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Have Microsoft solidified themselves as a gaming giant equal to Sony?

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Funny thread. MS sells a few million consoles and now it's party time.

Look at Sony studios and 1st party games, seriously. Sony kills MS with one hand in games quality and quantity.

Plus, PSP, PS1, PS2 and PS3 sold more combined than MS will ever dream of.



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mario64 said:
Funny thread. MS sells a few million consoles and now it's party time.

Look at Sony studios and 1st party games, seriously. Sony kills MS with one hand in games quality and quantity.

Plus, PSP, PS1, PS2 and PS3 sold more combined than MS will ever dream of.


why did you name yourself mario64?



Offtopic question. I happen to love Mario 64 too.



Untamoi said:
WilliamWatts said:

Operating systems are platforms which unify distinct hardware under the one umbrella. What the user does with the system is up to the user. For example it seems that more people buy the PSP for media playback than gaming based off attach rates. Does that mean that the PSP doesn't count as a platform for gaming? In addition to this, as future consoles do far more than gaming as well then how do you categorise them?

The iTouch, Phone and soon Pad are the same ecosystem even though they are three distinct pieces of hardware. People have no trouble describing them as a unified platform and they have no problem with the idea that part of their appeal is the mobile games and apps you can get on all three. Windows mobile 7 is also fairly unified in terms of the hardware basis for the phones even if the manufacturers are distinctly different.

In the home operating system space, Microsoft seems to have spent considerable time and money developing their gaming related tools and APIs. Infact both the Xbox 360 and PS3 bear Microsofts influence in the design of their respective GPUs. Its no happy accident that a wide range of gaming does happen on the Microsoft system and people are aware that if they wish to play games they have to go Windows. How does this not add to their overall gaming 'presence'?

 

There are some differences between Windows and console platforms and, I believe, iTouch and iPhone. MS doesn't get any money from Windows games because there are no license fees for games. And MS has no control over who publishes games for Windows because anyone can release and sell games for Windows without permission from MS. MS only gets money from development tools, API's and OS sales. It doesn't matter if game would not even be released or it would sell 100 million copies or only pirates would download the game because MS would not get a penny from game sales. All money to MS comes indirectly from other sources. I am assuming this also applies to Windows mobile (could be wrong though). Only games from which MS gets money directly are games which MS has published and/or developed.

Apple mainly gets money from the hardware they sell and Microsoft mainly get money from the operating system they sell. Gaming is to sell operating systems for them so they still get a cut that way. Remember each copy of Windows is $50 or more in terms of revenue. That makes them a part of the gaming industry even if they do not directly interact with publishers or consumers.



WilliamWatts said:
Untamoi said:
WilliamWatts said:

Operating systems are platforms which unify distinct hardware under the one umbrella. What the user does with the system is up to the user. For example it seems that more people buy the PSP for media playback than gaming based off attach rates. Does that mean that the PSP doesn't count as a platform for gaming? In addition to this, as future consoles do far more than gaming as well then how do you categorise them?

The iTouch, Phone and soon Pad are the same ecosystem even though they are three distinct pieces of hardware. People have no trouble describing them as a unified platform and they have no problem with the idea that part of their appeal is the mobile games and apps you can get on all three. Windows mobile 7 is also fairly unified in terms of the hardware basis for the phones even if the manufacturers are distinctly different.

In the home operating system space, Microsoft seems to have spent considerable time and money developing their gaming related tools and APIs. Infact both the Xbox 360 and PS3 bear Microsofts influence in the design of their respective GPUs. Its no happy accident that a wide range of gaming does happen on the Microsoft system and people are aware that if they wish to play games they have to go Windows. How does this not add to their overall gaming 'presence'?

 

There are some differences between Windows and console platforms and, I believe, iTouch and iPhone. MS doesn't get any money from Windows games because there are no license fees for games. And MS has no control over who publishes games for Windows because anyone can release and sell games for Windows without permission from MS. MS only gets money from development tools, API's and OS sales. It doesn't matter if game would not even be released or it would sell 100 million copies or only pirates would download the game because MS would not get a penny from game sales. All money to MS comes indirectly from other sources. I am assuming this also applies to Windows mobile (could be wrong though). Only games from which MS gets money directly are games which MS has published and/or developed.

Apple mainly gets money from the hardware they sell and Microsoft mainly get money from the operating system they sell. Gaming is to sell operating systems for them so they still get a cut that way. Remember each copy of Windows is $50 or more in terms of revenue. That makes them a part of the gaming industry even if they do not directly interact with publishers or consumers.

But Microsoft sell Windows mostly to companies. End users either get it preinstalled (at a cost of $30-$50) or pirate it. Moreover Apple systems are much more locked in, you can't sell apps for the iPhone if you don't use the Apple dev-kits, while on the other hand you can use wathever you want on Windows.

(btw i played the last remnant and bioshock on linux, using wine...)



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Booh! said:
WilliamWatts said:

Apple mainly gets money from the hardware they sell and Microsoft mainly get money from the operating system they sell. Gaming is to sell operating systems for them so they still get a cut that way. Remember each copy of Windows is $50 or more in terms of revenue. That makes them a part of the gaming industry even if they do not directly interact with publishers or consumers.

But Microsoft sell Windows mostly to companies. End users either get it preinstalled (at a cost of $30-$50) or pirate it. Moreover Apple systems are much more locked in, you can't sell apps for the iPhone if you don't use the Apple dev-kits, while on the other hand you can use wathever you want on Windows.

(btw i played the last remnant and bioshock on linux, using wine...)

The idea of a physical box is dead. They sell platforms now. So the question of what particular hardware anything runs on is pretty irrelevant. The fact that 96% of all PC gaming is done on a Windows platform makes Microsoft a much bigger giant in gaming than Sony even if they don't have a direct involvement or a cut from games developed on the Windows platform. It doesn't matter whether they are involved directly or indirectly. Its still their platform and the gaming is still taking place there and in most cases its in exclusion of other platforms.



WilliamWatts said:
Booh! said:
WilliamWatts said:

Apple mainly gets money from the hardware they sell and Microsoft mainly get money from the operating system they sell. Gaming is to sell operating systems for them so they still get a cut that way. Remember each copy of Windows is $50 or more in terms of revenue. That makes them a part of the gaming industry even if they do not directly interact with publishers or consumers.

But Microsoft sell Windows mostly to companies. End users either get it preinstalled (at a cost of $30-$50) or pirate it. Moreover Apple systems are much more locked in, you can't sell apps for the iPhone if you don't use the Apple dev-kits, while on the other hand you can use wathever you want on Windows.

(btw i played the last remnant and bioshock on linux, using wine...)

The idea of a physical box is dead. They sell platforms now. So the question of what particular hardware anything runs on is pretty irrelevant. The fact that 96% of all PC gaming is done on a Windows platform makes Microsoft a much bigger giant in gaming than Sony even if they don't have a direct involvement or a cut from games developed on the Windows platform. It doesn't matter whether they are involved directly or indirectly. Its still their platform and the gaming is still taking place there and in most cases its in exclusion of other platforms.

and most of the software it's pirated, they are still more games being developed for consoles and  handheld than windows platform

unless u count games like sweepmines, and flash games.

microsoft remaining markets are windows and office.

windows mobile failed, zune failed and 360 isn't first this gen either.



Xoj said:
WilliamWatts said:
Booh! said:
WilliamWatts said:

Apple mainly gets money from the hardware they sell and Microsoft mainly get money from the operating system they sell. Gaming is to sell operating systems for them so they still get a cut that way. Remember each copy of Windows is $50 or more in terms of revenue. That makes them a part of the gaming industry even if they do not directly interact with publishers or consumers.

But Microsoft sell Windows mostly to companies. End users either get it preinstalled (at a cost of $30-$50) or pirate it. Moreover Apple systems are much more locked in, you can't sell apps for the iPhone if you don't use the Apple dev-kits, while on the other hand you can use wathever you want on Windows.

(btw i played the last remnant and bioshock on linux, using wine...)

The idea of a physical box is dead. They sell platforms now. So the question of what particular hardware anything runs on is pretty irrelevant. The fact that 96% of all PC gaming is done on a Windows platform makes Microsoft a much bigger giant in gaming than Sony even if they don't have a direct involvement or a cut from games developed on the Windows platform. It doesn't matter whether they are involved directly or indirectly. Its still their platform and the gaming is still taking place there and in most cases its in exclusion of other platforms.

and most of the software it's pirated, they are still more games being developed for consoles and  handheld than windows platform

unless u count games like sweepmines, and flash games.

microsoft remaining markets are windows and office.

windows mobile failed, zune failed and 360 isn't first this gen either.

If you put it that way then:

  • Sony LCD = failed (2nd to Samsung)
  • Sony Walkman = failed.
  • SE = failed
  • SCE = failed.
  • PS3 = failed.
  • PSP = failed.
  • PS2 = failing.

You know, because being first is everything...



WilliamWatts said:
Xoj said:
WilliamWatts said:
Booh! said:
WilliamWatts said:

Apple mainly gets money from the hardware they sell and Microsoft mainly get money from the operating system they sell. Gaming is to sell operating systems for them so they still get a cut that way. Remember each copy of Windows is $50 or more in terms of revenue. That makes them a part of the gaming industry even if they do not directly interact with publishers or consumers.

But Microsoft sell Windows mostly to companies. End users either get it preinstalled (at a cost of $30-$50) or pirate it. Moreover Apple systems are much more locked in, you can't sell apps for the iPhone if you don't use the Apple dev-kits, while on the other hand you can use wathever you want on Windows.

(btw i played the last remnant and bioshock on linux, using wine...)

The idea of a physical box is dead. They sell platforms now. So the question of what particular hardware anything runs on is pretty irrelevant. The fact that 96% of all PC gaming is done on a Windows platform makes Microsoft a much bigger giant in gaming than Sony even if they don't have a direct involvement or a cut from games developed on the Windows platform. It doesn't matter whether they are involved directly or indirectly. Its still their platform and the gaming is still taking place there and in most cases its in exclusion of other platforms.

and most of the software it's pirated, they are still more games being developed for consoles and  handheld than windows platform

unless u count games like sweepmines, and flash games.

microsoft remaining markets are windows and office.

windows mobile failed, zune failed and 360 isn't first this gen either.

If you put it that way then:

  • Sony LCD = failed (2nd to Samsung)
  • Sony Walkman = failed.
  • SE = failed
  • SCE = failed.
  • PS3 = failed.
  • PSP = failed.
  • PS2 = failing.

You know, because being first is everything...

well walkman , and sony TV were #1 for a good time, and samsung isn't first anymore LG have managed to steal thunder its recent quarters.

and the ps3 = failed :p, PS2 no :p all those devices except the ps3 made huge amount of money.

 

windows mobile zune, 360 are still billions looses, bigger than ps3 is.



pizzahut451 said:
yo_john117 said:
pizzahut451 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
pizzahut451 said:
Garnett said:
SpartanFX said:
Garnett said:
You know this site is ran by Sony fans when they choose "Not even close", to them i say

"Who has a 5 million lead? Aww to soon??" then i LOL

well to be fair the question is Sony Vs MS and NOT PS3 vs X360.Sony had almost 40% of revenue in gaming last week whereas MS had only 13 %.

 

to you I say 

"who has 3 platforms on the market???" :P

True, but the brand power is what the OP was talking about.

Xbox and GFWL vs PS3 and ?? (PSP is just about to die and so is the PS2)

 

Xbox brand is equal with the Playstation brand.

 

PS2 alone doubled the sales of Xbox and Xbox 360 together


and that is history my friend. welcome to 2010.

So? Its still a fact that proves that proves that PlayStation brand is 5X stronger. How many Xbox consoles sold over 100 millon? Or even 50 million? Hell, not even a Nintendo console sold over 100 million (notice i said console, not handheld)

No no no, WAS 5x stronger, not is.


So PS2 is not a part of PlayStation brand anymore?

Is the PS2 selling more than the Xbox 360?