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ElGranCabeza on 09 April 2010
hasanwhy said:
From my experience of giving a opinion to friends and family on which console to get, here is my take. Go out and choose the console that fits you the best. If you have big hands and like the game library on the 360, then by all means go for the 360. If you like blu-ray movies, 3D support, and the gaming library for the PS3, then go after the PS3. It all really does just fall down to opinion. By the way, since your a lawyer; wouldn't that mean that you have enough money for both consoles?

I tell people to take a second and look at the exclusive games and see what they like best, everything else is subjective,  you can get good HD movies on the 360, some folks like the PS3 controller better, it all comes down to the games you want.



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flowjo on 09 April 2010
Luney Tune said:

If you don't care about Blu-ray movies, then get a 360.

It's library of fighting games and JRPG's is *way* better than what the PS3 offers.  In fact when it comes to JRPG's the PS3 is (currently) one of  the worst consoles I've ever owned. The PS3 does have the superior version of FF13, but that's pretty much all it has. The rest of it's JRPG library is mostly made up of ultra low budget niche titles. If you're looking for a traditional JRPG with decent production values that is exclusive to the PS3, then you can choose from exactly zero titles (!). And that is after nearly four years on the market ! And all I see on the horizon is yet more low budget niche titles. The 360 isn't all that great either for JRPG's but it does have a small handful of decent quality titles, which is a hell of alot more than what the PS3 currently offers.

The 360 fighting game library is again much better than the PS3 library. The 360 has exclusives like Dead Or Alive 4 and Samurai Shodown Sen, a *much* better version of Virtua Fighter 5 (online play, better graphics, "C" revision with better character balance) and the (slightly) superior version of most of the multi platform titles. The 360 also come with a hardware video upscaler that can significantly reduce input lag on many 1080p displays (crucial for fighing games). The 360 game pad is crap, but that's true for the PS3 pad as well. No true fan of fighting games would be happy with either pad. That's why there's plenty of third party fighting gamepads and arcade sticks available for both systems.

You can read more about the PS3 1080p lag problem here: The New Definitive HDTV Lag FAQ and here: Games & input lag.

And Demon's Souls is pretty much the antithesis of a JRPG. It's a dark lonely depressing WRPG with frustrating trial and error gameplay that involves memorizing billions of cheap instant death traps. It's not all that difficult (most of the bosses can be killed from a safe spot using ranged attacks), just cheap and depressing. I hated it.

valkyria chronicles is awesome and you cant find ff7 or ff8 and soon ff9 on 360 or grandia , plus there is lots of jrpg stuff headed from japan on ps3 that you cant get on 360 again, plus all the 360 versions of jrpgs with added content and fixed issues.

dualshock is better for fighting games hands down and all the major fighting games are multiplat and there is no graphical superiority on either side or performance. ps3 currently has more titles in native 1080p than 360 does fact.

demons souls has done to rpg as half-life has done to shooters , demons souls is my number 1 game/rpg of this gen , its not or everyone but the real gamers appreciate it more than anything available right now , innovative online , challenging , amazing atmosphere and competely epic bosses also it has elements of addiction almost on a level of something like wow , best game this gen hands down.

i really didnt agree with anything you said and i cant cause i own a 360 and i dont see how you can say these things if you actually owned a ps3



gamelover2000 on 09 April 2010

if you do get a PS3 here are my top 5 exclusives

Uncharted 2
GOW collection
GOW3
MW2/BFBC2 (either of these is great)
and MGS4/Heavy Rain



Currently playing: MAG, Heavy Rain, Infamous

 

Getting Plat trophies for: Heavy Rain, Infamous, RE5,  Burnout and GOW collection once I get it.

 

Lafiel on 09 April 2010
leo-j said:

 the cutscenes on playstation 3 are not comparessed and in full 1080p HD.

of course they are compressed - uncompressed video data is terra bytes in size

a single 1080p bmp (uncompressed) is 5.93MB and an "uncompressed" 30minutes 1080p60 video has 30minutes x 60 seconds/minute x 60 frames(pictures)/second x 5.93 MB/frame = 640,440 MB = 625.42 GB

and FF13 has well more than half an hour of 1080p60 video



Alic0004 on 09 April 2010

Alright, going to try to offer some data here... hopefully the thread doesn't explode.


The number of Japanese RPGs is actually pretty close between the 360 and the PS3, though keep in mind two of the better Japanese RPGs for the PS3 are strategy RPGs, meaning the games play out more like Final Fantasy Tactics, Shining Force, or Fire Emblem than they do a traditional JRPG -- the emphasis is on a large cast of charaters and large scale battles.


Xbox 360:

Resonance of Fate
Final Fantasy XIII
The Last Remnant (An underrated game!)
Infinite Undiscovery
Tales Of Vesperia (Great game, especially if you like anime inspired graphics and story! Also has four player local coop for battles! Not when you're exploring, though.)
Lost Odyssey
Blue Dragon
Magna Carta 2
Star Ocean 4
Eternal Sonata


PS3:


Resonance of Fate
Final Fantasy XIII
Disgaea 3
White Knight Chronicles (Another underrated game. If you want to try a traditional JRPG with online coop, this is probably the first game ever to offer it. Be warned: The story is pretty cheesy.)
Folklore
Demon's Souls (If you count it as a JRPG. It's more like 3D Zelda meets Diablo in a medieval Japanese survival-horror... or something.)
The Last Rebellion (Horrible game, from what I've heard...)
Valkyria Chronicles
Star Ocean 4 International Edition (has some extras, like more party members, that the 360 version didn't get.)
Eternal Sonata (Also has extras that the 360 version didn't get. Two other characters, more story, I think?)

 

 

Hope this list is a force of good, and not evil, in helping you decide the current standing of the consoles and their JRPGs.  :)



 

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Luney Tune on 09 April 2010
ElGranCabeza said:

Actually no, most of what you wrote is opinion, you do have a couple of facts there. The only facts you have there is that VF5 is better than the PS3 online - considering the PS3 version is not even online that's a given, that DOA4 is an exclusive game, albeit a very bad one IMHO. While most multiplat are indeed better on 360, that's not actually the case with the fighting games as they're pretty much equal across all platforms. Your assumption that any JRPG fan that loves DS = PS3 fanboy is ludcirous at best, especially considering DS is one of the highest praised games this generation, getting numerous awards, winning RPG of the year from certain places last year and even getting Gamespot 2009 overall Game of the Year. Your description of bosses is also very poor, no offense, and I don't blame you for not remembering, since you hated the game.


Samurai Shodown Sen is a 360 exclusive: FACT.

Multiplatform fighting games are for the most part a little better on the 360. FACT. According to Eurogamer/Digital Foundry Street Fighter IV is superior on the 360, Soul Calibur IV is marginally better, while Tekken 6 is considered equal on both systems. According to Lens of Truth, Street Fighter IV and Tekken 6 are both slightly better on the 360 (although 360 Tekken 6 won because of faster load times from disc, which is a stupid argument as both games offer a HD install option). BlazBlue is considered equal on both systems. I wasn't able to find a single fighting game that was considered superior on the PS3 on either site.

   http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/face-off-street-fighter-iv-article

   http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-360-vs-ps3-face-off-round-14-article?page=2

   http://www.lensoftruth.com/?p=4042

   http://www.lensoftruth.com/?p=15929

The 360 hardware scaler can considerably reduce input lag in fighting games. FACT.

I wasn't describing the bosses in Demon's Souls, I was describing how I killed them with little effort. And you can indeed kill all the smaller stingrays (or whatever the hell they're called) safely from within (not behind) the house if you're patient. It's actually a great farming spot for souls if I remember correctly.

And I *never* claimed that "JRPG fan that loves DS = PS3 fanboy". You're twisting my words. And the fact that Demon's Souls is a widely praised game doesn't mean unbiased JRPG lovers in general will like it.



ElGranCabeza on 09 April 2010
Luney Tune said:
ElGranCabeza said:

Actually no, most of what you wrote is opinion, you do have a couple of facts there. The only facts you have there is that VF5 is better than the PS3 online - considering the PS3 version is not even online that's a given, that DOA4 is an exclusive game, albeit a very bad one IMHO. While most multiplat are indeed better on 360, that's not actually the case with the fighting games as they're pretty much equal across all platforms. Your assumption that any JRPG fan that loves DS = PS3 fanboy is ludcirous at best, especially considering DS is one of the highest praised games this generation, getting numerous awards, winning RPG of the year from certain places last year and even getting Gamespot 2009 overall Game of the Year. Your description of bosses is also very poor, no offense, and I don't blame you for not remembering, since you hated the game.


Samurai Shodown Sen is a 360 exclusive: FACT.

Multiplatform fighting games are for the most part a little better on the 360. FACT. According to Eurogamer/Digital Foundry Street Fighter IV is superior on the 360, Soul Calibur IV is marginally better, while Tekken 6 is considered equal on both systems. According to Lens of Truth, Street Fighter IV and Tekken 6 are both slightly better on the 360 (although 360 Tekken 6 won because of faster load times from disc, which is a stupid argument as both games offer a HD install option). BlazBlue is considered equal on both systems. I wasn't able to find a single fighting game that was considered superior on the PS3 on either site.

   http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/face-off-street-fighter-iv-article

   http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-360-vs-ps3-face-off-round-14-article?page=2

   http://www.lensoftruth.com/?p=4042

   http://www.lensoftruth.com/?p=15929

The 360 hardware scaler can considerably reduce input lag in fighting games. FACT.

I wasn't describing the bosses in Demon's Souls, I was describing how I killed them with little effort. And you can indeed kill all the smaller stingrays (or whatever the hell they're called) safely from within (not behind) the house if you're patient. It's actually a great farming spot for souls if I remember correctly.

And I *never* claimed that "JRPG fan that loves DS = PS3 fanboy". You're twisting my words. And the fact that Demon's Souls is a widely praised game doesn't mean unbiased JRPG lovers in general will like it.

Yeah I missed that Samurai Shodown Sen, it's not hard to miss a game with a 49 metacritic though.....

Not a fact:

Street Fighter IV metacritic - PS3=94 360=93

Tekken 6 metacritic - PS3=79 360=80

Soul Calibur IV metacritic - PS3=85 360=85

BlazBlue metacritic - PS3=88 360=87


Those are the significant fighting games this generation unless I missed any, about the same score!

I'm not a technical guy but the "lag", or lack thereof, I "get" from my 360 is the same as I "get" from my PS3. You might be right, you might be wrong though, I don't know, but if it makes you sleep better at night I'll give you that and say I missed that "fact" too.

You must be the most patient man in the world then, but either way I can make any game sound boring and horrible as well. And I didn't twist your words, that's what you said! Unbiased JRPG fans might love Demon's Souls as well, so you're just saying that any JRPG fan that liked Demon's Souls is automatically biased.


Anyways I'm completely done with this topic, I'm not one to keep debating stuff on the internet. I thought you'd agree to disagree, I guess not, either way, reply and feel happy that you "won" our "argument".



scottie on 09 April 2010
Sensei said:

Hi everyone,

I took a long break from gaming due to studies (and partially due to lack of interest). Now that I can plan on having more spare time I am willing to buy a new console but I am definitely lost - the videogame stuff changes a lot really.

My 'peak' gaming happened during the 32-bit era, with both PlayStation and Saturn. Much later, I also got a Dreamcast and a PlayStation2 but  played very little... and quit.

Now I am willing to return to gaming but Sega is out of league, and Sony seems to be lagging behind in sales - even though the PlayStation3 seems to have a good game library, what is happening? How come the Wii is the leader, with few 'major' games on it? The X-Box 360 seems pretty strong/interesting compared to the PS3, though. Crazy times, anyway.

My favorite series are fighting (Virtua Fighter, Tekken, Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive) and RPG (Final Fantasy, Shining Force, any JRPG really), don't like sports, shooting, racing, or platform/action games and have no interest in handhelds either.

Also consider I am an 'old' guy, 27 y/o.

Based on this info would you still recommend me a PlayStation3? Or even an X-Box 360? Help is wanted to decide based on exclusive RPG/fighting games each console has - not very worried about price.  I know I might get biased replies due to being in the PS3 room but I found no other place to post. Please be honest guys I'm just a n00b here - sorry my english isn't too good.

Congrats on finishing your studies! What were you studying?

The Wii is the leader, not despite the lack of 'major games' but because of how many major games it has. The Wii has opened up gaming to an extremely large audience, and the major games are no longer things like GTA (not that its a niche game either though)

 

I know you say you have no interest in handhelds, but the DS is where 90% of this generation's JRPGs are. Tough choice. As for which home conole is best for JRPGs, PS3 has final fantsy, Wii is getting Dragon Quest, 360 had a few exclusives but they've mostly gone to the PS3 too now. Fighting games of that description you can get on either the PS3 or 360.



jedians on 09 April 2010
gamelover2000 said:
if you do get a PS3 here are my top 5 exclusives

Uncharted 2
GOW collection
GOW3
MW2/BFBC2 (either of these is great)
and MGS4/Heavy Rain


i think you have not read his thread completely he dont like Shooter,Action Adventure games.just he like to play RPG'S & FIGHTING gamesthen y u recommending these games list him some good games as per his requirement



Luney Tune on 09 April 2010
ElGranCabeza said:

Yeah I missed that Samurai Shodown Sen, it's not hard to miss a game with a 49 metacritic though.....

Not a fact:

Street Fighter IV metacritic - PS3=94 360=93

I'm not a technical guy but the "lag", or lack thereof, I "get" from my 360 is the same as I "get" from my PS3. You might be right, you might be wrong though, I don't know, but if it makes you sleep better at night I'll give you that and say I missed that "fact" too.

You must be the most patient man in the world then, but either way I can make any game sound boring and horrible as well. And I didn't twist your words, that's what you said! Unbiased JRPG fans might love Demon's Souls as well, so you're just saying that any JRPG fan that liked Demon's Souls is automatically biased.

Anyways I'm completely done with this topic, I'm not one to keep debating stuff on the internet. I thought you'd agree to disagree, I guess not, either way, reply and feel happy that you "won" our "argument".

While Samurai Shodown Sen may indeed be crap, it's actually a pretty legendary series among ultra hardcore fighting game fanatics.

As for metacritic, you can't compare scores that way. The fact that PS3 reviewers are in general more fond of fighting games than 360 reviewers, and thus more likely to award them high ratings (or just more forgiving in general), does not mean the PS3 version is better. If you're going to do a Metacritic comparison you should *only* count scores from reviewers who reviewed *both* versions of the game. And if you do you'll find that the 360 versions does indeed score higher.

As for input lag on 1080p screens with PS3 games that doesn't support 1080p upscaling, I provided two links for those who want to know more about this surprisingly underreported and often ignored problem. Read them.

Of course you can make any game sound boring and horrible. Why would you describe a game you hate in a way that makes it sound interesting ?  I already said that what I wrote about Demon's Souls is purely an opinion, and that it's OK to disagree. Hell, I even called it a great game for people who like that type of game. And I said many JRPG fans who love Demon's Souls love it purely because of fanboyism, I did NOT say this applied to everyone. And I base that assumption on the fact that Demon's Souls is so radically different from the typical JRPG in ways that JRPG fans tend to dislike. It's essentially a dark WRPG with no story, little character interaction, and extremely punishing gameplay. Does that sound like something the average Tales/Star Ocean/FF fan would like ?

I'm not trying to "win" any argument here. I'm trying to help the TC make an informed buying decision.