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There have been a good number of disappointments but there have also been some really fun jRPGs out there this gen. Resonance of Fate is a recent example that's alot of fun. Persona 4 released not long after Valkyria Chronicles and that's an amazing jRPG. Disgaea 3 was also great. Good console jRPGs are out there, you just have to wade through a good amount of mediocre, which to my recollection is how it has always been.



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dunno001 said:
I personally never gave up SNES RPGs. I'm still buying them, still playing them. For me personally, it was the pinnacle of RPGs. Sure, there are some good ones from PS1 and onward, but the overall quality wasn't as high.

Oh, and dtewi, yes, I would take FF1 over the current gen RPGs. I'd also take FF1 over any of the PS1 or later FF games.

Someone needs to play Suikoden I-III, Paper Mario/Thousand Year Door, Final Fantasy VIII, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross and well, any Dragon Quest ever made.



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Lost Odyssey was pretty good as a Final Fantasy game.



Kenryoku_Maxis said:
dunno001 said:
I personally never gave up SNES RPGs. I'm still buying them, still playing them. For me personally, it was the pinnacle of RPGs. Sure, there are some good ones from PS1 and onward, but the overall quality wasn't as high.

Oh, and dtewi, yes, I would take FF1 over the current gen RPGs. I'd also take FF1 over any of the PS1 or later FF games.

Someone needs to play Suikoden I-III, Paper Mario/Thousand Year Door, Final Fantasy VIII, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross and well, any Dragon Quest ever made.

Yeah, Suikoden 1-3 are amazing as a trilogy, Cross is also incredible.

I will personaly recommend Xenogears, Valkyrie Profile, Wild Arms 1 and 3 and Vagrant Story.



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do you think media and fans are killing jrpg's?

some problems that i have noticed are:

1. Media don't know what they want. They got traditional jrpg in the form of lost oddessy, critics hated it, gamers didn't buy much of it. They get other traditional jrpg's like star ocean 4, everyone seems to hate it. Then they get ff4 and ff3 remake on ds and everyone loves it when lost oddessy was really not completely different in style.

on the other hand critics take points from ffxiii because its not like traditional ff, then why did critics take points away from lost oddessy for being like a traditional ff? what do the media want from jrpg's now?

The medis was unfair towards lost oddesy

2. jrpg gamers. They are a big force on the internet clearly and seem to hate every console rpg made nowadays. a group hated lost oddessy for being traditional, lots loved it, but then why did it only sell 800K? if it had such a good word of mouth in real life then it wud have sold more.

Then most loved tales of vesperia on the net, but it sold poorly

Then most disliked so4 on the net and it sold similar to tales of vesperia. But so4 isn't that hated if you look at user reviews. But on the net it was fried by haters and eaten, so much uncalled for hate was present.

Then comes white knight chronicles which critics destroyed, but users liked apparently. But the question needs to be asked, did wkc get the "underdog treatment" because it got low scores, because after playing it i can't believe so4 got much much much more hate than it on the net.

Then comes ffxiii which a lot of people say is being hated, but user reviews on every website I go to are very high (9.5 on vgchartz), excellent amazon reviews, high user reviews on IGN, gamespot, gametrailers, there was a table someone showed a while back of ratings people gave to it on this site, most were 9+ . So why are jrpg players pretending its being massively hated on?
But ffxiii has sold well.

So jrpg players are a problem too, most of them go on the internet now hating every new jrpg and spreading things like "everyone hates _ _ _", . Then they say how " _ _ _ is the best jrpg", yet that jrpg didn't sell much, now if it was so amazing word of mouth should have carried it (like valkyria chronicles which for a srpg did well).

Its just confusing to see what jrpg players want, all of them seem to be saying something different, the one half seem to be spreading hate propoganda against some jrpg. Then they go back to snes classics, maybe its a case of nostalgia goggles, maybe they honestly think there is a quality difference. The other half seem to be making handheld rpg's their saviours or hoping for remakes of old jrpg's.

Hoping for remakes of old games isn't going to move a genre forward!

The genre is already niche, the jrpg gamers are killing it because they don't know what they want.

3. wrpg's. they have risen on consoles

they are some thoughts i found on neogaf and on other web sites.

Lost oddessy is the big victim here.



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I can't say you can classify FF vs 13 as a jrpg, but i say it will make up for the lack of them. Nomura as director (although it scares the hell out of me) he can do this just as long as he completes the story, as much as i love the kingdom hearts series, if it ended after the first game nomura wouldnt get as much crap as he does. Plus with shimomura composing this game, it's going to shine.



the only thing this gen has over the SNES is PC type RPGs like fallout/dragon age....

but for any thing that is Jrpg, well... SNES is still a gen where you can pick up an RPG just by looking at the boxart and tell yourself: "the art looks nice, they must have put effort into the game"

now in the HD era it's "the art is nice... they must have put all the budget in graphics"... sadly.



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I think part of it is that there just aren't as many console JRPGs as there were in previous generations. We're 4 or 5 years into this generation, depending on your console, and the JRPG pickings have been slim, and for the most part, mediocre. There just really isn't a lot to choose from.

There hasn't been a SMT game on this generation of consoles, but there are like 7 games in the SMT line for the PS2.

Square Enix probably released something like 30 JRPGs on the PS2, but have released like 5 this generation in 5 years.

Level 5 has released one JRPG this generation, and released 4 on the PS2.

There were 5 Tales games on the PS2, and 3 released this generation in 5 years.

I'm sure that if you look at other JRPG developers, you'd see similar stories. I'm not all that familiar with JRPGs and JRPG developers, so maybe someone else can add.

At these rates, this generation will have to last 15+ years to develop the same kind of JRPG library that the previous generation had.



I feel in a similar way to the OP.

On consoles FFXIII has been the only one that has amazed me & I'm sure Lost Oddessy would have too. But thats just 2.

We are 4 damned years into this generation and 1 JRPG has amazed me & I am assuming lost oddessy would have.

The rest have been on DS and 2 AMAZED me on it, that being Dragon Quest V & FF14 Remake -- remakes

So in my top 5 JRPG of this gen (I don't count VC as a jrpg):

1. FFXIII
2. DQV Remake
3. FF4 Remake
4. TWEWY
5. SO4 (of what I have played)

So out of the 5 when 2 are remakes it pretty telling how dire the situation is this gen. 

The top 3 make up for the bad quality on the other cus both FF13 & FF4 are amongst my top FF's of all time & DQV was better than FF12, 8, 7, 9 for me which is astonishing as I expected nothing from it.

But again 2 of those are remakes of 20 year old games

There have been good ones though -- Shin megami tensei DS games, mario & luigi ...... again all on DS.

I blame the console market in japan.

EDIT: To be fair those remakes were the first time I played those games. But technically they weren't brand new products.

EDIT 2: oh and I'm not one of those who suddenly moved to WRPG cus they have all pretty much been mediocre barring the legendary & epic Elder Scrolls IV : Oblivion!



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