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NKAJ on 14 March 2010

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THATGUY on 14 March 2010

im from uk and i dont hate Europe, but when talking to someone i would say "going to europe" even though uk is part of europe, because were seperate from main land europe.



Final-Fan on 14 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
1) Nah, I wouldn't consider it an Island because it's connected to eurasia by a big enough piece of land.

America would be considered an Island because it's only conected by Panama which isn't a big enough connection for North and South America to be considered one continent, with South America being a sub continent.

If that was the case... North America would be part of the South American continent... though not even in the form of a sub continent... like how East Russia isn't a sub continent.

2) The Urals are the common answer... but are a physical seperation, when most people were claiming the cultural seperation is what makes europe different.  However with the Urals being the split... there is no cultural difference between Europe and Asia, because East Russia or Asia Russia has an IDENTICAL culture more or less to West Russia or Europeon Russia.

It's kind of like the greeks.  They split Europe and Asia where they did because it put the Ionian greeks on one side... and the "mainland" greeks on the other side.  In otherwords... the Free greeks were on one side... while the enslaved by the persian "loser" greeks were on the other side.

In this case... you don't even have that criteia... making the whole reason for europe being a continent even more murky.

1.  Well you still have a situation of justifying Europe as being a peninsula due to its status as geologically placidly attached to Asia on the Eurasian plate, but you also say that far east Russia is also Asia despite that it is separated geologically by a fault zone and is on the North American plate. 

It's not an island, and I tend to agree that it would be weird to consider it a subcontinent, but it's something. 

2.  Well, maybe we could say that it WOULD be at the Urals, but 'Asian Russia' gets to be "Grandfathered in" because it has a European foot in the door.  After all, that's probably how Asian Russia got to HAVE the same culture ... European Russians moved there.  Am I wrong?  If not, that's why we can say that Europe ends at the Urals even while saying a European country & culture extends to the Pacific Ocean. 

1) It's part of Eurasia.  If I were a geographer or geologist, i'd consider it a sub continent, but they don't.  For some reason you need possession of the plate.

2) Couldn't you also make the case that the USA and Canda would have to be "grandfathered" in as well.  Leaving North America rather bare?  Afterall we're bypassing one geographical barrier that matter yet not another in such a case.

This is why I like to keep continents to geography and geology... and just use Socio-political zones for culture.  It's much better represented since you have East and West Europe split, South and west africa.   Egypt is part of the Middle East instead of Africa, which makes more sense since egypt is much more culturally similar to the middle east then either south africa or the Carthginian influenced west africans...

1.  Oh, I'm actually fully on board with that in a geological sense.  It's currently a part of the Eurasian plate.  Europe is an ex-continent. 

2.  Well, that's different since it was more colonization than expansion.  Non-contiguous etc. etc. 

3.  But there, you just called it Europe too, East Europe or South/West/whatever.  Face facts, Europe is the name on all those sociopolitical zones, and if you want to refer to all of the ones with "Europe" in the name, you just call it Europe. 

also, how different are Egyptians from the other Africans north of the Sahara, vs. the Middle East? 



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Kasz216 on 14 March 2010
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
1) Nah, I wouldn't consider it an Island because it's connected to eurasia by a big enough piece of land.

America would be considered an Island because it's only conected by Panama which isn't a big enough connection for North and South America to be considered one continent, with South America being a sub continent.

If that was the case... North America would be part of the South American continent... though not even in the form of a sub continent... like how East Russia isn't a sub continent.

2) The Urals are the common answer... but are a physical seperation, when most people were claiming the cultural seperation is what makes europe different.  However with the Urals being the split... there is no cultural difference between Europe and Asia, because East Russia or Asia Russia has an IDENTICAL culture more or less to West Russia or Europeon Russia.

It's kind of like the greeks.  They split Europe and Asia where they did because it put the Ionian greeks on one side... and the "mainland" greeks on the other side.  In otherwords... the Free greeks were on one side... while the enslaved by the persian "loser" greeks were on the other side.

In this case... you don't even have that criteia... making the whole reason for europe being a continent even more murky.

1.  Well you still have a situation of justifying Europe as being a peninsula due to its status as geologically placidly attached to Asia on the Eurasian plate, but you also say that far east Russia is also Asia despite that it is separated geologically by a fault zone and is on the North American plate. 

It's not an island, and I tend to agree that it would be weird to consider it a subcontinent, but it's something. 

2.  Well, maybe we could say that it WOULD be at the Urals, but 'Asian Russia' gets to be "Grandfathered in" because it has a European foot in the door.  After all, that's probably how Asian Russia got to HAVE the same culture ... European Russians moved there.  Am I wrong?  If not, that's why we can say that Europe ends at the Urals even while saying a European country & culture extends to the Pacific Ocean. 

1) It's part of Eurasia.  If I were a geographer or geologist, i'd consider it a sub continent, but they don't.  For some reason you need possession of the plate.

2) Couldn't you also make the case that the USA and Canda would have to be "grandfathered" in as well.  Leaving North America rather bare?  Afterall we're bypassing one geographical barrier that matter yet not another in such a case.

This is why I like to keep continents to geography and geology... and just use Socio-political zones for culture.  It's much better represented since you have East and West Europe split, South and west africa.   Egypt is part of the Middle East instead of Africa, which makes more sense since egypt is much more culturally similar to the middle east then either south africa or the Carthginian influenced west africans...

1.  Oh, I'm actually fully on board with that in a geological sense.  It's currently a part of the Eurasian plate.  Europe is an ex-continent. 

2.  Well, that's different since it was more colonization than expansion.  Non-contiguous etc. etc. 

3.  But there, you just called it Europe too, East Europe or South/West/whatever.  Face facts, Europe is the name on all those sociopolitical zones, and if you want to refer to all of the ones with "Europe" in the name, you just call it Europe. 

also, how different are Egyptians from the other Africans north of the Sahara, vs. the Middle East? 

1.  Ok

2. Seems tenuous, but ok.

3. I have no problem saying that Europe is a sociopolitcal zone.  It's just not a continent.   Just like the Middle east and Sub Saharan africa.

4. Egypt always were more "under the thumb" of the greeks and romans at different times and were ruled by the british like the rest of the middle east.  This effected them quite a bit... for example... Egypt is the only country that really cares about Israel much.   Egypts relative prosparity compaired to the rest seems to have given them a supeiror attitude.

Not to mention that early Egyptian culture was a lot different then other early african cultures due to the nile... so there weren't as many early similarties before all the colonilzation as one might think.

 

 



Final-Fan on 14 March 2010

I just realized I have rock solid proof that Europe is a continent on par with the rest:

Can't get more official than that! In fact, it's tied for second best continent! But nobody wants to try and get it because it's so hard to defend. Go North America!



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c03n3nj0 on 14 March 2010
Final-Fan said:
I just realized I have rock solid proof that Europe is a continent on par with the rest:

Can't get more official than that! In fact, it's tied for second best continent! But nobody wants to try and get it because it's so hard to defend. Go North America!

Pshhh

 

Australia/South America combination is the way to go  



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Kasz216 on 14 March 2010
Final-Fan said:
I just realized I have rock solid proof that Europe is a continent on par with the rest:

Can't get more official than that! In fact, it's tied for second best continent! But nobody wants to try and get it because it's so hard to defend. Go North America!

I always went with Australia.  Sure it kinda sucked... but it was EASY to just bottle up in their... and then you could expand outwards tear out of Asia and into Africa... from Africa i'd go to South America, up through North america... and by then you'd had it won.  You'd probably lose Australia by the time you had South America down... but once you had both of those... it was easy to hold and then North America was ripe for the picking.  Nobody every held Europe or Asia reliably.

 

Of course I also tended to play with more chaotic people who would push each other all the way across the map, so having a good place to ride it out made more sense then vs the more bottle necked constant front that happens vs other players.



draik on 14 March 2010

Australia is ridiculously overpowered



 

Final-Fan on 14 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
I just realized I have rock solid proof that Europe is a continent on par with the rest: RISK MAP
Can't get more official than that! In fact, it's tied for second best continent! But nobody wants to try and get it because it's so hard to defend. Go North America!

I always went with Australia.  Sure it kinda sucked... but it was EASY to just bottle up in their... and then you could expand outwards tear out of Asia and into Africa... from Africa i'd go to South America, up through North america... and by then you'd had it won.  You'd probably lose Australia by the time you had South America down... but once you had both of those... it was easy to hold and then North America was ripe for the picking.  Nobody every held Europe or Asia reliably.

Of course I also tended to play with more chaotic people who would push each other all the way across the map, so having a good place to ride it out made more sense then vs the more bottle necked constant front that happens vs other players.

Well of COURSE.  Australia is the safest base and great to hold and have.  South America is only slightly harder to defend and has easier access to Africa.  

I'm just saying, of the big three, North America is by FAR the easiest to defend.  The other two are pipe dreams unless you have a really easy game or are already in a very strong position.  So South America is really attractive for its defensibility and proximity to both of those prime expansion areas, while Australia is a very attractive second place IMO.   

In other words, c03n3nj0, your comment is like saying, "It's really good if you can get all four railroads and the light blue and purple monopolies."



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Samus Aran on 14 March 2010


The top 3 most hated European countries by other Europeans

1. France
2. France
3. UK/Russia

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Owh, and I think someone overrated the influence of Carthage on West Africa. The Romans did kill 95% of their population and the whole city was destroyed(to be re-build later by Romans)