Zucas said:
Well in a utopian society, captialism would be unnecessary. The reason for a lot of things in capitalism, is to account for human nature, or so they think. In a utopian society, or even the one the communists thought of, there is no such thing as human nature as most of those societies don't think human nature exists. Everyone is a product of their environment. If all they know is good, then they will only do good things. Is actually what Walden II by B.F. Skinner discusses, although it wasn't necessarily to make them good but make a perfect society. Of course, many don't like the idea of taking "free will" out, but if humans can be so easily manipulated it makes you wonder if free will existed to begin with.
but that's the thing, we don't know if there are "good" people or "bad" people. Hell we don't even know what "good" and "bad" is. Especially for those who believe in moral objectivity, especially one that comes from a higher power. For all those people know, that god could think rape is good. I know this is a huge nature versus nurture argument, but I just have problems expecting that a little creature like a human born, has anything other than his biological processes. Everything he knows about the world, has to come from the world. It's just hard to think, at least for me, that human is encoded with something that makes him more prone to things the society likes or doens't like.
But interesting topic, but rather deep eh. |
That's not exactly true... though you are right in that communist utopias the main idea was to "brainwash" people to make sure everyone was treated equally. The problem being of course, it wouldn't hold if any capialist societies existed... because well... braindrain.
Not all Utopias are in fact Communist Utopias however. For example Capitalist utopias are utopias where everybody is a good enough person that they will provide for the poor.
You have no government intervention in almost anything, like the later stages of a communist utopia. However the BIG difference is.... people are still paid based on what they do... meaning to get around the problem of low motivation. Since in fact there is "extra" wealth then is needed for everybody to live good lives... that "extra" wealth is given around to everybody... and everybody who is below the standard gets taken care of by people who are more generous above the line. This also fixes the problems of "various levels".
Because if you and I are both given the same amount of money, or same amount of stuff... that by no means will mean we will both be equally as happy. Which is generally the biggest yet never brought up flaw of communism. Communism gives you relative physical outcome similarties, but actually may make relative mental outcomes LESS equal.
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