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WereKitten said:
Kasz216 said:

Also, i'll note Roger EBERT reviews movies he walked out of.

This is one of the most respected movie reviewers in a field of critical review that is MUCH more advanced then Video Games.

In fact... Roger Ebert reviewed Tru Loved... a movie he walked out on.

How long into the movie was he? 8 minutes.

...

I don't know if Jim Sterling played through all of FFXIII, but the difference in this case would be that of public disclosure. It's ok if a critic walks out of a movie or if he/she does not complete a game 100%.

But he should inform the reader of what he is reviewing, be it 8 or 80 mintues of a movie, 50% or 95% of a game. That's obviously necessary for the reader to put the review in a context.

That i'd agree with, He should of said.  "I quit after chapter 12 it was so bad."

That's about all you can critisize him for though.

Editors however often edit out the  "I left after a while" lines.



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Boutros said:
Kasz216 said:
Boutros said:
Most reviewers claim Final Fantasy XIII is linear and stuff like that during the first half of the game but it gets better after that.

And yes I believe a game needs to be completed in order to review it. I think it's quite normal really.

It looks like he got pretty far based on the achivements.  It's not like he stopped during the first half of the game.

But let me get this straight.  Lets say you start playing a game, where the controls are so bad... you can barely chohesivly control your character.  Do you believe it's the reviewers duty to play through that to complete a game, when he KNOWS the game is going to get a shit review anyway?

After a while if a game is bad enough there is NOTHING that is going to save it.

Some people hated The Sixth Sense until they saw the end.

 

I still think it's an obligation for a reviewer to complete the game he's reviewing no matter how bad it is.

 

Edit: Yeah like Werekitten said, he should then mention what he's reviewing if he didn't complete it.

If it takes the last minute to make a movie good... it's not really a good movie.



lestatdark said:
Kilzoned82 said:

All of the chapters in the game were terrible to him. He does not recommend the game to anyone. A 4 out of 10 seems like a harsh score. But if you rated the main series FF games against each other FFXIII would be at the bottom of the pile. 4 out 10 when rating the FF games against each other would be justified for FFXIII.

FFXIII is the lowest rated FF main series game of all time.

Actually, since pre-SNES FF's weren't rated, the only ratings you can go with are the remakes for GBA/DS/PSP. Both FF, FFII and FFIII have very average scores, much lower than FFXIII.

So no, FFXIII isn't the lowest rated FF main series game :P

 

Psshhh... everyone knows FF started with FFVII.

So in that sense it is the lowest rated main series FF game.



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Euphoria14 said:
lestatdark said:
Kilzoned82 said:

All of the chapters in the game were terrible to him. He does not recommend the game to anyone. A 4 out of 10 seems like a harsh score. But if you rated the main series FF games against each other FFXIII would be at the bottom of the pile. 4 out 10 when rating the FF games against each other would be justified for FFXIII.

FFXIII is the lowest rated FF main series game of all time.

Actually, since pre-SNES FF's weren't rated, the only ratings you can go with are the remakes for GBA/DS/PSP. Both FF, FFII and FFIII have very average scores, much lower than FFXIII.

So no, FFXIII isn't the lowest rated FF main series game :P

 

Psshhh... everyone knows FF started with FFVII.

Silly me, I forgot that XD Oh, and FFVI is actually FFIII too :P



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lestatdark said:
Euphoria14 said:
lestatdark said:
Kilzoned82 said:

All of the chapters in the game were terrible to him. He does not recommend the game to anyone. A 4 out of 10 seems like a harsh score. But if you rated the main series FF games against each other FFXIII would be at the bottom of the pile. 4 out 10 when rating the FF games against each other would be justified for FFXIII.

FFXIII is the lowest rated FF main series game of all time.

Actually, since pre-SNES FF's weren't rated, the only ratings you can go with are the remakes for GBA/DS/PSP. Both FF, FFII and FFIII have very average scores, much lower than FFXIII.

So no, FFXIII isn't the lowest rated FF main series game :P

 

Psshhh... everyone knows FF started with FFVII.

Silly me, I forgot that XD Oh, and FFVI is actually FFIII too :P

Oh yeah? Well, FFIV is actually FFII too!



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Euphoria14 said:
lestatdark said:
Euphoria14 said:
lestatdark said:
Kilzoned82 said:

All of the chapters in the game were terrible to him. He does not recommend the game to anyone. A 4 out of 10 seems like a harsh score. But if you rated the main series FF games against each other FFXIII would be at the bottom of the pile. 4 out 10 when rating the FF games against each other would be justified for FFXIII.

FFXIII is the lowest rated FF main series game of all time.

Actually, since pre-SNES FF's weren't rated, the only ratings you can go with are the remakes for GBA/DS/PSP. Both FF, FFII and FFIII have very average scores, much lower than FFXIII.

So no, FFXIII isn't the lowest rated FF main series game :P

 

Psshhh... everyone knows FF started with FFVII.

Silly me, I forgot that XD Oh, and FFVI is actually FFIII too :P

Oh yeah? Well, FFIV is actually FFII too!

Bah, no it isn't! >_> FFII is FFIV sissy mode :P FFIV is not for FF noobs :P 



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Kasz216 said:

Also, i'll note Roger EBERT reviews movies he walked out of.

This is one of the most respected movie reviewers in a field of critical review that is MUCH more advanced then Video Games.

In fact... Roger Ebert reviewed Tru Loved... a movie he walked out on.

How long into the movie was he? 8 minutes.

 

"In some way, a film must seal the deal with us. It must make us willing to watch to the end. Even when a film doesn't do that for me, I keep watching because, if nothing else, I can get evidence for a negative review.

With this film, I believed I had all the ammo I needed, not involving the movie's story, but its competence. It did not seal the deal. It left me with no confidence that it would be able to. If nothing else, I hope the review reflected the stream of consciousness that can take place when a movie loses a viewer's sympathy and goes wrong."

I believe the same holds true for videogames. 

Exactly. Film critics put up with a lot less shit from movie buffs than game critics put up from `hardcore`gamers. It`s a thankless job (and a lot of game reviewers are getting laid off to boot. I don`t envy those guys). And it`s pretty much accepted that film reviews are mainly based on opinion. Whereas with game reviews, most `hardcore`gamers don`t have the emotional intelligence to not take offense when a reviewer disliked a game they liked. Gamers deserve the stigma they get in society considering the way they act and conduct themselves. There is a lot of e-machismo and masculinity envy in the gaming community (a bunch of socially awkward nerds talking all big on the internet running their mouth about some reviewer behind their computer screen because the reviewer gave a game they like a score they didn`t agree with). Having spent time on gaming internet forums or playing online, it`s easy to develop a dislike for gamers and wanting to dissassociate yourself from people who happen to share a major hobby of yours.



twesterm said:

Again, forgive my ignorance since I don't really visit the compare trophies screen, but it looks like he has a lot of trophies. I can't tell if those one below it or locked or not since I don't really know what to look for but he has 63% of the trophies.

That's 22 of the 35 trophies and when 13 of them look to be story trophies it seems like he could have completed most of the game.

I know in most 360 games you can finish with anywhere from 400-600 points so I would assume trophies would be the same deal.

That would be the % he is through  the next "level" it's about total trophy count and not game specific. 



well, if you're going to say you finished the game, then at least finish it. I see no problem with the accusations here.

Here is a paraphrase from Jim-
HEAVY RAIN- "At first, this starts simply. Hold X, then keep X held while pressing Triangle, now keep Triangle and X held while pushing R1. However, as the game continues, one can end up playing Twister with their fingers as they struggle to keep the buttons held while accessing new ones."

Actually, there is not one point in the game where you have to "cross" buttons ie x+triangle, circle+square. It may go "Circle->triangle->square", but you never have to have more than one finger on the button pad. He also blamed the trembling on not knowing which button to press and moving indicators as "frustrating to the experience". Boohoo Jim. Boohoo. Maybe in deadly premonition you should have criticized that it was hard to hit enemies because they warp around.



Kasz216 said:
Boutros said:
Kasz216 said:
Boutros said:
Most reviewers claim Final Fantasy XIII is linear and stuff like that during the first half of the game but it gets better after that.

And yes I believe a game needs to be completed in order to review it. I think it's quite normal really.

It looks like he got pretty far based on the achivements.  It's not like he stopped during the first half of the game.

But let me get this straight.  Lets say you start playing a game, where the controls are so bad... you can barely chohesivly control your character.  Do you believe it's the reviewers duty to play through that to complete a game, when he KNOWS the game is going to get a shit review anyway?

After a while if a game is bad enough there is NOTHING that is going to save it.

Some people hated The Sixth Sense until they saw the end.

 

I still think it's an obligation for a reviewer to complete the game he's reviewing no matter how bad it is.

 

Edit: Yeah like Werekitten said, he should then mention what he's reviewing if he didn't complete it.

If it takes the last minute to make a movie good... it's not really a good movie.

If you say "the last chapter was eggregious rubbish", you'd better have played it. The climax and denouement are some of the most important parts of any narrative.