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Reminds me of the film The Room. You watch that thing and assume it cost $50 to make, and find out it cost over $6 million, and used tons of really hi-tech special effects. You'd never know though. I really don't know where these people get money like this to just dump away.



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
Reminds me of the film The Room. You watch that thing and assume it cost $50 to make, and find out it cost over $6 million, and used tons of really hi-tech special effects. You'd never know though. I really don't know where these people get money like this to just dump away.


LOL. The Room just reminded me of The Cube... god that movie was awful.



Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:

BTW - That guy is a career VA. He isn't an actor like Andy. No matter what Andy would get paid more. He may have revernce in the industry but out of it he is a no name. Millions upon millions know "my precious"


And nobody actually knows that's Andy Serkis.  Nor are they going to know the guy from HS is the same guy who was Gollum.  Your being ridiculious.


The people who hired him know. And its in the videos in the game. So whoever plays 1 video after unlocking it would know too. You're the one being ridiculous. You want an example of 1 movie launching someones career? Tom Cruise - Top Gun. He was a nobody but that movie made 350 million and after that he started getting paid millions per role. AND TOP GUN WASNT AS BIG AS LOTR

Your compairing him to Tom Cruise now.

Ok.  Lets look at his IMDB.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0785227/

I'm not really seeing any big movies that would indicate he's making millions or this launched his career... in fact, all his work seems to pretty much be just Lord of the Rings related.


Hm... lets look at Tom Crusie.

 

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000129/

Well, right after Top Gun I see a number of huge breakout movies such as Cocktail and Born on the Fourth of July.


The point is if you want smeagol youre going to pay a premium. Youre deluding yourself if you think actors dont get over paid.

Actors get overpaid.  Andy doesn't.

Is it seriously your contention that the reason Andy hasn't seen any career boost for LOTR is because he's holding out for higher money?

He's playing Albert Einstein in a freaking made for TV movie.  How much do you think he got paid for that?

LOL is it above your understanding that the guy started work on the game right after the huge hit lotr? You are putting serious words in my mouth. But this guy was the writer. Voice actor. Actor. and Director. HE DID A LOT OF WORK! Your telling me a top name guy can get almost a million dollars for talking into a mic for 1 hour of his time and And cant get a couple million from months of his time while doing 4 different jobs directly after he played a role in 3 ginormous movies? get real dude



letsdance said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Reminds me of the film The Room. You watch that thing and assume it cost $50 to make, and find out it cost over $6 million, and used tons of really hi-tech special effects. You'd never know though. I really don't know where these people get money like this to just dump away.


LOL. The Room just reminded me of The Cube... god that movie was awful.

Hey I loved Cube.  It actually had natural dialogue and the scenes were actually related to each other.  The Room was random people saying random things in a random order.  "Oh it's just breast cancer, I'll be fine."  They never mention it again for the whole movie.

Cube 2 and Cube Zero were horrible bastardizations of the original though.



letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:

BTW - That guy is a career VA. He isn't an actor like Andy. No matter what Andy would get paid more. He may have revernce in the industry but out of it he is a no name. Millions upon millions know "my precious"


And nobody actually knows that's Andy Serkis.  Nor are they going to know the guy from HS is the same guy who was Gollum.  Your being ridiculious.


The people who hired him know. And its in the videos in the game. So whoever plays 1 video after unlocking it would know too. You're the one being ridiculous. You want an example of 1 movie launching someones career? Tom Cruise - Top Gun. He was a nobody but that movie made 350 million and after that he started getting paid millions per role. AND TOP GUN WASNT AS BIG AS LOTR

Your compairing him to Tom Cruise now.

Ok.  Lets look at his IMDB.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0785227/

I'm not really seeing any big movies that would indicate he's making millions or this launched his career... in fact, all his work seems to pretty much be just Lord of the Rings related.


Hm... lets look at Tom Crusie.

 

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000129/

Well, right after Top Gun I see a number of huge breakout movies such as Cocktail and Born on the Fourth of July.


The point is if you want smeagol youre going to pay a premium. Youre deluding yourself if you think actors dont get over paid.

Actors get overpaid.  Andy doesn't.

Is it seriously your contention that the reason Andy hasn't seen any career boost for LOTR is because he's holding out for higher money?

He's playing Albert Einstein in a freaking made for TV movie.  How much do you think he got paid for that?

LOL is it above your understanding that the guy started work on the game right after the huge hit lotr? You are putting serious words in my mouth. But this guy was the writer. Voice actor. Actor. and Director. HE DID A LOT OF WORK! Your telling me a top name guy can get almost a million dollars for talking into a mic for 1 hour of his time and And cant get a couple million from months of his time while doing 4 different jobs directly after he played a role in 3 ginormous movies? get real dude

I don't know if you know how the Entertainment industry works... but yes.  The top name guys make TONS more then the little guys do.

Directors and Writers don't make that much in the videogame industry... while actor and voice actor is the same job.



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greenmedic88 said:
Squilliam said:
Probably most games released this generation for HD systems haven't really made money. If you look at the top 10 console owner published games for the DX9 twins you'd probably find only about 8 of those actually made money.

The gaming industry has essentially morphed into the same business model as the American film industry.

It's not all just about raking in huge profits, but selling enough to justify financing the next project, which will presumably cost less to produce if it's another sequel. 

Although with the major publishers like EA, Ubisoft and Activision, one has to wonder why the hell they exist as these huge game corporations if it's not for the purpose of expansion and profits. Usually, they are profitable.

Even the major movie studios release box office clunkers on a regular basis, and yet they still maintain enough hits to keep the films coming.

Well in the film industry sequels cost more than new I.P. as you can pay your actors less, however the pay scale escalates heavily with successful properties whereas the game industry has cheaper/faster production for 2nd/3rd games in the same series whilst having lower marketing requirements. Also both benefit from having sequels because the success of future products also benefits the previously released content, so for example Gears of War 1 adding half a million sales due to the success of Gears of War 2 and furthermore once they release the trilogy the effect will happen again and finally they get the opportunity to re-release their games another time in the next generation and thus turn on 5M selling game into a 20M selling series.



Tease.

Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:

BTW - That guy is a career VA. He isn't an actor like Andy. No matter what Andy would get paid more. He may have revernce in the industry but out of it he is a no name. Millions upon millions know "my precious"


And nobody actually knows that's Andy Serkis.  Nor are they going to know the guy from HS is the same guy who was Gollum.  Your being ridiculious.


The people who hired him know. And its in the videos in the game. So whoever plays 1 video after unlocking it would know too. You're the one being ridiculous. You want an example of 1 movie launching someones career? Tom Cruise - Top Gun. He was a nobody but that movie made 350 million and after that he started getting paid millions per role. AND TOP GUN WASNT AS BIG AS LOTR

Your compairing him to Tom Cruise now.

Ok.  Lets look at his IMDB.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0785227/

I'm not really seeing any big movies that would indicate he's making millions or this launched his career... in fact, all his work seems to pretty much be just Lord of the Rings related.


Hm... lets look at Tom Crusie.

 

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000129/

Well, right after Top Gun I see a number of huge breakout movies such as Cocktail and Born on the Fourth of July.


The point is if you want smeagol youre going to pay a premium. Youre deluding yourself if you think actors dont get over paid.

Actors get overpaid.  Andy doesn't.

Is it seriously your contention that the reason Andy hasn't seen any career boost for LOTR is because he's holding out for higher money?

He's playing Albert Einstein in a freaking made for TV movie.  How much do you think he got paid for that?

LOL is it above your understanding that the guy started work on the game right after the huge hit lotr? You are putting serious words in my mouth. But this guy was the writer. Voice actor. Actor. and Director. HE DID A LOT OF WORK! Your telling me a top name guy can get almost a million dollars for talking into a mic for 1 hour of his time and And cant get a couple million from months of his time while doing 4 different jobs directly after he played a role in 3 ginormous movies? get real dude

I don't know if you know how the Entertainment industry works... but yes.  The top name guys make TONS more then the little guys do.

Directors and Writers don't make that much in the videogame industry... while actor and voice actor is the same job.


In this case it's not the same job. Unlike the guy who got paid 750k to just speak for an hour Andy had to speak for a lot longer than that then he had to go to the mocap process and act out all the scenes. The guy was a big name back in '04 when he started working on HS right after the hugely successful LOTR Trilogy.



Mr Puggsly said:
Gojimaster said:
i bet these kind of stories are very common on hd systems, and we don't hear about half of them-- that is crazy a game can sell 1.5 mill and make a profit

I think these stories are common on the Wii as well. That would explain why developers often ignore the Wii for quality releases.

To my knowledge only 1 developer has lost money on Wii to the point it required them to shut down.  There are several such cases on the HD side of things.

Average break even point for a Wii title is ~300k units.  Average break even point for an HD title is over 1 million units. 

Don't forget that publishers typically fund the development from the start.  A lot of these studios that went under started the projects with their own money and then pitched them to publishers and failed to generate enough revenue to recoup their initial development costs.  Ninja Theory is alsow one of those developers who began the project prior to the publisher (Sony) getting involved.

letsdance said:
jarrod said:

Eh, more than twice as many people worked on MGS4, and it was in development twice as long... pretty sure it's budget likely dwarfed Heavenly Sword's.


I doubt it. I think Kojima went the more traditional way in developing the MGS4. Ninjatheory was very ambitious in their developing with facial mocap and voicing famous people.

 MGS4 had a much higher production budget than Heavenly Sword.   The voice talent angle you are pushing is irrelevant.  

The problem here is that Ninja Theory started the project prior to signing the contract with Sony so Sony didn't front the development money (as it works with most projects).  The game didn't sell like they had hoped so Ninja Theory didn't recover their costs.   Voice talent is such a small portion of the total budget that it's silly to point to it as the blame for profit failure.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:

BTW - That guy is a career VA. He isn't an actor like Andy. No matter what Andy would get paid more. He may have revernce in the industry but out of it he is a no name. Millions upon millions know "my precious"


And nobody actually knows that's Andy Serkis.  Nor are they going to know the guy from HS is the same guy who was Gollum.  Your being ridiculious.


The people who hired him know. And its in the videos in the game. So whoever plays 1 video after unlocking it would know too. You're the one being ridiculous. You want an example of 1 movie launching someones career? Tom Cruise - Top Gun. He was a nobody but that movie made 350 million and after that he started getting paid millions per role. AND TOP GUN WASNT AS BIG AS LOTR

Your compairing him to Tom Cruise now.

Ok.  Lets look at his IMDB.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0785227/

I'm not really seeing any big movies that would indicate he's making millions or this launched his career... in fact, all his work seems to pretty much be just Lord of the Rings related.


Hm... lets look at Tom Crusie.

 

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000129/

Well, right after Top Gun I see a number of huge breakout movies such as Cocktail and Born on the Fourth of July.


The point is if you want smeagol youre going to pay a premium. Youre deluding yourself if you think actors dont get over paid.

Actors get overpaid.  Andy doesn't.

Is it seriously your contention that the reason Andy hasn't seen any career boost for LOTR is because he's holding out for higher money?

He's playing Albert Einstein in a freaking made for TV movie.  How much do you think he got paid for that?

LOL is it above your understanding that the guy started work on the game right after the huge hit lotr? You are putting serious words in my mouth. But this guy was the writer. Voice actor. Actor. and Director. HE DID A LOT OF WORK! Your telling me a top name guy can get almost a million dollars for talking into a mic for 1 hour of his time and And cant get a couple million from months of his time while doing 4 different jobs directly after he played a role in 3 ginormous movies? get real dude

I don't know if you know how the Entertainment industry works... but yes.  The top name guys make TONS more then the little guys do.

Directors and Writers don't make that much in the videogame industry... while actor and voice actor is the same job.


In this case it's not the same job. Unlike the guy who got paid 750k to just speak for an hour Andy had to speak for a lot longer than that then he had to go to the mocap process and act out all the scenes. The guy was a big name back in '04 when he started working on HS right after the hugely successful LOTR Trilogy.

No he wasn't a big name... and he's not... and yes it would be seen as the same job.

Motion capture people aren't paid that much anyway.

Do you think the Mortal Kombat guys are getting paid big money? Those guys had to do actual Kung Fu!  Not to mention they motion capture atheltes for sports games all the time.

Your putting together something he would be lucky to get 500K for, and adding in a bunch of jobs that pay probably a total of 100K if lucky, and turning that into a million... even though consoldiating jobs with 1 person should be cheaper and not more expensive.



Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:
Kasz216 said:
letsdance said:

BTW - That guy is a career VA. He isn't an actor like Andy. No matter what Andy would get paid more. He may have revernce in the industry but out of it he is a no name. Millions upon millions know "my precious"


And nobody actually knows that's Andy Serkis.  Nor are they going to know the guy from HS is the same guy who was Gollum.  Your being ridiculious.


The people who hired him know. And its in the videos in the game. So whoever plays 1 video after unlocking it would know too. You're the one being ridiculous. You want an example of 1 movie launching someones career? Tom Cruise - Top Gun. He was a nobody but that movie made 350 million and after that he started getting paid millions per role. AND TOP GUN WASNT AS BIG AS LOTR

Your compairing him to Tom Cruise now.

Ok.  Lets look at his IMDB.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0785227/

I'm not really seeing any big movies that would indicate he's making millions or this launched his career... in fact, all his work seems to pretty much be just Lord of the Rings related.


Hm... lets look at Tom Crusie.

 

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000129/

Well, right after Top Gun I see a number of huge breakout movies such as Cocktail and Born on the Fourth of July.


The point is if you want smeagol youre going to pay a premium. Youre deluding yourself if you think actors dont get over paid.

Actors get overpaid.  Andy doesn't.

Is it seriously your contention that the reason Andy hasn't seen any career boost for LOTR is because he's holding out for higher money?

He's playing Albert Einstein in a freaking made for TV movie.  How much do you think he got paid for that?

LOL is it above your understanding that the guy started work on the game right after the huge hit lotr? You are putting serious words in my mouth. But this guy was the writer. Voice actor. Actor. and Director. HE DID A LOT OF WORK! Your telling me a top name guy can get almost a million dollars for talking into a mic for 1 hour of his time and And cant get a couple million from months of his time while doing 4 different jobs directly after he played a role in 3 ginormous movies? get real dude

I don't know if you know how the Entertainment industry works... but yes.  The top name guys make TONS more then the little guys do.

Directors and Writers don't make that much in the videogame industry... while actor and voice actor is the same job.


In this case it's not the same job. Unlike the guy who got paid 750k to just speak for an hour Andy had to speak for a lot longer than that then he had to go to the mocap process and act out all the scenes. The guy was a big name back in '04 when he started working on HS right after the hugely successful LOTR Trilogy.

No he wasn't a big name... and he's not... and yes it would be seen as the same job.

Motion capture people aren't paid that much anyway.

Do you think the Mortal Kombat guys are getting paid big money?  Your putting together something he would be lucky to get 500K for, and adding in a bunch of jobs that pay probably a total of 100K if lucky, and turning that into a million... even though consoldiating jobs with 1 person should be cheaper and not more expensive.


You know how popular "My precious" is? Obviously not or else you wouldn't be saying that. The guy was a cult hit in a mainstream movie. Motion Capture people aren't normally Gollum from LOTR. 500k for a job when you yourself provided links showing 1 hour of VA work from actors gets paid that much? Please... Your silly. In no way do I think Andy make millions like Tom Cruise but at the same time if you want to hire Smeagol from LOTR you are going to pay a premium. Especially if there was terrible management like suggested. It'd be overpaid.