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Rainbird on 09 April 2010

Nothing right now, it's too early. I try not to be an early adopter, the only recent exception being my HDTV (which wasn't even all that early). And I will never be an early adopter of an Apple product, just look what happened with the later iPhone and iPod Touch upgrades, I know I'd be pissed if I had bought an early one.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the market will evolve though, I hope Android will be expanded to tablets in a meaningful way soon!



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mirgro on 09 April 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
mirgro said:

What % of people who bought the new Macbooks, I guess they aren't so new at this point in time, actually bought it to travel around with? 17" is still a large area, so they are not your compact netbooks. I also know they come in larger sizes, nixing the portability argument even further. I have a 21", or maybe 22" Windows laptop, and not once have I ever wished it was thinner or lighter. I have always wished that it was smaller by area, or had better battery because after over 3 years it's down to about 50 minutes and I'm too lazy to get a new one. The macbooks address only one main issue of this notebook, which was also cheaper than comparably specced macbooks from its time. If you try to tell me that the macbooks back then sold as much as they did solely because of their portability, before the recent redesign, then I would call you a bullshitter. They sold because of a symbol. I feel like this paragraph is unreadable, but it's way late here sorry.

That also doesn't explain the tower PCs they manage to sell all over the place. They are still priced highly over similarly specced machines not sold by Apple and their ebenfits are even more marginal.

Well for you, a MacBook is not a good fit. That doesn't mean they aren't good computers for people who need them. Calling them shit because you don't need there specs is well... odd.

Back to the motorcycle analogy. I am sure there are people who own bikes that will go 180 mph who never plan do go that fast. It doesn't make the bike shit, or the company who produced it shit, just because someone wanted something with those abilities, who will never use them.

Same with the Mac Book. There are people who bought way more Laptop then they needed, because they wanted the best. It makes it a stupid purchase on there part, but not a shit laptop.

As for there desktop towers... they don't make desktop towers. They make workstations. They will hold 32 Gig of ram, 8 core Xeon CPU's, 8TB of drives, 4 video cards, (driving up to 8 30" dual link DVI displays).

The starting price for that is $2,500. You spec out the same computer from Dell or HP, and you are going to be paying the same.

if you want something like a nice gaming PC, Apple does not make a product for that market. They have either the consumer level iMacs, or the workstation class towers.

I think this is the biggest area that causes people to not understand Apple. People think of computers as things like Dell Desktops, enthusiast gaming PC's, and 500 laptops. If those are what you want (or all you need), Apple makes nothing for you.

For example, if you need a car that gets great gas milage, Ferrari cars will pale in comparison to Honda. It doesn't make Ferrari a shit car, or a shit car company because they have nothing in that market space. 

And I am sure if you went to Steve Jobs and said "I want the best gaming PC", he would say "I'm Steve Jobs. I think you want to talk to Michael Dell. he has what your looking for".

 

I see what you are saying and I like your car analogy. However this is where I get stuck. Copyright laws aside of course.

Using the car analogy, you have something along the lines of a self-built Ferrari to Apple's Honda for the same price. I mean yes, the Honda will be much better in conserving gas and may have more luxury features, like cup holders, than your Ferrari, but I would be hard pressed to think of a single person who would take the Honda over the Ferrari at the same price. Hell, make it one of those Lexuses that comes with things that park for you, and I'd still be hardpressed to find people to take Apple's car over the self made Ferrari.



TheRealMafoo on 09 April 2010
mirgro said:

I see what you are saying and I like your car analogy. However this is where I get stuck. Copyright laws aside of course.

Using the car analogy, you have something along the lines of a self-built Ferrari to Apple's Honda for the same price. I mean yes, the Honda will be much better in conserving gas and may have more luxury features, like cup holders, than your Ferrari, but I would be hard pressed to think of a single person who would take the Honda over the Ferrari at the same price. Hell, make it one of those Lexuses that comes with things that park for you, and I'd still be hardpressed to find people to take Apple's car over the self made Ferrari.

In my car analogy, the Mac Book Pro was the Ferrari, and almost every other laptop was the honda. 



mirgro on 09 April 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
mirgro said:

I see what you are saying and I like your car analogy. However this is where I get stuck. Copyright laws aside of course.

Using the car analogy, you have something along the lines of a self-built Ferrari to Apple's Honda for the same price. I mean yes, the Honda will be much better in conserving gas and may have more luxury features, like cup holders, than your Ferrari, but I would be hard pressed to think of a single person who would take the Honda over the Ferrari at the same price. Hell, make it one of those Lexuses that comes with things that park for you, and I'd still be hardpressed to find people to take Apple's car over the self made Ferrari.

In my car analogy, the Mac Book Pro was the Ferrari, and almost every other laptop was the honda. 

Considering you can build very powerful machines for the same amount of money you can buy an ok mac, I'd put the ferrari firmly in the non-mac corner and the one with all the random luxury items in the Apple corner.



TheRealMafoo on 09 April 2010
Rainbird said:
just look what happened with the later iPhone and iPod Touch upgrades, I know I'd be pissed if I had bought an early one.

Just F.Y.I. When the 3GS came out, I had owned a 3G for about a year.

Bing was giving away 30% if I bought a phone from AT&T, and I sold my 3G on eBay for a good amount of money.

So, in the end, I went from a 16 Gig 3G, to a 32 Gig 3GS, and made 50 bucks out of the deal.



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TheRealMafoo on 09 April 2010
mirgro said:
TheRealMafoo said:
mirgro said:

I see what you are saying and I like your car analogy. However this is where I get stuck. Copyright laws aside of course.

Using the car analogy, you have something along the lines of a self-built Ferrari to Apple's Honda for the same price. I mean yes, the Honda will be much better in conserving gas and may have more luxury features, like cup holders, than your Ferrari, but I would be hard pressed to think of a single person who would take the Honda over the Ferrari at the same price. Hell, make it one of those Lexuses that comes with things that park for you, and I'd still be hardpressed to find people to take Apple's car over the self made Ferrari.

In my car analogy, the Mac Book Pro was the Ferrari, and almost every other laptop was the honda. 

Considering you can build very powerful machines for the same amount of money you can buy an ok mac, I'd put the ferrari firmly in the non-mac corner and the one with all the random luxury items in the Apple corner.

For your "Apple fanboys just buying a name" argument, we are talking laptops. No one makes there own laptop.

 



mirgro on 09 April 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
mirgro said:
TheRealMafoo said:
mirgro said:

I see what you are saying and I like your car analogy. However this is where I get stuck. Copyright laws aside of course.

Using the car analogy, you have something along the lines of a self-built Ferrari to Apple's Honda for the same price. I mean yes, the Honda will be much better in conserving gas and may have more luxury features, like cup holders, than your Ferrari, but I would be hard pressed to think of a single person who would take the Honda over the Ferrari at the same price. Hell, make it one of those Lexuses that comes with things that park for you, and I'd still be hardpressed to find people to take Apple's car over the self made Ferrari.

In my car analogy, the Mac Book Pro was the Ferrari, and almost every other laptop was the honda. 

Considering you can build very powerful machines for the same amount of money you can buy an ok mac, I'd put the ferrari firmly in the non-mac corner and the one with all the random luxury items in the Apple corner.

For your "Apple fanboys just buying a name" argument, we are talking laptops. No one makes there own laptop.

 

Ah alright, however all that holds true still. I can buy a notebook of greater power than I can an Apple for the same price.



TheRealMafoo on 09 April 2010
mirgro said:
TheRealMafoo said:
mirgro said:
TheRealMafoo said:
mirgro said:

I see what you are saying and I like your car analogy. However this is where I get stuck. Copyright laws aside of course.

Using the car analogy, you have something along the lines of a self-built Ferrari to Apple's Honda for the same price. I mean yes, the Honda will be much better in conserving gas and may have more luxury features, like cup holders, than your Ferrari, but I would be hard pressed to think of a single person who would take the Honda over the Ferrari at the same price. Hell, make it one of those Lexuses that comes with things that park for you, and I'd still be hardpressed to find people to take Apple's car over the self made Ferrari.

In my car analogy, the Mac Book Pro was the Ferrari, and almost every other laptop was the honda. 

Considering you can build very powerful machines for the same amount of money you can buy an ok mac, I'd put the ferrari firmly in the non-mac corner and the one with all the random luxury items in the Apple corner.

For your "Apple fanboys just buying a name" argument, we are talking laptops. No one makes there own laptop.

 

Ah alright, however all that holds true still. I can buy a notebook of greater power than I can an Apple for the same price.

If that's the only definition of a good laptop, then you're right. For millions of people, that's not the only definition.

back to the car analogy. I can buy a Dodge Viper that does about 200 mph. This is faster then some Ferrari's, and a lot cheeper. It doesn't make the Dodge a better car.

If I was going to buy a laptop today, it would not be a Mac Book Pro, but that's because what makes it great, I don't need anymore. When I bought the one I am typing this on, it was 4 years ago. Back then, I travled every week. I needed a webcam (most laptops 4 years ago didn't have them), I needed a back light keyboard, I wanted something rugged, light weight for its size, and had long enough battery life so I could work on a 3 hour flight. Being I am a .Net Developer, I need a lot of screen. the 1650x1050 screen on this was very hard to find 4 years ago. The closest laptop to this one, was a Dell that failed on every level compared, and cost $300 more.

If that was still my lifestyle, there is no equal to the Mac Book Pro. I would buy another one in a second.

Now it just sits on my kitchen counter, as I rarely fly. So, less need for what makes this great. I most likely would replace this with an HP or something, as it never goes anywhere, and the HP's are half the cost.

However, thanks to how great this laptop is, I am still probably 3 yours out before I replace it. And, if I sold it today, I would get about $1,000 for it. I wonder what the Dell that cost $300 more sells for today? ;)