hated it. Then played it again and it was quite funny :)

RageBot said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: dunno001 said: I personally never gave up SNES RPGs. I'm still buying them, still playing them. For me personally, it was the pinnacle of RPGs. Sure, there are some good ones from PS1 and onward, but the overall quality wasn't as high. Oh, and dtewi, yes, I would take FF1 over the current gen RPGs. I'd also take FF1 over any of the PS1 or later FF games. Someone needs to play Suikoden I-III, Paper Mario/Thousand Year Door, Final Fantasy VIII, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross and well, any Dragon Quest ever made. Yeah, Suikoden 1-3 are amazing as a trilogy, Cross is also incredible. I will personaly recommend Xenogears, Valkyrie Profile, Wild Arms 1 and 3 and Vagrant Story.

Except that you both have the same flaw: spanning multiple systems, hell, even multiple eras. As for the ones you both mention:

-Suikoden: finished 1, 2-5 + Tactics are backlogged.
-Paper Mario series: Backlogged on VC and disks.
-FF8: Complete and total crap. I played too much of it for my tastes. I'd rather be stuck playing FPS games than this. (And I'm not an FPS fan.)
-Legend of Mana: Backlogged, though with little interest.
-Chrono Cross: More crap, and it insults fans of Trigger. (And mind you, Trigger is one of the SNES greats.)
-Dragon Quest: You're telling this to someone whose second RPG was DQ1 from Nintendo Power? (The first, for the record, was a Swordquest game.) And to someone who has played every DQ through 8, and who will be getting 9 and 10 upon US release? Not to mention... where do you think DQ5 and DQ6 started?
-Xenogears: Eh, I started this game, but it didn't really hold my interest. I might go back, but there's just too many other games backlogged.
-Valkyrie Profile: Backlogged.
-Wild Arms: Almost finished 1 (going to college delayed me), 2-5 + Alter Code F backlogged.
-Vagrant Story: Another game that really isn't interesting me, based on what I've seen of the mechanics.

Now, reread my original post. I did say that there were some good games post the SNES days. But as an average, a typical RPG wasn't as good after the SNES. The PS2 got some kickass ones, mostly from Atlus, but also brought the crap known as the Final Fantasy series. It also introduced episodic RPGs at a price a tad too high. (FF4:TAY got it right, .Hack didn't.) But, finding a bad RPG on the SNES was actually a chore. I'd have to stop and think if I could find one...

dunno001 said: RageBot said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: dunno001 said: I personally never gave up SNES RPGs. I'm still buying them, still playing them. For me personally, it was the pinnacle of RPGs. Sure, there are some good ones from PS1 and onward, but the overall quality wasn't as high. Oh, and dtewi, yes, I would take FF1 over the current gen RPGs. I'd also take FF1 over any of the PS1 or later FF games. Someone needs to play Suikoden I-III, Paper Mario/Thousand Year Door, Final Fantasy VIII, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross and well, any Dragon Quest ever made. Yeah, Suikoden 1-3 are amazing as a trilogy, Cross is also incredible. I will personaly recommend Xenogears, Valkyrie Profile, Wild Arms 1 and 3 and Vagrant Story. Except that you both have the same flaw: spanning multiple systems, hell, even multiple eras. As for the ones you both mention: -Suikoden: finished 1, 2-5 + Tactics are backlogged. -Paper Mario series: Backlogged on VC and disks. -FF8: Complete and total crap. I played too much of it for my tastes. I'd rather be stuck playing FPS games than this. (And I'm not an FPS fan.) -Legend of Mana: Backlogged, though with little interest. -Chrono Cross: More crap, and it insults fans of Trigger. (And mind you, Trigger is one of the SNES greats.) -Dragon Quest: You're telling this to someone whose second RPG was DQ1 from Nintendo Power? (The first, for the record, was a Swordquest game.) And to someone who has played every DQ through 8, and who will be getting 9 and 10 upon US release? Not to mention... where do you think DQ5 and DQ6 started? -Xenogears: Eh, I started this game, but it didn't really hold my interest. I might go back, but there's just too many other games backlogged. -Valkyrie Profile: Backlogged. -Wild Arms: Almost finished 1 (going to college delayed me), 2-5 + Alter Code F backlogged. -Vagrant Story: Another game that really isn't interesting me, based on what I've seen of the mechanics. Now, reread my original post. I did say that there were some good games post the SNES days. But as an average, a typical RPG wasn't as good after the SNES. The PS2 got some kickass ones, mostly from Atlus, but also brought the crap known as the Final Fantasy series. It also introduced episodic RPGs at a price a tad too high. (FF4:TAY got it right, .Hack didn't.) But, finding a bad RPG on the SNES was actually a chore. I'd have to stop and think if I could find one...

Well, you also need to look at your own post and understand that 'opinion' and 'fact' are two different things.  And as I've already said, the SNES had some of the best JRPGs out there.  But there was still plenty of great JRPGs following the SNES.  I can't account for the fact that you think half of them are crap, but that's your opinion.

And just speaking out to your major points, I'm a huge fan of Chrono Trigger (one of my 5 favorite RPGs) and I still think Chrono Cross was fantastic and one of the three best RPGs on the PSX.  Just because a sequel isn't the same exact thing doesn't make it crap.  Likewise, I consider Final Fantasy VIII to be the best game in the series to this day, in large part because it tried to be different and focus on a lot of character customization and a character focused story.  The exact opposite of most Final Fantasy games.  Which I understand is a major negative to many FF fans, but a major plus for me.

dunno001 said: RageBot said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: dunno001 said: I personally never gave up SNES RPGs. I'm still buying them, still playing them. For me personally, it was the pinnacle of RPGs. Sure, there are some good ones from PS1 and onward, but the overall quality wasn't as high. Oh, and dtewi, yes, I would take FF1 over the current gen RPGs. I'd also take FF1 over any of the PS1 or later FF games. Someone needs to play Suikoden I-III, Paper Mario/Thousand Year Door, Final Fantasy VIII, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross and well, any Dragon Quest ever made. Yeah, Suikoden 1-3 are amazing as a trilogy, Cross is also incredible. I will personaly recommend Xenogears, Valkyrie Profile, Wild Arms 1 and 3 and Vagrant Story. Except that you both have the same flaw: spanning multiple systems, hell, even multiple eras. As for the ones you both mention: -Suikoden: finished 1, 2-5 + Tactics are backlogged. -Paper Mario series: Backlogged on VC and disks. -FF8: Complete and total crap. I played too much of it for my tastes. I'd rather be stuck playing FPS games than this. (And I'm not an FPS fan.) -Legend of Mana: Backlogged, though with little interest. -Chrono Cross: More crap, and it insults fans of Trigger. (And mind you, Trigger is one of the SNES greats.) -Dragon Quest: You're telling this to someone whose second RPG was DQ1 from Nintendo Power? (The first, for the record, was a Swordquest game.) And to someone who has played every DQ through 8, and who will be getting 9 and 10 upon US release? Not to mention... where do you think DQ5 and DQ6 started? -Xenogears: Eh, I started this game, but it didn't really hold my interest. I might go back, but there's just too many other games backlogged. -Valkyrie Profile: Backlogged. -Wild Arms: Almost finished 1 (going to college delayed me), 2-5 + Alter Code F backlogged. -Vagrant Story: Another game that really isn't interesting me, based on what I've seen of the mechanics. Now, reread my original post. I did say that there were some good games post the SNES days. But as an average, a typical RPG wasn't as good after the SNES. The PS2 got some kickass ones, mostly from Atlus, but also brought the crap known as the Final Fantasy series. It also introduced episodic RPGs at a price a tad too high. (FF4:TAY got it right, .Hack didn't.) But, finding a bad RPG on the SNES was actually a chore. I'd have to stop and think if I could find one...

obviously it's your opinion, but I basically think opposite about everything you listed. I found chrono chross better than trigger Granted I played Cross first then chrono trigger, but this is only my opinion. Your opinion is RPG were good during SNES Days. My opinion is they are no better than the RPG's in PSone era or ps2 era, but there is not fact either way. But I played SNES after I played PSone. So you have nostalgia with snes and I have nostalgia with psone. and two, and probably 3