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Seece on 04 April 2010

Didn't expect this to turn into a civil war lol



 

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wholikeswood on 04 April 2010
CGI-Quality said:
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I saw this article and thought: I'm not touching it with a 100 ft pole.

He'd better lay off the Wii as it will continue to demolish his and Sony's precious babies at retail.

How Wii hardware is performing has absolutely nothing to do with what Greenberg was talking about (3rd party publisher success with the console).

I'm well aware of that, and it doesn't matter. I said nothing wrong. Why not ACTUALLY contribute to the conversation?

And why the Hell do you always stalk my posts?

You entered a thread about Wii 3rd party software, made an entirely irrelevant and gratuitous point about Wii hardware, and you're criticising my contribution?

Irony really is a wonderful thing.

Why are you so annoyed by it? He made a bold statement, yet ironically his console is being destroyed by the console he's speaking down about. Doesn't matter what he says, I acknowledge that.

Something tells me had I not added Sony in there, you wouldn't have bothered quoting me. You only stalk my posts when I say something against Sony.

It *would* be ironic if he were talking down about the Wii. But he's not; he's talking about Wii 3rd party software. You're trying to bring it all into the same bracket in order to make your first post seem relevant, but the truth is your first post wasn't pertinent and over-simplifying the situation (i.e. acting like a criticism of 3rd party software is the same as a criticism of the Wii console itself) won't change that.

And shame on you for taking the cheap option and trying to discredit me with the fanboy ad hominem, CGI; I thought you were better than that. You made an obviously off-topic and unnecessary point in defence of the Wii (no doubt to remind people how non-partisan you are, as equally pro-Wii as pro-PS3 and pro-360, etc, etc, etc), so I picked you up on it.

Is that so? Why are you the only one so hell-bent on finding a conspiracy here?

The first post was simple. IF the 3rd party support he speaks of is so important, and the Wii is "struggling", why is his console not taking it out? If you're going to make a claim like that, you need to show how it's worked in your favor, otherwise it is known as "PR bullshit" on the internet. Rather than going there, I made my post quite simple: A system with "struggling" 3rd Party support doesn't seem to be in any significant trouble because of it. My example: it's competitors aren't any closer to stopping it while it's continuing to "struggle".

Why is he saying something like this? Can you explain?

And, call it a cheap shot, whatever, but I am acknowledging a trend here. Recently, when something not favoring Sony comes from me, I've seen you on assault mode and it's annoying. Why'd you deliberatley ignore all of my other posts in here?

||| It's very frustrating when I ask you to stop blurring the line between the 'Wii' and the 'Wii's 3rd party' and then you continue to deliberately confuse the two by twice acting as though Greenberg said the 'Wii is struggling' when he explicitly said 'Wii 3rd party' is struggling. It's also embarrassing for you, because you make sloppy mistakes like contradicting yourself in the same paragraph - 'Wii is struggling' yet also 'Wii doesn't seem to be in any significant trouble'! Your rhetorical question as to why the 360 can't catch the "struggling" Wii is a completely disingenuous one too, because the Wii isn't struggling, but rather its 3rd party is. You're just being deceptive. You know you wouldn't have an argument if you were to phrase it honestly as "why can't the 360 catch a Wii that is neither struggling nor in any significant trouble?".

||| Greenberg has shown time and again (cf. just about any NPD reaction he's ever released) that the 360 has incredibly strong 3rd party software sales and as we've seen over the last 6-9 months developers have been reallocating resources by stepping away from the Wii somewhat and investing further in the HD consoles, and as a result we are seeing a greater level of 3rd party support and a greater stream of critically-acclaimed 3rd party titles for the 360 than even before. That is how a focus on 3rd party relations has worked in Microsoft's favour, and Greenberg has consistenly pointed towards this cooperation and how it has worked in Microsoft's favour.

||| There was absolutely no mention of Sony in my first post, nor has there been mention of them in any subsequent post from me in this thread. The reason? This was never about Sony. It was only ever about your wide-of-the-mark defence of the Wii on the first page. Your repeated attempts to marginalise my position in this thread by harassing me with conspiracy/Sony fanboy accusations are as transparent as they are unfounded. I advise you to debate properly with me because at the minute you're hurting your reputation, not mine; you're the only one bringing up Sony...

My goodness gracious...

Paragraph A. Do you not understand the quotations at all? They mean: quote/unquote , as in someone else's words. And yes, I make it known that I'm talking about the Wii's 3rd Party support.

I'm defending it because to me it looks like a cheap shot at the system. If Wii loses significant 3rd party support to his system, I'd be more understanding. But his claims that it's 3rd party support is "struggling" needs to be met with something concrete. How is it "struggling"? Where is it "struggling"? What 3rd Party company(s) have completely abandoned the console?

Paragraph B. Nothing wrong with him being happy about the 360's support from 3rd parties, but why was the mention of the Wii so important? He took a cheapshot at the system to try and propel his console (which I know, is his job). But don't expect people to be quiet about it.

Paragraph C. My reputation? lol.....Bud, I don't care what you think of me.

On this note, we have a stalemate. Just know my first post was implying that before he claims the system's 3rd Party support to be "struggling" (which would imply that it's in trouble), he should be mindful that a lot of that support has helped the system get to where it is today, and that's at the top.

||| Please don't patronise me; I understand how quotations work. You weren't clear that you were talking about 3rd party support - when you paraphrased Greenberg, you put words into his mouth (cf. "If the 3rd party support he speaks of is so important, and the Wii is "struggling") by suggesting that he was talking about the Wii and not the Wii's 3rd party support.

And what do you mean "where is 3rd party support struggling"? Sales, duhh. Significant titles like The Conduit, No More Heroes and Madworld all failed to break even half a million copies on a 70mil install base. And no one is suggesting that 3rd parties are completely abandoning the Wii. It's just undeniable that right now the industry is experiencing a shift in attitudes and priorities with regard to the Wii, as characterised chiefly by Ubisoft who, despite having some casual success with Just Dance, are nevertheless "steering away" from the Wii and refocusing on the HD twins.

||| It's not a cheap shot! Ask any intelligent Nintendo fan on this site and they'll agree with Greenberg's comment - Wii's 3rd party support, both in effort and sales terms, stinks.

||| I know you don't care what I think of you (if you did, you wouldn't have treated me so churlishly in this thread). I was more referring to the fact that instead of setting an example to newer members, you chose to sling insults/accusations my way. That's all.

I'm happy to leave it there, if I understand your "stalemate" as you intended it. Equally, I'm happy to go on all night... :P



Porcupine_I on 04 April 2010

if the WII is doing THAT horrible, then why are Microsoft aiming for their Market?



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- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Porcupine_I on 04 April 2010
CGI-Quality said:
Porcupine_I said:
if the WII is doing THAT horrible, then why are Microsoft aiming for their Market?

Well, if you're intelligent, you won't argue with Greenburg's logic

On a serious note, I agree.

Oh, i enjoy PR-speak in all its twisty sneakiness



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

theRepublic on 04 April 2010
Legend11 said:
He's basically saying the same thing we've heard many times from third parties. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, and others simply aren't seeing the sales they should be seeing on the Wii considering its marketshare.

At the end of the day it's better for third parties to have Microsoft dominant over both Nintendo and Sony since it takes a smaller share of total game sales when compared to the other two. Nintendo sees third parties as direct competitors while Sony has made it obvious they're working on building first parties at the expense of third parties (reduction in moneyhats, etc).

Considering the games and marketing that third parties have put on the Wii, I would say they are seeing exactly the sales they should be.



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wholikeswood on 04 April 2010
Porcupine_I said:
if the WII is doing THAT horrible, then why are Microsoft aiming for their Market?

Same mistake as CGI made.

Greenberg never said the Wii is doing horribly. In fact, he said it's done "really well"; he merely said that 3rd party on the Wii is struggling (which is true).


Is no one reading the actual article? It's short! *bangs head against wall*



scat398 on 04 April 2010

Greenburg's comments on Wii third party support really aren't that bad. Third party developers would like to be doing better on the Wii. We have all seen the graph that shows Wii third part sales are below where they should be for their perecentage of market share. With that being said some success has been made lately.

I'm sure Greenburg's strategy here is to start the process of convincing 3rd party developers to focus on the 360 as the main platform for controlerless development. The agrument being that 360 owners by more games per console than any other console so focus your development here and you'll have better success.

I don't know if the argument is going to work, it really depends on how well natal does and if 360 owners by 3rd party games for it. If they do support from 3rd party developers will increase at the expense of the Wii.



Garnett on 04 April 2010
wholikeswood said:
Porcupine_I said:
if the WII is doing THAT horrible, then why are Microsoft aiming for their Market?

Same mistake as CGI made.

Greenberg never said the Wii is doing horribly. In fact, he said it's done "really well"; he merely said that 3rd party on the Wii is struggling (which is true).


Is no one reading the actual article? It's short! *bangs head against wall*

Someone with a PSN card in their sig and defending the 360... Nice, HD consoles owners unite!!!!

 

 

OT- Wholikeswood is right, he never said "The Wii sucsk LMAO 360 OWNS ALL", he was pointing out a flaw in the system. Its no different if Reggie  said "Xbox 360 is a good platform, its powerful and easy to dev for, but 50% of the launch consoles failing is unacceptable"

 

 



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Garnett on 04 April 2010
CGI-Quality said:
Garnett said:
wholikeswood said:
Porcupine_I said:
if the WII is doing THAT horrible, then why are Microsoft aiming for their Market?

Same mistake as CGI made.

Greenberg never said the Wii is doing horribly. In fact, he said it's done "really well"; he merely said that 3rd party on the Wii is struggling (which is true).


Is no one reading the actual article? It's short! *bangs head against wall*

OT- Wholikeswood is right, he never said "The Wii sucsk LMAO 360 OWNS ALL", he was pointing out a flaw in the system. Its no different if Reggie  said "Xbox 360 is a good platform, its powerful and easy to dev for, but 50% of the launch consoles failing is unacceptable"

And nobody said he said: "the Wii sucks, LMAO the 360 owns all". It's just that his comment is misleading.

Yea  but the people in this thread are on his head like he DID say that. 



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AbbathTheGrim on 04 April 2010
RolStoppable said:
Wagram said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
Ok Greenberg, now let us talk about first party.

They need more first party WITHOUT anything related to Mario in it.

But that would make Nintendo even mightier. Even without the games having anything related to Mario in them, their first party sells significantly more games than the competition.


Greenberg can't talk about first party, simple as that. XD That's why I said that. :P



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