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Would you support a parenthood licence?

Yes 17 37.78%
 
No 17 37.78%
 
No, except for in certain... 11 24.44%
 
Other 0 0%
 
Total:45

bizzarely enough, no, I do not support this idea

1) surely this is a MASSIVE breach of peoples rights?
2) how do you decide what you need for a liscence?
3) if someone has no liscence and gets pregnant, are you telling me we should FORCE them to abort it or put it up for adoption? seriously?



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The criteria and definition of a "good parent" is way too broad and subjective. Sure there's the "exception" options, with qualities that unanimously are agreed as being bad for child rearing. But, what about raising kids religiously? Doing certain surgeries on them, or refusing certain medical procedures? What about different views on the importance of education?

All I can see a license doing is simply trying to prevent the certain "exceptions" from happening (negligence, abuse, etc). But, I don't think that'll really help, as those "exceptions" should be common sense anyway.



highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:

No. While I think it would be a great idea... since there are a lot of bad parents out there.

It would infringe on peoples rights.

The only exception I'd see is pedophiles. Who I'm fairly certain couldn't have kids anyway based on the terms of their parole.

Besides, only REALLY stupid people probably couldn't fake their way through the test... and what's the enforcement? If your pregnant but don't get a license the state forces you to have an abortion?

If it's just "they take your baby away at the hospital, people just won't go to the hospital and even worse... won't take their children to the hospital... or enrole them in schools etc.

For faking the test, it would be like a drivers licence. You can't actually get one until you've had lots of practice and you're good at driving, otherwise it' just dangerous. I would imagine that a parents licence were handed you would have to attend parenting lessons, have an evaluation of your competence made and someone would assess the environment you intend to raise them in. Or something along those lines.

As for enforcing it, I'm not sure how it would be done I'm afraid, at this stage it is purely a hypothetical situation. Maybe this part of the discussion will develop later.

Regarding enforcement, I don't think you really could without vastly changing the political (constitutions, etc) and ideological landscape.

The closest thing I see as feasible is to withdraw any financial or social support to people who have children without authorization. And even that would surely generate a shitstorm...

As much as I think that some people shouldn't be parents, I don't think I can support something so controversial.

 



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mirgro said:
highwaystar101 said:
mirgro said:
Stupid people really need to reproduce less. That or their stupid offspring shouldn't have the "survival of the fittest" natural law removed for them.

Point being, there should be a lot less stupid people in some way.

You mean eugenics?

That was once a very popular idea until the *ahem* unpleasantness. 

Eugenics is a great idea, just like communism. Sadly it shares a lot more with communism than just the good idea part.

This is what I am saying. If you have a cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60, it would die off and have a very small chance of reproducing. If it does reproduce then its children would probably die off. The point is, any cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60 is doomed. The 20mph cheetahs would most certainly would not be outnumbering the 60mph runners and they certainly wouldn't be breeding more than the 60mph ones either.

That's the best "slow" metaphor I could come up with. I don't think we should restrict births per se, but we should definitely lax back on preventing survival of the fittest. I know that sounds horrible, but face it. We're here because of survival of the fittest, and in the past century we have started to eliminate it almost thoroughly.

I know, I understand your point completely. To use the example you gave. Like Communism, Eugenics looks good on paper; but when it is put it into practice it generally does not work well.



highwaystar101 said:
mirgro said:
highwaystar101 said:
mirgro said:
Stupid people really need to reproduce less. That or their stupid offspring shouldn't have the "survival of the fittest" natural law removed for them.

Point being, there should be a lot less stupid people in some way.

You mean eugenics?

That was once a very popular idea until the *ahem* unpleasantness. 

Eugenics is a great idea, just like communism. Sadly it shares a lot more with communism than just the good idea part.

This is what I am saying. If you have a cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60, it would die off and have a very small chance of reproducing. If it does reproduce then its children would probably die off. The point is, any cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60 is doomed. The 20mph cheetahs would most certainly would not be outnumbering the 60mph runners and they certainly wouldn't be breeding more than the 60mph ones either.

That's the best "slow" metaphor I could come up with. I don't think we should restrict births per se, but we should definitely lax back on preventing survival of the fittest. I know that sounds horrible, but face it. We're here because of survival of the fittest, and in the past century we have started to eliminate it almost thoroughly.

I know, I understand your point completely. To use the example you gave. Like Communism, Eugenics looks good on paper; but when it is put it into practice it generally does not work well.

I'm glad you do, not many do and think I'm fucked up in some way. The funny thing is that I am extremely liberal yet I support the removal of a system that keeps so many people up and going.



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No.

Or rather, I would support a parenthood license if and only if a fair and reliable means of predicting who will be a good parent and who will not could be devised and applied. I don't believe that such a test is possible, and so I do not support any kind of parental licensing.



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That's the kind of crazy idea I'd only expect to see in sci-fi movies featuring all seeing government intervention and strange curfews for no reason other than control. Most kids are accidents. There's no way around that. We won't be able to get to a point where enough people plan to have kids and will responsibly get a license to obtain the rights to have one.



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highwaystar101 said:
mirgro said:
highwaystar101 said:
mirgro said:
Stupid people really need to reproduce less. That or their stupid offspring shouldn't have the "survival of the fittest" natural law removed for them.

Point being, there should be a lot less stupid people in some way.

You mean eugenics?

That was once a very popular idea until the *ahem* unpleasantness. 

Eugenics is a great idea, just like communism. Sadly it shares a lot more with communism than just the good idea part.

This is what I am saying. If you have a cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60, it would die off and have a very small chance of reproducing. If it does reproduce then its children would probably die off. The point is, any cheetah that runs 20mph instead of 60 is doomed. The 20mph cheetahs would most certainly would not be outnumbering the 60mph runners and they certainly wouldn't be breeding more than the 60mph ones either.

That's the best "slow" metaphor I could come up with. I don't think we should restrict births per se, but we should definitely lax back on preventing survival of the fittest. I know that sounds horrible, but face it. We're here because of survival of the fittest, and in the past century we have started to eliminate it almost thoroughly.

I know, I understand your point completely. To use the example you gave. Like Communism, Eugenics looks good on paper; but when it is put it into practice it generally does not work well.

It's because people aren't meant to be totally logical beings.  At least that's why Eugenics doesn't work.  Communism doesn't work because there are limited resources and few people are content with what an "average" amount of resources could provide them with in the long run... and get jealous when someone who does something they see as less important is equally compensated.

 

 



mirgro said:
Stupid people really need to reproduce less. That or their stupid offspring shouldn't have the "survival of the fittest" natural law removed for them.

Point being, there should be a lot less stupid people in some way.

OBJECTION!

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highwaystar101 said:
mirgro said:
Stupid people really need to reproduce less. That or their stupid offspring shouldn't have the "survival of the fittest" natural law removed for them.

Point being, there should be a lot less stupid people in some way.

You mean eugenics?

That was once a very popular idea until the *ahem* unpleasantness. 

Not really. Eugenics implies control, which mirgro doesn't seem to be advocating. If anything, he (she?) seems to be advocating the opposite: removing an existing degree of control over people's lives, and allowing the negative consequences which that control ostensibly prevented to take their natural course.



Complexity is not depth. Machismo is not maturity. Obsession is not dedication. Tedium is not challenge. Support gaming: support the Wii.

Be the ultimate ninja! Play Billy Vs. SNAKEMAN today! Poisson Village welcomes new players.

What do I hate about modern gaming? I hate tedium replacing challenge, complexity replacing depth, and domination replacing entertainment. I hate the outsourcing of mechanics to physics textbooks, art direction to photocopiers, and story to cheap Hollywood screenwriters. I hate the confusion of obsession with dedication, style with substance, new with gimmicky, old with obsolete, new with evolutionary, and old with time-tested.
There is much to hate about modern gaming. That is why I support the Wii.