I have a nice list of things that are horrible mechanics for shooters that stem solely from the inadequate shooter control schemes of consoles, also their mostly skill-less audience:

-DLC

-Regenerating health

-Matchmaking

-Limited guns being able to be carried

-Following from the previous, shitty gun concepts and not much variation

-Slow ass games, way slow, I grow a 5 o'clock shadow any time I try to turn 180 degress in Halo 3, GoW, CoD, etc.

-Repetative gameplay, seriously look at how varied HL2 is then look at Gears of War

-Decline of skill based games, and an astounding rise of luck based games. At least back in 2000 CS players knew heir places behind Quake/UT players, now people are actually arguing with me how Halo 3, CoD4, MW2, etc. take more skill than Quake and UT.

-Leveling systems in multiplayer. I realize BF2 did i first and I hated it for it, but now it's just getting rediculous.

-Zero modding tools and SDKs. Epic releases the entire UE engine for everyone who buys the game. You know the one that is used in lke 20% of all current games? Yeah that one. You get  literally the whole thing and you can make amazing games without a hitch as long as youdon't charge for it.

-Shitty models. Look at the variety of models HL, TF, Quake, UT, etc. had, and now look at the variety of models, which conosist of Marine 1, and at best Soldier 1. Then you can add little bells and whistles to "customize" them which make no fucking difference in the middle of the action.

I feel that's a nice list, I am sure I have more greviances but I just can't come up with them. I will end this with a very nice thing that I do like about console shooters:

-Local multiplayer, it's fucking awesome, and while it's nowhere near as awesome and badass as a LAN party, it's very fast and it doesn't have to be premedited. A shooter on a console is absolutely worthless without local multiplayer.

It's not all bad that PC shooters have been dumbed down though. The side effect is they became more realistic.

I always hated Quake and UT for being too fast, so unrealistic when everyone runs faster than Ben Johnson. And it looks ridiculous with all the bunnyjumping. With full combat armor and gear that soldiers carry in Bad Company 2 you can't turn around 180 degrees in a fraction of a second like you do in games like Quake.

And it's unrealistic to be able to carry over half a dozen guns.

Bad Company 2 does not feel dumbed down. It feels perfect.

That is absolutely false. Look at Counter-Strike or Battlefield 1942. They are much better than the modern FPS games, and are more realistic than Bad Company 2 as well.

Also, your realstic games take almost no skill and a whole lot of luck. UT and Quake showed actual skill in the FPS genre. Just because you couldn't handle doesn't mean it's bad. Basically, UT/Quake are the Formula 1 of FPS games, Counter-Strike/BF1942 and so on would be NASCAR, and Halo/CoD/etc. are just your street races using Nissan Altimas.

That is absolutely false. Look at Counter-Strike or Battlefield 1942. They are much better than the modern FPS games, and are more realistic than Bad Company 2 as well.

Also, your realstic games take almost no skill and a whole lot of luck. UT and Quake showed actual skill in the FPS genre. Just because you couldn't handle doesn't mean it's bad. Basically, UT/Quake are the Formula 1 of FPS games, Counter-Strike/BF1942 and so on would be NASCAR, and Halo/CoD/etc. are just your street races using Nissan Altimas.

Counter-Strike is shit. But whatever floats your boat.

Counter-Strike is shit. But whatever floats your boat.

I actually fully agree. But it's laughable you don't think modern games aren't shit because Counter-Strike is twice the game any modern shooter you can name. That should tell you just how bad modern shooters have gotten.

But I do admit, CS and the newer shittier counterparts, have their use. I can't play more than 1-3 games of UT or Quake because when it comes down to me and another guy and the last few frags for the win, astounding amounts of adrenaline shoot through my system. It's absolutely awesome and badass, but after those several games at the top of my game my hands start shaking and I have to stop. No other FPS I have played has ever come even close to the amount of adrenaline that I get through my system as those moments in UT and Quake.

I guess saying they are bad isn't the right word. They are just a huge bore compared to the shooters of yore. Then again, boring in entertainment terms could be classified as bad. Before you begin to argue about how this is an opinion or not. You can directly measure the amount of adrenaline in your system, and I'm willing to bet my left nut that UT/Quake have much higher adrenaline levels than any modern shooter.

I have a nice list of things that are horrible mechanics for shooters that stem solely from the inadequate shooter control schemes of consoles, also their mostly skill-less audience:

-DLC

-Regenerating health

-Matchmaking

-Limited guns being able to be carried

-Following from the previous, shitty gun concepts and not much variation

-Slow ass games, way slow, I grow a 5 o'clock shadow any time I try to turn 180 degress in Halo 3, GoW, CoD, etc.

-Repetative gameplay, seriously look at how varied HL2 is then look at Gears of War

-Decline of skill based games, and an astounding rise of luck based games. At least back in 2000 CS players knew heir places behind Quake/UT players, now people are actually arguing with me how Halo 3, CoD4, MW2, etc. take more skill than Quake and UT.

-Leveling systems in multiplayer. I realize BF2 did i first and I hated it for it, but now it's just getting rediculous.

-Zero modding tools and SDKs. Epic releases the entire UE engine for everyone who buys the game. You know the one that is used in lke 20% of all current games? Yeah that one. You get  literally the whole thing and you can make amazing games without a hitch as long as youdon't charge for it.

-Shitty models. Look at the variety of models HL, TF, Quake, UT, etc. had, and now look at the variety of models, which conosist of Marine 1, and at best Soldier 1. Then you can add little bells and whistles to "customize" them which make no fucking difference in the middle of the action.

I feel that's a nice list, I am sure I have more greviances but I just can't come up with them. I will end this with a very nice thing that I do like about console shooters:

-Local multiplayer, it's fucking awesome, and while it's nowhere near as awesome and badass as a LAN party, it's very fast and it doesn't have to be premedited. A shooter on a console is absolutely worthless without local multiplayer.