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mibuokami said:
darthdevidem01 said:
g-value said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Why do so many people dislike Vanille by the way? I think her character is fine, as well as Hope's.

Was a child who watched his mother die supposed to have
a Kratos' style attitude and be all bad ass? He is a kid. His character makes sense.

Thats a BIG spoiler euphoria

anyway I agree with you on hope

{spoilers up to chapter 3 below)

seriously he saw his mother die, got turned into a l'cie (which he saw as monsters since his childhood), he got turned into one cus some moody cow who he had never met decided to attack a fal'cie with a sword....ermm if he did anything but whine I would be shocked.....

Put on top of that the fact that if he doesn't complete his focus he will turn into a monster. His character makes completely sense.

To top it off he's ONLY 14 Years Old.

If I was in his position I dunno, I would either be crying non stop or I would have suicided or simply had a nervous brakdown

he's shown some great strength imo.

 

*small spoiler ahead for chapter 1* Read at your own risk:

 

...

 

But it doesn't make him any more likable to me, although you're right in the sense that he's acting almost believably for a 14 year old that just saw his mum went the way of the dodo (and yes that's probably the part that doesn't appeal to me). Still there's some baffling scene even starting for Chapter 1.

For example: rhe absolutely retarded setting in which they went to the Pulse fal'Cie had me scratching my head though.

We're in the middle of a warzone! The enemy has flying freakin ship with BIG HONKING LASER going pew pew pew and people are dying left and right (including hope's mother!) and what the hell does he do? By himself, probably nothing as initially he reminds me way to much of Shinji from Eva, but damn with Vanille by his side, they freakin hijack a damn flying chicken leg and flew TOWARDS the epicentre of the fight in an effort to tell Snow that he killed his mum and needs to pay (which he never gets to say until chapter 5-6 or something.)

I mean good god! Talk about suicidal tendency and the 'yes mistress' syndrome here!

God thats stupid. Especially Vanille alloying a stupid kid to drive the flying chicken leg and almost crashing to their doom and taking him into unknown danger: a 14 year old kid!!!!

She acts like the village idiot most of the time and the fustrating thing is that I KNOW the reason they made her like this.

She's the typical 'Genki Girl' architype that is very very popular in Japanese otaku culture and having a Genki Girl in an Final Fantasy is almost a mandate: 'Yuffie, Selphie, Riku etc'. The problem here is that they didn't manage to translate her well into English, a lot of personality is lost thanks to the unique (and often childish) expression and idioms being left out, dropped or simply ignored because their is no comparable in English.

I blame this on the lack of 'moe' in western culture and learn to live with it.

Bah /rant over

 

Spoilers for chapter 1:

I totally agree on your chapter 1 criticism...how the hell they got to the place they did I DO NOT KNOW.

I mean did hope fly to it intentionally? He's meant to be scared of any kind of Fal'cie so why would he FLY to it? Just to tell snow, n then he doesn't even tell snow anything LOL

And Vanille was very irresponsible too.

BUT this doesn't change that I think Hope's attitude is very realistic throughout the whole game.

The characters apart from vanille feel like real people....they have been done VERY WELL imo.

 



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darthdevidem01 said:
mibuokami said:
darthdevidem01 said:
g-value said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Why do so many people dislike Vanille by the way? I think her character is fine, as well as Hope's.

Was a child who watched his mother die supposed to have
a Kratos' style attitude and be all bad ass? He is a kid. His character makes sense.

Thats a BIG spoiler euphoria

anyway I agree with you on hope

{spoilers up to chapter 3 below)

seriously he saw his mother die, got turned into a l'cie (which he saw as monsters since his childhood), he got turned into one cus some moody cow who he had never met decided to attack a fal'cie with a sword....ermm if he did anything but whine I would be shocked.....

Put on top of that the fact that if he doesn't complete his focus he will turn into a monster. His character makes completely sense.

To top it off he's ONLY 14 Years Old.

If I was in his position I dunno, I would either be crying non stop or I would have suicided or simply had a nervous brakdown

he's shown some great strength imo.

 

*small spoiler ahead for chapter 1* Read at your own risk:

 

...

 

But it doesn't make him any more likable to me, although you're right in the sense that he's acting almost believably for a 14 year old that just saw his mum went the way of the dodo (and yes that's probably the part that doesn't appeal to me). Still there's some baffling scene even starting for Chapter 1.

For example: rhe absolutely retarded setting in which they went to the Pulse fal'Cie had me scratching my head though.

We're in the middle of a warzone! The enemy has flying freakin ship with BIG HONKING LASER going pew pew pew and people are dying left and right (including hope's mother!) and what the hell does he do? By himself, probably nothing as initially he reminds me way to much of Shinji from Eva, but damn with Vanille by his side, they freakin hijack a damn flying chicken leg and flew TOWARDS the epicentre of the fight in an effort to tell Snow that he killed his mum and needs to pay (which he never gets to say until chapter 5-6 or something.)

I mean good god! Talk about suicidal tendency and the 'yes mistress' syndrome here!

God thats stupid. Especially Vanille alloying a stupid kid to drive the flying chicken leg and almost crashing to their doom and taking him into unknown danger: a 14 year old kid!!!!

She acts like the village idiot most of the time and the fustrating thing is that I KNOW the reason they made her like this.

She's the typical 'Genki Girl' architype that is very very popular in Japanese otaku culture and having a Genki Girl in an Final Fantasy is almost a mandate: 'Yuffie, Selphie, Riku etc'. The problem here is that they didn't manage to translate her well into English, a lot of personality is lost thanks to the unique (and often childish) expression and idioms being left out, dropped or simply ignored because their is no comparable in English.

I blame this on the lack of 'moe' in western culture and learn to live with it.

Bah /rant over

 

Spoilers for chapter 1:

I totally agree on your chapter 1 criticism...how the hell they got to the place they did I DO NOT KNOW.

I mean did hope fly to it intentionally? He's meant to be scared of any kind of Fal'cie so why would he FLY to it? Just to tell snow, n then he doesn't even tell snow anything LOL

And Vanille was very irresponsible too.

BUT this doesn't change that I think Hope's attitude is very realistic throughout the whole game.

The characters apart from vanille feel like real people....they have been done VERY WELL imo.

 

You watch to much soap series. lol. :P



Hero_time88 said:
g-value said:
Hero_time88 said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:
Hero_time88 said:
FFXII is a modern classic right there with Ocarina of time, MGS and FFVII, while FFXIII is a game that's feels rushed (admitted by the director) and more like a solid 8 game.

XII is bigger, better and just more fun to play.

Bigger yeah, more fun to play? I highly doubt it. (IMO)

It's my opinion of course, but not even the biggest FFXII haters can deny that it is a more complete package than FFXIII, which should have been another year in devopement for some real towns and decent sidequests.

The lack of explorable towns is a direct result of the story FFXIII is telling. They are on the run from the law and are feared by everybody in Cocoon.  You can't possibely go around towns and shop like you do in other jrpgs. Also, FFXII is had dry characters, an almost non existent storyline and a battle system that plays itself.

I have played FFXII for 170 hours, while most seem to get 100% of the trophies for FF XIII under the 100 hours mark.

You can collect Eidolons, collect title's, there are way more superbosses in FFXII, there are more gear/ items to collects. etc...

And maybe you wheren't able to follow the story or perhaps a bad story to you means the lack of melodrama?

 

 

You played for 170 hours and didn't collect everything? Sorry, but I call BS. 

I did 100% on my first playthrough on FFXII in less than 120 hours. On my second playthrough, I forged my first Tournesol at 65 hours and defeated both Yiazmat and Zodiark at 90 hours, finished everything up at 98 hours.

So you took your sweet time with FFXII and are trying to pass that up as a proper measure to FFXIII? At least, be fair.

Oh, and I love how you're taking your points to people less knowledgeable with FFXII and avoiding discussion with someone who probably knows as much or more than you about FFXII :P 



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lestatdark said:
Hero_time88 said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:
Hero_time88 said:
FFXII is a modern classic right there with Ocarina of time, MGS and FFVII, while FFXIII is a game that's feels rushed (admitted by the director) and more like a solid 8 game.

XII is bigger, better and just more fun to play.

Bigger yeah, more fun to play? I highly doubt it. (IMO)

It's my opinion of course, but not even the biggest FFXII haters can deny that it is a more complete package than FFXIII, which should have been another year in devopement for some real towns and decent sidequests.

I don't get this part of decent sidequests. In FFXII, other than the hunts, getting the Order of Ambrosia rating and completing the License Board, what were the sidequests that it had? FFXII didn't had that much variety in sidequests as well, especially if you compare it to FFX, or even FFX-2

Order of Ambrosia includes getting all the little trophies, yeah?

The game had good sidequests, just that in a lot of places they didn't really feel like sidequests - like the whole fishing thing.



Khuutra said:
lestatdark said:
Hero_time88 said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:
Hero_time88 said:
FFXII is a modern classic right there with Ocarina of time, MGS and FFVII, while FFXIII is a game that's feels rushed (admitted by the director) and more like a solid 8 game.

XII is bigger, better and just more fun to play.

Bigger yeah, more fun to play? I highly doubt it. (IMO)

It's my opinion of course, but not even the biggest FFXII haters can deny that it is a more complete package than FFXIII, which should have been another year in devopement for some real towns and decent sidequests.

I don't get this part of decent sidequests. In FFXII, other than the hunts, getting the Order of Ambrosia rating and completing the License Board, what were the sidequests that it had? FFXII didn't had that much variety in sidequests as well, especially if you compare it to FFX, or even FFX-2

Order of Ambrosia includes getting all the little trophies, yeah?

The game had good sidequests, just that in a lot of places they didn't really feel like sidequests - like the whole fishing thing.

Yeah, pretty much getting the little trophies like Master Yen Badge and Omega Badge to forge the Wyrmhero Blade in order to complete all the weapons trophy, or getting all the bestiary complete and so on. 

It did have some different things to do outside the main scope of the game, yet they weren't full fledged mini-games like you would could the hunts in FFXII or the TCG on FFVIII/FFIX, or chocobo training in FFVII, or monster arena in FFX. At that scope, you have the 60 hunts in FFXIII, or in a similar degree to the order of ambrosia, the trophies for Loremaster or Weaponmaster  



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lestatdark said:
Khuutra said:
lestatdark said:

I don't get this part of decent sidequests. In FFXII, other than the hunts, getting the Order of Ambrosia rating and completing the License Board, what were the sidequests that it had? FFXII didn't had that much variety in sidequests as well, especially if you compare it to FFX, or even FFX-2

Order of Ambrosia includes getting all the little trophies, yeah?

The game had good sidequests, just that in a lot of places they didn't really feel like sidequests - like the whole fishing thing.

Yeah, pretty much getting the little trophies like Master Yen Badge and Omega Badge to forge the Wyrmhero Blade in order to complete all the weapons trophy, or getting all the bestiary complete and so on. 

It did have some different things to do outside the main scope of the game, yet they weren't full fledged mini-games like you would could the hunts in FFXII or the TCG on FFVIII/FFIX, or chocobo training in FFVII, or monster arena in FFX. At that scope, you have the 60 hunts in FFXIII, or in a similar degree to the order of ambrosia, the trophies for Loremaster or Weaponmaster  

That's pretty fair.

Getting the Order of Ambrosia is an enormous ordeal, though. I don't think even my wife bothered to get that far, an she actually killed Yiazmat.



lestatdark said:

 

You played for 170 hours and didn't collect everything? Sorry, but I call BS. 

I did 100% on my first playthrough on FFXII in less than 120 hours. On my second playthrough, I forged my first Tournesol at 65 hours and defeated both Yiazmat and Zodiark at 90 hours, finished everything up at 98 hours.

So you took your sweet time with FFXII and are trying to pass that up as a proper measure to FFXIII? At least, be fair.

Oh, and I love how you're taking your points to people less knowledgeable with FFXII and avoiding discussion with someone who probably knows as much or more than you about FFXII :P 

Nope, I did never beat Omega and played with a Strategy Guide, and you must be either a exceptional good gamer or just lying, because at gamefaqs there are people who have played it for more than 200 hours when they reached Omega.

Finding some hunts alone can take hours if you do not know what to do, it did take me 5 hours alone to beat Yiazmat, and it doesn't sound believable at all to reach Yiazmat and Zodiark at the same time when one the bosses literary takes a couple of hours and the other one is deep in a cavern (though he himself doesn't take that long to beat) and getting everything else 8 hours later. Yiazmat is not the strongest boss at all in FFXII.

 



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Hero_time88 said:
lestatdark said:

 

You played for 170 hours and didn't collect everything? Sorry, but I call BS. 

I did 100% on my first playthrough on FFXII in less than 120 hours. On my second playthrough, I forged my first Tournesol at 65 hours and defeated both Yiazmat and Zodiark at 90 hours, finished everything up at 98 hours.

So you took your sweet time with FFXII and are trying to pass that up as a proper measure to FFXIII? At least, be fair.

Oh, and I love how you're taking your points to people less knowledgeable with FFXII and avoiding discussion with someone who probably knows as much or more than you about FFXII :P 

Nope, I did never beat Omega and played with a Strategy Guide, and you must be either a exceptional good gamer or just lying, because at gamefaqs there are people who have played it for more than 200 hours when they reached Omega.

Finding some hunts alone can take hours if you do not know what to do, it did take me 5 hours alone to beat Yiazmat, and it doesn't sound believable at all to reach Yiazmat and Zodiark at the same time when one the bosses literary takes a couple of hours and the other one is deep in a cavern (though he himself doesn't take that long to beat) and getting everything else 8 hours later. Yiazmat is not the strongest boss at all in FFXII.

 

I have the official strategy guide from Piggyback, it's actually quite easy if you follow it. 

Omega wasn't even hard. Decoy and Reverse strategy using manual output, not gambits, was a sure fire way to win in under 15 minutes. Getting through the Great Crystal of Giruvengan prior levels before Omega, that was the tricky part. The Shambling Corpses could tear you apart due to sheer numbers.

Yiazmat was easily taken down in less than two hours if you prepared accordingly to him. Three sets of Yagryu Darkblades or Danjuros, coupled with Auto-Haste accesories and Genji Armbands to your party leader, would ensure over 8-10 hits per attack, at 9999 per hit (6999 when he hits the defense cap). The main difficulty was keeping up your health when he starts spamming Cyclone and Deathstrike (and it's obnoxious 25% instant death rate if you Auto-Shelled your party, 50% without shell). A couple of Megalixirs, or some good healing strategy, like keeping a character exclusively for group healing (mine was Ashe) would do wonders in keeping up the rythim of attack.

Zodiark was easily taken down in 15 minutes (5 if you were lucky to one-shot him with a 12-hit Quickening + Dark Hole before he put up paling and Magick Barrier when he gets to 20% health), getting over to him in the Henne Mines took 1 hour at best if you knew your bearings. So, it's possible to do all that in less than 5 hours. 



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Did you just copy/paste that from gamefaqs?