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milkyjoe on 24 March 2010

How 'bout we you know, like, wait and see what it is going to be rather than argue pointlessly about what it might be. A novel concept, I admit, but it might just work...



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.jayderyu on 24 March 2010

Well part of the problem isn't the issue of "claims". Apple, Sony, MS, HB, IBM, Nintendo............... all have substantial R&D. It could be very well that Sony has worked on 3D lcd in there R&D before Nintendo has. That however isn't the point. What it really comes down too is. Who is willing to actually take the chance to develop such technology into a given field. Sony hypothetically speaking may have stereoscopic screens, but that doesn't mean Sony has ever intended to use it for games or even planned to bother creating a product using it.

So the question arises. Do you credit a company for developing the tech, but never release it or do you credit the company that figure out how to make it work and actually releasing it?

Fans of either side of the fence will vote that there take is the important one, but personally I believe that if the tech was made and sitting for 20 years in the R&R and some other company releases the tech. Then it's the the released company that deserves the credit. Simply because we would have never gotten to use the tech otherwise.

In other words. In hypothetical land. Yes Sony has made 3d LCD, but they didn't think customers would want it and never planned to have the PSP use it ever.



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.

Bamboleo on 24 March 2010

I'd really like to find a video on youtube about this auto-3D screens, but it seems I can't find a simple one god damit



theprof00 on 24 March 2010
redspear said:
theprof00 said:
redspear said:

No what I am saying is that there is only one product on the market that you can compare the price with and that is the Hitachi H001 with its 3.1 PB IPS LCD screen. However this phone was only available in Japan as of last year and is no longer on sale. The price would of come down since then.  Looking at the price of an 8in screen tells you nothing. 

There is nothing that indicates the 3DS having an OLED screen so that is a non sequitor you brought up after a false analgy. But even even if you look at the cost of those phones the most are heavily inflated after subsidy and cost well under 200 to make. The ZuneHD has a 3.1 OLED screen and a tegra Chip set with 16 gb of internal memory and you can buy that for 170 if you hunt around sometimes you can get it for 150. The ZuneHD is capable of better graphics then the PSP as well. 

The tech is out there and prices drop and a year from now the 3d technology will be even cheaper. The Nexus One with a 3.7 inch OLED screen cost well under 200 to make as well. But yes we are trying to avoid your questions. You say Cell Phones don't have 4 in screens I list them  You say how many are OLED which doesn't matter I list them. 

Spear, we are PAST the8" screen argument. I already agreed like 10 posts back, which is why we were looking at cellphones. Stop bringing it up, because it's getting annoying.

OLED was brought up by Grimes. The problem with the internet is that, all people tend to read is the posts with the person they are talking with. It isn't just you and me. Try to keep up.

The price of the actual components isn't the question. The question isn't "how much would nintendo make it for", but "how much would nintendo sell it for". I know that I never asked that question, but that's what I'm trying to get at. Sure you can get a ZuneHD for cheap if you shop around, but we are talking about 2 screens which aren't as mass produced as OLEDs are, and sold in a piece of hardware by a company that prefers to make a lot of profit on the console. DSi is 170$ right now. If the 3DS is a DSi with much better graphics, new control style, new components, 3d screens, it is likely it will cost more. At the moment, that could mean +40$ just for the screens. In a year, maybe it will have dropped enough to be even, but still over 200$.

Grimes said OLED tvs a re super expensive, does that mean they are too expensive for cellphones. So I said "not all cellphones have 4" screens". Then you listed the ones that did. Look, if you are going to argue, pay attention to what is said. OK. You are acing like I'm crazy and arrogant when you are completely ignorant of who is posting around you.

You asked me to list "which one of those were OLED". It doesn't matter that is was brought up by Grimes. Grimes point was that prices don't scale linearly. You wanted a prce comparison of an expensive technology we brought up cell phones and manufacture costs to which you say they are heavily subsidized. So I bring up the ZuneHD which you don't have to shop around to get for 170(unless you count Walmart and Amazon as shopping around) all you have to do is Google ZuneHD.

This is a product which will not be out until next year. The technology to drive the 3DS is rumored to be Tegra 2 because of a contract Nintendo entered into with Nvidia earlier this year. the chipset would be backwards compatable  and is the successor to the chip in the ZuneHD making it a fairere comparison. In a years time the price of the Tegra will be even cheaper. The Zune HD was released a while ago and was the first major consumer product to be released with an OLED screen and it was not mass produced back then. It cost 199 at launch. Given by the time this comes out the Tegra2 willbe in a lot more devices and much more manufactures then the original Tegra it is not hard to see how it would be cheaper.

 

 

 

 

You just said that I brought up a non sequitor in mentioning OLED. So, I corrected you. I agree that you are bringing up good points. But I don't know what your hostility is coming from. We are both just engaged in an intellectual thinking process and you are getting angry for no specific reason. I thank you for your input, but let's leave the rest at the door.

PS: So what do you think the price will be? 200 or less?



redspear on 24 March 2010

If I had to guess right now. I would say I would predict a price of 179.99. I am only basing this off speculation. I also think the DSi XL is an experiment on cost. To see how much people would pay for a portable without risking a whole new line in. IE if it failed like the GBA micro then they wouldn't price that high. It could potential be as high as 199 with the DSi XL taking to the bargain bins at 149 and lite at 99.

As for the price of the screens I can see Nintendo using its good business relationship with Sharp+ pointing out the mass sales of the original DS to engage a long term contract that would start out with Sharp selling at a loss but turning a profit by the end of the contract.



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theprof00 on 24 March 2010
redspear said:
If I had to guess right now. I would say I would predict a price of 179.99. I am only basing this off speculation. I also think the DSi XL is an experiment on cost. To see how much people would pay for a portable without risking a whole new line in. IE if it failed like the GBA micro then they wouldn't price that high. It could potential be as high as 199 with the DSi XL taking to the bargain bins at 149 and lite at 99.

As for the price of the screens I can see Nintendo using its good business relationship with Sharp+ pointing out the mass sales of the original DS to engage a long term contract that would start out with Sharp selling at a loss but turning a profit by the end of the contract.

I am going to say 229$, would you like to make it a bet? We can negotiate terms later. This way, we have some kind of conclusion to this mess and is related to the topic at hand. ??



PhalanxCO on 24 March 2010

@prof and redspear:

Can we get back to more important things? Like arguing about who came up with it first?



theprof00 on 24 March 2010
PhalanxCO said:
@prof and redspear:

Can we get back to more important things? Like arguing about who came up with it firs

EL-OH-EL



redspear on 24 March 2010
theprof00 said:
redspear said:
If I had to guess right now. I would say I would predict a price of 179.99. I am only basing this off speculation. I also think the DSi XL is an experiment on cost. To see how much people would pay for a portable without risking a whole new line in. IE if it failed like the GBA micro then they wouldn't price that high. It could potential be as high as 199 with the DSi XL taking to the bargain bins at 149 and lite at 99.

As for the price of the screens I can see Nintendo using its good business relationship with Sharp+ pointing out the mass sales of the original DS to engage a long term contract that would start out with Sharp selling at a loss but turning a profit by the end of the contract.

I am going to say 229$, would you like to make it a bet? We can negotiate terms later. This way, we have some kind of conclusion to this mess and is related to the topic at hand. ??

No problem. I do think it will be under 199. For starters my understanding of the tech means only additional layer is required either the lenticular lenses or the barrier methods. Their doesn't appear to be any exotic materials involved so the key is just mass production of the layers and and adding them to an IPS screen which can be had for cheap at this size now. All right. Game On.



theprof00 on 24 March 2010
redspear said:
theprof00 said:
redspear said:
If I had to guess right now. I would say I would predict a price of 179.99. I am only basing this off speculation. I also think the DSi XL is an experiment on cost. To see how much people would pay for a portable without risking a whole new line in. IE if it failed like the GBA micro then they wouldn't price that high. It could potential be as high as 199 with the DSi XL taking to the bargain bins at 149 and lite at 99.

As for the price of the screens I can see Nintendo using its good business relationship with Sharp+ pointing out the mass sales of the original DS to engage a long term contract that would start out with Sharp selling at a loss but turning a profit by the end of the contract.

I am going to say 229$, would you like to make it a bet? We can negotiate terms later. This way, we have some kind of conclusion to this mess and is related to the topic at hand. ??

No problem. I do think it will be under 199. For starters my understanding of the tech means only additional layer is required either the lenticular lenses or the barrier methods. Their doesn't appear to be any exotic materials involved so the key is just mass production of the layers and and adding them to an IPS screen which can be had for cheap at this size now. All right. Game On.

Well you completely forgot that there is a 100$ bill folded up in the side casing of every 3DS. This will be all too easy.