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gurglesletch on 24 March 2010
mirgro said:
CGI-Quality said:
mirgro said:
CGI-Quality said:
mirgro said:
CGI-Quality said:
 

lol....dude, you have to be kidding me. FPS games are NOT all the same = my opinion. FPS games ARE all the same = your opinion. Nobody has proven a fact, it's two different takes on the genre.

We don't agree, but it's not a fact either way.

Really? Really?

fact: a concept whose truth can be proved

opinioon: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty

 

You can measure how similar games are and how different they are, therefore it is a fact. Now just because you think otherwise and at the same time don't want to think yourself as wrong, you try to pass it off as an opinion. Also keep in mind that there are such things as wrong opinions, such as people who held the opinion that the earth was flat back when it couldn't be verified, and their opinions were wrong. Just saying "oh it's my opinion" doesn't really mean shit, and really doesn't excuse people. It can be wrong, even if this subject isn't measureable and quantifiable, which it is, you can have a wrong opinion.

I can easily prove that "fact" wrong.

Killzone 2 is very different from Half-Life 2. Halo is very different from F.E.A.R. Resistance: Fall of Man is very different from GoldenEye 007 on the N64. The similarities: they are first person shooters. They don't feel the same, play the same, have the same weapons, or have the same aiming mechanics. If all FPS titles were the same, they would be judged and reviewed that way.

Therefore, you don't have any fact in saying that "all FPS titles are the same". They are not. Many have similarities, yes, but that doesn't make them the same. That's like saying all survival-horror titles are the same, all adventure games are the same, or that all racing titles are the same.

Perspective likeness =/= the same.

Except that only Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 ave come out this generation. Meanwhile Halo, FEAR, Half-Life 2, and especially 007, have all come otu during different stages.My calim was to FPSes the last several years, none of which you listed, very conveniently it would seem as well.

Also I don't know how much you have been playing but Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 feel extremely familar, at least that god-awful input lag of Killzone 2 and duck/lean system were there otherwise I could have sworn I was playing the same human vs alien in a gray/brown world with regenerating health where I can take 50 bullets and chill for 5 secs to remove saidt bullets game.

Perspective doesn't have aything to do with it, game mechanics do and in this geeration the differencec can be counted on your fingers between almost any 2 given FPS games. That's how you know when games are similar.

Btw, that last sentence, which you tried to stealth edit, agrees with me. Games can be similar, sure, doesn't make them "the same". Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 are FPS, but aren't the same. Left 4 Dead 2 & Halo 3 are FPS, but not the same.

Regardless, you can't prove your theory to be a fact. No way around it. Your feelings =/= facts.

I didn't stealth edit it, unless you mean an edit within 30 seconds for better clarity and spelling is somehow a stealth edit.

However I will concede that L4D is an original FPS, just like Metro 2033 and Portal. However I challenge you to list me 4 different FPS games that have significant differences between each other. I'm talking the difference between L4D and KZ2/R2/H3/etc. differences, not the none-existant differences between KZ2 and R2. Again it's not about how I felt, it's about how many gameplay differences there were, and the fact is I could probably count them on my findgers between those two games. I can bring in Halo 3 in as well and the difference between those 3 games is almost non-existant. Difference between CoD and those 3 is that instead of aliens it's other humans. I hop you get my drift.

Dude 2 things. TAKE A FRICKEN CHILL PILL. 2 ZOMBIES ARE NOT ALIENS 




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Joel12345 on 25 March 2010
mirgro said:
CGI-Quality said:
mirgro said:
CGI-Quality said:
mirgro said:
CGI-Quality said:
 

lol....dude, you have to be kidding me. FPS games are NOT all the same = my opinion. FPS games ARE all the same = your opinion. Nobody has proven a fact, it's two different takes on the genre.

We don't agree, but it's not a fact either way.

Really? Really?

fact: a concept whose truth can be proved

opinioon: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty

 

You can measure how similar games are and how different they are, therefore it is a fact. Now just because you think otherwise and at the same time don't want to think yourself as wrong, you try to pass it off as an opinion. Also keep in mind that there are such things as wrong opinions, such as people who held the opinion that the earth was flat back when it couldn't be verified, and their opinions were wrong. Just saying "oh it's my opinion" doesn't really mean shit, and really doesn't excuse people. It can be wrong, even if this subject isn't measureable and quantifiable, which it is, you can have a wrong opinion.

I can easily prove that "fact" wrong.

Killzone 2 is very different from Half-Life 2. Halo is very different from F.E.A.R. Resistance: Fall of Man is very different from GoldenEye 007 on the N64. The similarities: they are first person shooters. They don't feel the same, play the same, have the same weapons, or have the same aiming mechanics. If all FPS titles were the same, they would be judged and reviewed that way.

Therefore, you don't have any fact in saying that "all FPS titles are the same". They are not. Many have similarities, yes, but that doesn't make them the same. That's like saying all survival-horror titles are the same, all adventure games are the same, or that all racing titles are the same.

Perspective likeness =/= the same.

Except that only Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 ave come out this generation. Meanwhile Halo, FEAR, Half-Life 2, and especially 007, have all come otu during different stages.My calim was to FPSes the last several years, none of which you listed, very conveniently it would seem as well.

Also I don't know how much you have been playing but Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 feel extremely familar, at least that god-awful input lag of Killzone 2 and duck/lean system were there otherwise I could have sworn I was playing the same human vs alien in a gray/brown world with regenerating health where I can take 50 bullets and chill for 5 secs to remove saidt bullets game.

Perspective doesn't have aything to do with it, game mechanics do and in this geeration the differencec can be counted on your fingers between almost any 2 given FPS games. That's how you know when games are similar.

Btw, that last sentence, which you tried to stealth edit, agrees with me. Games can be similar, sure, doesn't make them "the same". Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 are FPS, but aren't the same. Left 4 Dead 2 & Halo 3 are FPS, but not the same.

Regardless, you can't prove your theory to be a fact. No way around it. Your feelings =/= facts.

I didn't stealth edit it, unless you mean an edit within 30 seconds for better clarity and spelling is somehow a stealth edit.

However I will concede that L4D is an original FPS, just like Metro 2033 and Portal. However I challenge you to list me 4 different FPS games that have significant differences between each other. I'm talking the difference between L4D and KZ2/R2/H3/etc. differences, not the none-existant differences between KZ2 and R2. Again it's not about how I felt, it's about how many gameplay differences there were, and the fact is I could probably count them on my findgers between those two games. I can bring in Halo 3 in as well and the difference between those 3 games is almost non-existant. Difference between CoD and those 3 is that instead of aliens it's other humans. I hop you get my drift.

Dude you've been owned already just leave it at that I can come up with 4 totally different FPS games right now

Redsteel 2,Aliens vs Predators,oh and you need to actually play KZ2 and R2 not go off gameplay videos theres a reason why killzone 2 and Resistance 2 sales are DIFFERENT they are not the SAME and thats why theres FPS out there that do better than others in terms of gameplay and sales because not all FPS are the same



mirgro on 25 March 2010
Joel12345 said:
mirgro said:
 

I didn't stealth edit it, unless you mean an edit within 30 seconds for better clarity and spelling is somehow a stealth edit.

However I will concede that L4D is an original FPS, just like Metro 2033 and Portal. However I challenge you to list me 4 different FPS games that have significant differences between each other. I'm talking the difference between L4D and KZ2/R2/H3/etc. differences, not the none-existant differences between KZ2 and R2. Again it's not about how I felt, it's about how many gameplay differences there were, and the fact is I could probably count them on my findgers between those two games. I can bring in Halo 3 in as well and the difference between those 3 games is almost non-existant. Difference between CoD and those 3 is that instead of aliens it's other humans. I hop you get my drift.

Dude you've been owned already just leave it at that I can come up with 4 totally different FPS games right now

Redsteel 2,Aliens vs Predators,oh and you need to actually play KZ2 and R2 not go off gameplay videos theres a reason why killzone 2 and Resistance 2 sales are DIFFERENT they are not the SAME and thats why theres FPS out there that do better than others in terms of gameplay and sales because not all FPS are the same

Funny, you came up with 2 right after saying you can name 4. One of which sucked pretty hard.

Also are you saying that FPSes are different because they sell so much? So somehow sales is equivalent to innovation and quality? Really? I'm not going off by videos, and I already admitted it, there are minimal differences between the two outside of the story and guns, obviously, but they can easily be counted on my fingers and that is not nearly enough to call them different. I even give KZ2 the benefit of a doubt and calling what is clearly input lag an intentional mechanic and not just shitty developers. So I am rying to give it as much redit as I can.

To illustrate it better, I have played "Diablo clones" which had more differences between them and Diablo II than almost all FPSes out this generation, and that is extremely sad. If you can't admit it that's your problem, but that's how things stand.



Tiko7523 on 25 March 2010

yikes after reading the last 2 pages all i got was halo,killzone,left 4 dead, resistance .......

anyway from the looks of it to me STILL they both take place in the same damn setting(army like) with the same type of charactors/guns



kjj4t9rdad on 26 March 2010

Even if these two games were exactly the same ( which they are not!!!) EA is going to get a million+ copies of BC2 sold and a million + copies of MoH. They are clearly thinking WIN WIN.

BTW, all FPS are not the same.



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twesterm on 26 March 2010

like totally, omg, one is like set 100 years back in the world war or something and the other is like from my grandfathers war in the middle east over oil. lolz



 

Chairman-Mao on 26 March 2010

Same developer, same publisher. I'm wondering the same thing as the OP.

The reason games like CoD, Resistance, Halo, Killzone, etc. are so different are they are all different Developers.



Barozi on 26 March 2010
CGI-Quality said:
^ ^ There's no winning with him. I've left that debate long ago, my point has already been proven.

Well a guy that says Resistance 2 has a "gray/brown world" and doesn't know that Halo 3 has vehicles (otherwise he wouldn't have put it in the same sentence as L4D/R2 and KZ2) is not that reliable....



dobby985 on 26 March 2010
Chairman-Mao said:
Same developer, same publisher. I'm wondering the same thing as the OP.

The reason games like CoD, Resistance, Halo, Killzone, etc. are so different are they are all different Developers.

If you knew anything about Battlefield and Medal of Honor, you would know that they are not the same.

OT: Shooters get a lot of hate on this forum. I'm sorry guys but shooters are very popular and are here to stay whether you guys like it or not!



Chairman-Mao on 26 March 2010
dobby985 said:
Chairman-Mao said:
Same developer, same publisher. I'm wondering the same thing as the OP.

The reason games like CoD, Resistance, Halo, Killzone, etc. are so different are they are all different Developers.

If you knew anything about Battlefield and Medal of Honor, you would know that they are not the same.

OT: Shooters get a lot of hate on this forum. I'm sorry guys but shooters are very popular and are here to stay whether you guys like it or not!

1. Obviously they aren't the same, but until now MoH was always WWII and Bad Company (not battlefield) has been modern. And if you knew anything about Medal of Honor you'd know this is the first one being made by DICE (who does Bad Company 2) which makes me thing its just going to be a Bad Company 2 clone.

2. I don't hate shooters, pal. For the most part they are the only game type I play besides a few exceptions.