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fighter on 03 April 2010
Legend11 said:
huaxiong90 said:
Legend11 said:
He's basically saying the same thing we've heard many times from third parties. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, and others simply aren't seeing the sales they should be seeing on the Wii considering its marketshare.

At the end of the day it's better for third parties to have Microsoft dominant over both Nintendo and Sony since it takes a smaller share of total game sales when compared to the other two. Nintendo sees third parties as direct competitors while Sony has made it obvious they're working on building first parties at the expense of third parties (reduction in moneyhats, etc).


Thanks for helping me prove my point.  Imagine what that chart would look like if the 360 was the one with an installed base of 69.56 million and the Wii had 39.06 million.

 

The potential for third party revenue is as high as can be, and considering Greenbergs' statement emphasizing reduced developing costs as well as strong support developpers should be really happy.

 

 



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Garnett on 03 April 2010
CGI-Quality said:
Legend11 said:
huaxiong90 said:
Legend11 said:
He's basically saying the same thing we've heard many times from third parties. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, and others simply aren't seeing the sales they should be seeing on the Wii considering its marketshare.

At the end of the day it's better for third parties to have Microsoft dominant over both Nintendo and Sony since it takes a smaller share of total game sales when compared to the other two. Nintendo sees third parties as direct competitors while Sony has made it obvious they're working on building first parties at the expense of third parties (reduction in moneyhats, etc).


Thanks for helping me prove my point.  Imagine what that chart would look like if the 360 was the one with an installed base of 69.56 million and the Wii had 39.06 million.

"What ifs" are pointless though:

What if the PS3 started the gen @ $299? Would the 360 have as much 3rd party support as it currently does?

What if the Wii hadn't taken off in the first place? Would it be in the same position it is currently in?

What if the 360 had been the only console on the market for longer than a year? Would the PS3 and Wii have had even stronger launch line-ups to combat with?

Bottomline is, he spouts this stuff like the Wii is doing poorly. It may not have the same 3rd Party strength as the 360, but it's certainly not doing as bad as he's implying.

I agree sorta.

 

The graph says that 360 fans buy as almost the same amount of games as Wii fans do, and the Wii has double the sales the 360 does.

Does this mean that most Wii owners put the Wii away after a few weeks after use? I just asking questions. 

 

 



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SaviorX on 03 April 2010
Garnett said:
CGI-Quality said:
Legend11 said:
huaxiong90 said:
Legend11 said:
He's basically saying the same thing we've heard many times from third parties. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, and others simply aren't seeing the sales they should be seeing on the Wii considering its marketshare.

At the end of the day it's better for third parties to have Microsoft dominant over both Nintendo and Sony since it takes a smaller share of total game sales when compared to the other two. Nintendo sees third parties as direct competitors while Sony has made it obvious they're working on building first parties at the expense of third parties (reduction in moneyhats, etc).


Thanks for helping me prove my point.  Imagine what that chart would look like if the 360 was the one with an installed base of 69.56 million and the Wii had 39.06 million.

"What ifs" are pointless though:

What if the PS3 started the gen @ $299? Would the 360 have as much 3rd party support as it currently does?

What if the Wii hadn't taken off in the first place? Would it be in the same position it is currently in?

What if the 360 had been the only console on the market for longer than a year? Would the PS3 and Wii have had even stronger launch line-ups to combat with?

Bottomline is, he spouts this stuff like the Wii is doing poorly. It may not have the same 3rd Party strength as the 360, but it's certainly not doing as bad as he's implying.

I agree sorta.

 

The graph says that 360 fans buy as almost the same amount of games as Wii fans do, and the Wii has double the sales the 360 does.

Does this mean that most Wii owners put the Wii away after a few weeks after use? I just asking questions.

 

The Wii has somehow managed to sell more software without dependence on any of the blockbuster franchises save for...1 (Monster Hunter 3)

The 360 literally has every big series out there.



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firebolt126 on 03 April 2010

This is my thought, so don't take it seriously.
I think while 3rd publishers overall are doing great, it is mainly due to certain titles that bring that average up. Carnival games sold millions, and Just Dance has already exploded with over 2m sales in a rather short amount of time. There are other countless party games and low budget games that are doing incredibly well. While some games are not doing as great, I believe Little King Story was one, correct me if I'm wrong.

Wii has a large audience, but a much more diverse audience than the PS3 or 360. Not everything thrown at the Wii will guranteed success. And not everything will happen as plan.



Netyaroze on 03 April 2010
Garnett said:
CGI-Quality said:
Legend11 said:
huaxiong90 said:
Legend11 said:
He's basically saying the same thing we've heard many times from third parties. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, and others simply aren't seeing the sales they should be seeing on the Wii considering its marketshare.

At the end of the day it's better for third parties to have Microsoft dominant over both Nintendo and Sony since it takes a smaller share of total game sales when compared to the other two. Nintendo sees third parties as direct competitors while Sony has made it obvious they're working on building first parties at the expense of third parties (reduction in moneyhats, etc).


Thanks for helping me prove my point.  Imagine what that chart would look like if the 360 was the one with an installed base of 69.56 million and the Wii had 39.06 million.

"What ifs" are pointless though:

What if the PS3 started the gen @ $299? Would the 360 have as much 3rd party support as it currently does?

What if the Wii hadn't taken off in the first place? Would it be in the same position it is currently in?

What if the 360 had been the only console on the market for longer than a year? Would the PS3 and Wii have had even stronger launch line-ups to combat with?

Bottomline is, he spouts this stuff like the Wii is doing poorly. It may not have the same 3rd Party strength as the 360, but it's certainly not doing as bad as he's implying.

I agree sorta.

 

The graph says that 360 fans buy as almost the same amount of games as Wii fans do, and the Wii has double the sales the 360 does.

Does this mean that most Wii owners put the Wii away after a few weeks after use? I just asking questions. 

 

 

 

 

As far as I see it this graph is for third party only and we know how strong the first party on Wii is.  To answer your question: probably not. 

 

Total SW sales look different for the WII but not much more different for the 360. 



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huaxiong90 on 03 April 2010
Legend11 said:
huaxiong90 said:
Legend11 said:
He's basically saying the same thing we've heard many times from third parties. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, and others simply aren't seeing the sales they should be seeing on the Wii considering its marketshare.

At the end of the day it's better for third parties to have Microsoft dominant over both Nintendo and Sony since it takes a smaller share of total game sales when compared to the other two. Nintendo sees third parties as direct competitors while Sony has made it obvious they're working on building first parties at the expense of third parties (reduction in moneyhats, etc).


Thanks for helping me prove my point.  Imagine what that chart would look like if the 360 was the one with an installed base of 69.56 million and the Wii had 39.06 million.

I was going to respond to this, but CGI and SaviorX saved me the trouble.



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forest-spirit on 03 April 2010

Nintendo's main problem is their 1st party games. They are to successful.



Garnett on 03 April 2010
SaviorX said:
Garnett said:
CGI-Quality said:
Legend11 said:
huaxiong90 said:
Legend11 said:
He's basically saying the same thing we've heard many times from third parties. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, and others simply aren't seeing the sales they should be seeing on the Wii considering its marketshare.

At the end of the day it's better for third parties to have Microsoft dominant over both Nintendo and Sony since it takes a smaller share of total game sales when compared to the other two. Nintendo sees third parties as direct competitors while Sony has made it obvious they're working on building first parties at the expense of third parties (reduction in moneyhats, etc).


Thanks for helping me prove my point.  Imagine what that chart would look like if the 360 was the one with an installed base of 69.56 million and the Wii had 39.06 million.

"What ifs" are pointless though:

What if the PS3 started the gen @ $299? Would the 360 have as much 3rd party support as it currently does?

What if the Wii hadn't taken off in the first place? Would it be in the same position it is currently in?

What if the 360 had been the only console on the market for longer than a year? Would the PS3 and Wii have had even stronger launch line-ups to combat with?

Bottomline is, he spouts this stuff like the Wii is doing poorly. It may not have the same 3rd Party strength as the 360, but it's certainly not doing as bad as he's implying.

I agree sorta.

 

The graph says that 360 fans buy as almost the same amount of games as Wii fans do, and the Wii has double the sales the 360 does.

Does this mean that most Wii owners put the Wii away after a few weeks after use? I just asking questions.

 

The Wii has somehow managed to sell more software without dependence on any of the blockbuster franchises save for...1 (Monster Hunter 3)

The 360 literally has every big series out there.

Even so the 360 sells just about the same amount of software as the Wii. Without the bundled Wii spots and Mario games do you think the Wii would even be near the 360? I highly doubt it. 

 

The Wii depends on Mario games or a exercise related games.

If we look at the top 10 games sold this week, the Wii has Wii sports at number 4, but only because it was bundled since day 1. 

Number 6 is a Mario game.

Number 10 is a exercise  game.

 

Just Dance has sold over 2 million copies, and it sold 100,000 this week. The game has a 49 ranked on metacritic. Clearly a bad game but manages to sell.

 

 

 

 



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alekth on 03 April 2010

Hm, but the question is also whether those 360 owners want to buy Natal games. Or the Wii owners to buy a 360 and games for it. The Wii has still sold infinitely more wave around games than the 360.



Grey21 on 03 April 2010

The Wii is the mainstream console now, so to answer the question asked in this topic: Yes, some Wii owners put their console away after playing and wont touch it for weeks or months. But I'm sure that at the same time the hardcore Wii owners play just as much as the hardcore 360 owner. It's just that the low amount of mainstreamers on the 36 keep the amount of games sold per gamer and the amount fo hours played per week really high. PS3 is somewhere in the middle due to being mainstream in Europe.

Does this mean the 360 is doing bad? That depends on who you ask but it does mean that mainstreamers are more likely to buy a PS3 + Move then a 360 + Natal. On the other hand there are a lot more hardcore gamers on the 360 so publicers prefer the 360 over the PS3 thus there are more 360 + PC multiplatform gamers then PS3 + PC multiplats. So its both good and bad.