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Kenryoku_Maxis on 24 March 2010
Soriku said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Its probably just a combination of most Japanese third parties are focusing more on the DS (the system that is by FAR the most popular system in Japan) and because most Japanese companies that try to make games for the Wii don't do very well.

I mean, if you look at all the major third party games on the Wii, there really hasn't been any major 'hit' for the system. Monster Hunter Tri is still trying to break through to a million, games like Little Kings Story and Muramasa didn't do all that great and major third party efforts like Fatal Frame IV and 428: Fuusa Sareta Shibuya de just outright bombed. Its literally getting to the point where third party developers, Japanese or western, are starting to look at the Wii as a system where they can only make a quick low budget game to make money because there's no guarantee if their game will sell 1 million copies....or 100,000. And most aren't being able to come close to that 1 million mark. To this date, only one third party Wii game has sold 1 million based on Japanese sales alone. There's 12 games on DS that can claim that prize.

Its like I've been saying for a while now, the biggest competition for the Wii is the DS. Its giving third parties an excuse not to make games for the Wii when the DS is much more popular and software sells 5-10x better on it.


MH3 hit a million a long time ago...and yes, in Famitsu.

I don't know how many times I have to say most devs haven't announced much for anything lately but that should change by April.

Lots of games have been announced recently.  From The Last Story to a new Monster Hunter to three new Kingdom Hearts games just today.  New games are announced all the time.

As for Monster Hunter hitting a million, yes it has.  But just barely.  Still, VGChartz needs to update the amount to reflect the Famitsu numbers.



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scottie on 24 March 2010
trestres said:
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It's been a very long time since any Japanese dev made a significant announcement and there aren't many upcoming games for the PS3 from any Japanese dev. The most notable are Sengoku Basara 3 which is multiplat with the Wii and FFXIV which might be 2 years away. Seems like this Year Sony might have to keep the PS3 attractive all by themselves with GT5, (Sorry, I don't actually know what 1st party Japanese oriented games Sony has coming out, but can we just assume that I wrote them here), because there's about nothing from the 3rd parties that could move any hardware or become a big hit. It's been happening since last year, when there were almost no big announcements and has been getting worse since then.

Why could this be? Devs know that there's a new Sony home console coming up soon? Devs will focus on the 3DS more and forget about home consoles? Devs think that the SD market is more lucrative and hence focus on them?

It's a mystery for me, with more than 3 million home consoles, PS3 is getting about the same amount of games or less than the 360 which is a dead console. What do you think?

PS3 = 5 million consoles. You are wrong.

PS3 is getting many more games than PS2 is, Wii is getting even less (check dengekionline.com for release schedules), you are wrong.

PS3 is getting many more games from Japanese 3rd party devs: FFvsXIII, FFXIV, Sengoku Basara 3, Super Street Fighter 4, Castlevania Lords of Shadow, Pro Baseball Spirits 2010, Nier Replicant, Lost Planet 2, Shin Hokuto, Dead Rising 2, Atelier Totori, Disgaea 3, Trinity Zill'Oll, White Album, Metal Gear Solid Rising, Majin, Naruto Ninja Storm 2, Blazblue: Continuum Shift, Front Mission Evolved, Armored Core 5, Clash of the Titans, Quantum Theory, No More Heros Paradise, Winning Eleven 2010 Samurai, Just Cause 2, Deus Ex 3, Hakuoki PS3, Vanquish, Dinasty Warriors Troy, Alpha Protocol. You are wrong

As for 1st party games that appeal to the Japanese GT5, White Knight Chronicles 2, Demons' Souls 2, The Last Guardian. You are wrong.

EDIT: Didn't see the post where you said you were mocking but in a friendly manner.

 

Sorry, 5 million

 

I don't particularly want to get into list wars, but I will point out a few things - many of those games are niche or will sell badly for whatever reason, and many of them are multiplat anyway

 

I never said it didn't have 1st party games coming. I just said I don't know what they are. So I can't really be wrong :P



joeorc on 24 March 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
"it's not an Illusion it's I think has more to do with Nintendo's position on promotion of 3rd party software more than anything."

That isn't the context of what I wrote.

"the very fact that Nintendo seem's to struggle with 3rd party every generation, except for handheld's has to make you wonder why?"

I could buy the cost of the carts with the N64, but the GC didn't have any excuse (disc size only counted if a game couldn't do multiple carts, and only San Andreas did that), and neither did a new interface which is the supposed excuse for this system.

"but yet do you see their DS handheld software for 3rd party get promotion"

What do you mean? Do you mean Nintendo is supposed to do the marketing for the 3rd parties?

yup.an why not !

If I am making a game for your systemm why would you not promote it. If you want it to sell right, the game is going to make you money like it would make me money?

The more you promote it the more it would or could Make.

both Sony and Microsoft do indeed promote 3rd party game's on their system.

Though With Nintendo I do not See that.

 



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psrock on 24 March 2010
scottie said:
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scottie said:
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Oh Scottie.

No matter how you put it, The PS3 still get more support than the Wii from third party developers. The reason only TRES is complaining is soly due to the fact NSMB Wii has somehow blinded you guys by the lack of support the last couple months. There have been no support, none for the Wii this year so far, but it sells anyway, and nobody notices.

So you're saying the Wii's 3rd party support level is both unchanged (ie it's always been low) and irrelevant (ie no effect on Hardware sales)? I then suggest that if there is no effect on the Wii as a whole, all that is left is to check if there's enough good games for ourselves personally

 

*checks*

 

There are :) How fortunate

I agree with you, I have always said the Wii has never needed 3rd party support. I am glad you are happy, it should stay that way.



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trestres on 24 March 2010

@scottie: Some of those games might be niche, but what counts is that they are being made. Getting into a listwar would be a lose situation for the Wii. I can make one if you want.



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outlawauron on 24 March 2010
trestres said:
woopah said:
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becasuse almost every advantge the wii offers to publishers is done better by the DS

Why then do PSP, PS3 and 360 still get more games than the Wii?

well PSP for the same reasons as DS, larger userbase and smaller dev costs.

 

PS3 and 360 offer a greater market in the west for japaneese franchises

PSP has larger costs than the DS, why aren't all games made for the DS then? PSP still gets a ton of big games and its costs are higher. Plus DS has a userbase that's 2 times as big as that of the DS.

Wii has a bigger userbase than the HD's combined, has lower costs and offers a new gameplay mechanic, yet the big franchises are heading towards the handhelds or the HDs. It wouldn't surprise me to see devs making motion games when Arc and Natal finally come out exclusively for the HD consoles, and using their big franchises for it. Wii is cursed, really I don't think it will be able to maintain its sales come next year only with 1st party SW. Nintendo might be planning to launch a new home console by next year because clearly things will never be good enough for 3rd parties to even try and momentum will definitely die soon if this doesn't change.

This is easier. Regardless of numbers, certain consoles have a specific userbase. A bet that a 360/Wii SHMUP or Visual Novel will do much better on the 360. The 360 has that crowd.

Just with PSP vs. DS. PSP has the local multiplayer game crowd down (Phantasy Star, Monster Hunter, God Eater, etc.)



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trestres on 24 March 2010

@Soriku: TLS is a 1st party title, Nintendo owns it. Same as WKC2 or DS 2 in the case of Sony, that's why I didn't list them as 3rd party games.

I would say that the announcement of a new Yakuza "Project K" is big as well. We don't know where it will be heading, will probably be for the PS3 but some say it's for the PSP.



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trestres on 24 March 2010
outlawauron said:
trestres said:
woopah said:
trestres said:
woopah said:
becasuse almost every advantge the wii offers to publishers is done better by the DS

Why then do PSP, PS3 and 360 still get more games than the Wii?

well PSP for the same reasons as DS, larger userbase and smaller dev costs.

 

PS3 and 360 offer a greater market in the west for japaneese franchises

PSP has larger costs than the DS, why aren't all games made for the DS then? PSP still gets a ton of big games and its costs are higher. Plus DS has a userbase that's 2 times as big as that of the DS.

Wii has a bigger userbase than the HD's combined, has lower costs and offers a new gameplay mechanic, yet the big franchises are heading towards the handhelds or the HDs. It wouldn't surprise me to see devs making motion games when Arc and Natal finally come out exclusively for the HD consoles, and using their big franchises for it. Wii is cursed, really I don't think it will be able to maintain its sales come next year only with 1st party SW. Nintendo might be planning to launch a new home console by next year because clearly things will never be good enough for 3rd parties to even try and momentum will definitely die soon if this doesn't change.

This is easier. Regardless of numbers, certain consoles have a specific userbase. A bet that a 360/Wii SHMUP or Visual Novel will do much better on the 360. The 360 has that crowd.

Just with PSP vs. DS. PSP has the local multiplayer game crowd down (Phantasy Star, Monster Hunter, God Eater, etc.)

Wii is appealing in a lot of genres. MH3 sold a million, that's proof enough. Yet 3rd party devs seem to avoid the Wii for some reason. If they never give the Wii games in big franchises, then they will most likely never succeed.



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joeorc on 24 March 2010
psrock said:
scottie said:
psrock said:
scottie said:
trestres said:

 

Oh Scottie.

No matter how you put it, The PS3 still get more support than the Wii from third party developers. The reason only TRES is complaining is soly due to the fact NSMB Wii has somehow blinded you guys by the lack of support the last couple months. There have been no support, none for the Wii this year so far, but it sells anyway, and nobody notices.

So you're saying the Wii's 3rd party support level is both unchanged (ie it's always been low) and irrelevant (ie no effect on Hardware sales)? I then suggest that if there is no effect on the Wii as a whole, all that is left is to check if there's enough good games for ourselves personally

 

*checks*

 

There are :) How fortunate

I agree with you, I have always said the Wii has never needed 3rd party support. I am glad you are happy, it should stay that way.

I also Agree, And the Wii has some fantastic game's already even without Some of the 3rd party offering's of the PS3 an xbox360

Nintendo's alway's made great 1st party software, Quite a bit I might add, but the problem is once again many 3rd party's see their offering's taking a back seat to Nintendo's 1st party offering's on Nintendo platform's. It's been that Way for a very long time.

Has the Hurt Nintendo, some cases yes, but for the Most part people buy Nintendo because of Nintendo game's, not 3rd party software.

Hell that's why we got a Wii. Because I like Nintendo game's. I bought the Playstation 3 for Playstation 3 software, the fact that I also get some great 3rd party game's for my Playstation 3 is a bonus.



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trestres on 24 March 2010

But they are a contracted developer that are making a 1st party game. Same case as with Capcom and Zelda Minish Cap.



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