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theRepublic on 23 March 2010
NiKKoM said:

just to be fair, i'll post the North American chart:

from:http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/090508/05.html

Nice.  I haven't seen the US version of that chart.



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radiantshadow92 on 23 March 2010
milkyjoe said:
radiantshadow92 said:
huaxiong90 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
huaxiong90 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
huaxiong90 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
theRepublic said:
ShadowSoldier said:
NiKKoM said:
Didn't Sony get the note that Nintendo products aren't only bought by 8 and 9 year olds?

sigh, how many times do we have to go over this? Despite what many of you claim, The DS is targeted towards a "kiddie" audience and the Wii is as well. The people who buy games like Final Fantasy, MGS, Uncharted and Halo are in the severe minority when it comes to Nintendo consoles, which is the audience Sony and Microsoft are pushing for.

Stop with the BS.

i refuse to believe that graph, i have NEVER seen a 34 year old man or woman with a NDS.......whehter anyone likes it or not...nintendo wants to hit a demographic that has do with kids, theres nothing wrong with it, but its just what they are MAINlY trying to do

This graph is in reference to Japan. Unless I'm mistaken, note the (Tokyo, Osaka).

either way, it doesnt cover the DS population...its result has nearly no meaning to what the one who is posted it is trying to show

The basic idea he's trying to give is the appeal the Nintendo DS has to adults.

what i am saying is that this graph does not show it considering the sample number...now if it was 20% or hell even 10%, i would agree to some sense, but the sample is less than one percent....yeah, could have asked anyone in that "interview survey"

No offense to you, but I'm beginning to think either:

 

1. You lack knowledge on how statistics work.

or

2. You're grasping at straws.

im sorry but WHY again do you think i lack knowledge in statics?...i would really love to know your reasoning, seriously....i really wanna know why im wrong in this

http://www.sysurvey.com/tips/sampling.htm

"For the majority of surveys, the sample size is between 200 and 2000. A sample below 200 is useful only if you have a very low budget, and little or no information on what proportion of the population engages in the activity of most interest to you — or if the entire population is not much larger than that. A sample size over 2000 is probably a waste of time and money, unless there are subgroups of the population, which must be studied in detail."

"Consider this question: if a survey in a town with 10,000 people needs a sample of 400 for a given level of accuracy, what sample size would you need for the same level of accuracy in the whole country, with a population of 10,000,000? (That's 1000 times the population of the town.)

Did you guess 400,000? Many people do. The correct answer is 400.4 - you might as well call it 400."

Thank you, and goodnight.

thank you, that was a great post which showed me the error of my ways....but its all relative, and i still think that poll isnt to be taken seriously....



Ssenkahdavic on 23 March 2010

Nice to see a press release these days about another company (MS/Sony/Ninty) technology that does not bear a striking resemblance to a food fight at a kindergarten.

Good job Sony, keep it up.



 

  

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huaxiong90 on 23 March 2010
miz1q2w3e said:
huaxiong90 said:

I understand that, and I fully agree (well other than the demographic part, from what I've read, PS3 owners are generally 18 and older).

I just think people are getting too offended over nothing here. It was an ignorant thing to ignore the older audience, no doubt, but like I said I do recall reading Nintendo aimed mainly for the younger audience with the DS when it launched. So, maybe he just assumed they're still following that strategy (which of course, is wrong). I don't think this was aggressive/arrogant like some other PR they've done before.


you do have a point there, but just because it's not as bad/worse than before doesn't automatically make it *good*. BS is BS, i can't beleive they're still trying to label the DS as a handheld for "8 and 9 year olds"

It's either just plain ignorance, or again, just a spin using a reference to one of the major demographics of the Nintendo DS just to be on the safe side, something common in PR.

 

Trust me, in no way am I desperately searching for ways to vindicate his comment just to defend Sony (I've ALWAYS been a Nintendo supporter, and this gen is no different). But I think people are overreacting. This is just PR, a common business practice, and it doesn't even come close to some of the most arrogant out there.



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theRepublic on 23 March 2010
alfredofroylan said:
Isn't funny how a thread could move so quickly based on 2 graphs of something that almost everybody know?

Well, when some people want to deny it...



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Cheebee on 23 March 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
Cheebee said:
PEOPLE!

Let's stop derailing the thread.
Everyone and their grandma knows DS appeals to a wide demographic, probably the widest ever across all videogame related machines. And definitely to a much, much wider audience than, say, PSP, for example. If one or several individuals don't want to hear that, so be it. Too bad for them, but let's stop trying to convince them with endless arguments, because we all know it's no use talking to brick walls.

Let's all just move on.

i would if people stopped making me look retarted with thier posts..i mean cmon "grasping at straws" ...i really hate it when someone calls someone else an idiot when that idiot is just trying to back up thier reasoning..

That's why I said 'people', as in, addressing everyone. Let's stop this madness and move on. Leave each other be and start discussing something else. In a less demeaning way, to everyone.



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Max King of the Wild on 23 March 2010
theRepublic said:
NiKKoM said:

just to be fair, i'll post the North American chart:

from:http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/090508/05.html

Nice.  I haven't seen the US version of that chart.

The 2 charts combined looks to back up sonys statement of the demographics. Maybe not their statement that those demographics wont play it. That remains to be seen. Maybe 5 years after 3ds launches and we see similiar charts.

 

Hilarious nintendo fans craying over an accurate statement. lol



Khuutra on 23 March 2010
radiantshadow92 said:

thank you, that was a great post which showed me the error of my ways....but its all relative, and i still think that poll isnt to be taken seriously....

There is no defensible reason for you to dismiss that graph now. The only reason you coul do it now is because it doesn't fit your worldview, which is frankly too bad.

The point has been proven that the implication concerninng the DS's demographic (which was your point even if the PR had nothing to do with that) is fallacious. That's all there is.



radiantshadow92 on 23 March 2010
dtewi said:
radiantshadow92 said:
NiKKoM said:

just to be fair, i'll post the North American chart:

from:http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/090508/05.html

this is what i am talking about...different region, larger poll, and more specific survey 

Different region - so?

Larger poll - actually, the percentage of americans surveyed is less here than % of Japan surveyed

More specific - it isn't more specific!

1. customs are different, so demographic changes

2.yes the larger poll doesnt really matter, because, its not by much anyways

3.telephone and mall survey is much more specific then interview survey



Samus Aran on 23 March 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
Samus Aran said:
radiantshadow92 said:
milkyjoe said:
radiantshadow92 said:
theRepublic said:
ShadowSoldier said:
NiKKoM said:
Didn't Sony get the note that Nintendo products aren't only bought by 8 and 9 year olds?

sigh, how many times do we have to go over this? Despite what many of you claim, The DS is targeted towards a "kiddie" audience and the Wii is as well. The people who buy games like Final Fantasy, MGS, Uncharted and Halo are in the severe minority when it comes to Nintendo consoles, which is the audience Sony and Microsoft are pushing for.

Stop with the BS.

i refuse to believe that graph, i have NEVER seen a 34 year old man or woman with a NDS.......whehter anyone likes it or not...nintendo wants to hit a demographic that has do with kids, theres nothing wrong with it, but its just what they are MAINlY trying to do

 

OH and not only that, but its sample of 3000....really?...thats um idk .000234 percent of the DS pop

Haha. So basically what you're saying is, I DO NOT ACCEPT THESE STATISTICS WITH A VERIFIABLE SOURCE AS THEY GO AGAINST MY CORE BELIEF WHICH I HAVE JUST THIS SECOND MADE UP ON THE SPOT.

no..i am saying i dont accept this source because it samples 3000 people out of the entire DS population...the sample number is weak compared to the total number...stop trying to make me look like an idiot...really, its just a debate nothing to get worked over about and go all caps on me >_>

Time to learn statistics buddy. A large part of history is based on statistics only.

....and i am using statics in my argument >_>....im acutally taking a class this year ^_^.....and your trying to make me look dumb by stating the obvious...theres no need for that

I'm not saying you're dumb, statistics isn't easy.