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I dont care if the game is multiplat. That was up to Square Enix to decide.I care only about the quality of the title.Unfortunately,my fears about FF XIII were not unjustified.One of my best friends bought it and we were both disappointed. It is the only Final Fantasy I've played that gets boring at times.



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Pretty much any multiplatform game comming out on Xbox and either PC or PS3 is gimped by Xbox's capabilities. Be it either power or content limitations.

FFXIII had content cut out, Lost Odyssey 2 is having problems, GTA IV had them, now L. A. Noire can't fit on discs. And Microsoft is to blame, other platform owners are screwed because of this, since developers must deliver the same for everyone.

The worst impact it had on PC owners, many Xbox console exclusive titles come out on PC aswell, but they can't hold a candle to PC exclusive titles. Xbox is 5 years old, so this has to be expected, but games like Dragon Age Origins or Mass Effect are suffering from this.



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aragod said:
Pretty much any multiplatform game comming out on Xbox and either PC or PS3 is gimped by Xbox's capabilities. Be it either power or content limitations.

FFXIII had content cut out, Lost Odyssey 2 is having problems, GTA IV had them, now L. A. Noire can't fit on discs. And Microsoft is to blame, other platform owners are screwed because of this, since developers must deliver the same for everyone.

The worst impact it had on PC owners, many Xbox console exclusive titles come out on PC aswell, but they can't hold a candle to PC exclusive titles. Xbox is 5 years old, so this has to be expected, but games like Dragon Age Origins or Mass Effect are suffering from this.

is this a joke post? Gimped by Xbox's capabilities? Is that why 90% of multiplatform games run better on the 360?



This thread alone is a tangible proof that PS3 fanboys are out of control on this website.



perpride said:
BMaker11 said:
perpride said:
chenguo4 said:
SaviorX said:
perpride said:
keeping the game as a PS3 exclusive would be a RETARDED move on Square's part IMO.

Why? Sony is nowhere near the position they were the last two generations. With PS1 and PS2, Sony dominated the market. Their consoles were like the Wii of this generation. This generation, however, PS3 ended up being a HUGE disappointment compared to its predecessors. And I don't mean just hardware sales. Software sales for many PS3 games are extremely disappointing imo.

Square keeping Final Fantasy XIII exclusive would virtually outcast the 38 million people who own Xbox 360's around the world. Bringing the game to 360 was an AMAZING decision because it more than doubles the number of people who have access to playing the game. Which do you think Square cares more for? Stupid biased reviews bringing their game down to an 83/8.3 on game rankings/meta critic, or the possibility of selling millions more? We all know critics and reviewers have been putting down JRPG's recently anyways.

When all is said and done, Final Fantasy XIII 360 should be a million seller by itself. This enough warrants the fact that Square brought it over. I for one am proud of them, and the game has not only met my expectations, it has shattered them in every way possible. It easily ranks in the top 5 games of the series, third only to Final Fantasy VII and XII. It is now my second favorite game this generation, only behind MGS4.

It is funny you say that...I have heard many times before that porting a game to another console for the sake of 1-1.5 million copies is not worth it.

 

Not to mention you're also assuming htose 38 mil 360 owners dont overlap with the 32.5 mil ps3 owners. If the game was ps3 exclusive, they honestly wouldn't be losing that many sales, consdering 1) this overlap and 2) how many people would buy a console for FF13.

 

And back on topic of the scores. It's a fantastic game and I don't see how it's any more linear than FFX, which got amazing reviews. I think the thing that bugs reviewers the most is that there are no towns, and that takes a lot out of an RPG experience, and unnecessarily speeds up the pacing quite a bit.

could you guys please explain what makes you more qualified than Square Enix to make such statements? It's their game, if they decided to go multiplatform, I believe their reason is damn good.

Keeping Mass Effect 2 exclusive to the Xbox 360 IS a RETARDED move by Bioware. They own the IP and can do whatever they want with it, but they're ignoring 32.5M potential customers. A PS3 version would probably be a million seller. 

Now, using your logic, is Bioware's decision a "damn good" one?

I think Bioware is taking a completely different approach than Square Enix, and I can respect that. If they believe their game will do better as an exclusive, so be it. But they already used my logic which is why you see the game appearing on PC. And I'm almost certain that they have some sort of exclucivity deal or they would bring Mass Effect over to PS3. Either way, if there's one thing this generation has proved to us, it's that going multiplatform is a good idea  (ie., Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, etc.,)

Actualy I think the decision to not put ME2 on PS3 has more to do with not being able to put the first one on there because it was published by Microsoft than any sort of "it will sell better" logic. Not having the first game kills alot of the personalization of the second game, and would also lock out a full paragon play through of the trilogy because new characters are treated as having chosen the renegade path.



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perpride said:
aragod said:
Pretty much any multiplatform game comming out on Xbox and either PC or PS3 is gimped by Xbox's capabilities. Be it either power or content limitations.

FFXIII had content cut out, Lost Odyssey 2 is having problems, GTA IV had them, now L. A. Noire can't fit on discs. And Microsoft is to blame, other platform owners are screwed because of this, since developers must deliver the same for everyone.

The worst impact it had on PC owners, many Xbox console exclusive titles come out on PC aswell, but they can't hold a candle to PC exclusive titles. Xbox is 5 years old, so this has to be expected, but games like Dragon Age Origins or Mass Effect are suffering from this.

is this a joke post? Gimped by Xbox's capabilities? Is that why 90% of multiplatform games run better on the 360?

If you'd care to notice, the main reason is Xbox's incapability to force HDD standart which would allow mandatory instalation so there wouldn't be single DVD limitations to games where it's not possible to swap discs on the go (sandbox, free exploration, racers). It has very little to do with the basic power.

And multiplatform games run better on Xbox, because developers don't bother optimizing the code for PS3 architecture.



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fighter said:
This thread alone is a tangible proof that PS3 fanboys are out of control on this website.

lol, really?!? its easy to be fanboys nowadays, one comment from 2-3 persons and then BAM "tangible proof PS3 fanboys are out of control". LOL



aragod said:
perpride said:
aragod said:
Pretty much any multiplatform game comming out on Xbox and either PC or PS3 is gimped by Xbox's capabilities. Be it either power or content limitations.

FFXIII had content cut out, Lost Odyssey 2 is having problems, GTA IV had them, now L. A. Noire can't fit on discs. And Microsoft is to blame, other platform owners are screwed because of this, since developers must deliver the same for everyone.

The worst impact it had on PC owners, many Xbox console exclusive titles come out on PC aswell, but they can't hold a candle to PC exclusive titles. Xbox is 5 years old, so this has to be expected, but games like Dragon Age Origins or Mass Effect are suffering from this.

is this a joke post? Gimped by Xbox's capabilities? Is that why 90% of multiplatform games run better on the 360?

If you'd care to notice, the main reason is Xbox's incapability to force HDD standart which would allow mandatory instalation so there wouldn't be single DVD limitations to games where it's not possible to swap discs on the go (sandbox, free exploration, racers). It has very little to do with the basic power.

And multiplatform games run better on Xbox, because developers don't bother optimizing the code for PS3 architecture.

I bolded the part of your post which is just completely untrue. No multiplatform game is "gimped" by Xbox's capabilities. Unless you have proof, don't make stuff like that up. In fact, many people try and say the opposite and claim that multiplatform games are "gimped" by the PS3. Both groups are lying.

When has multiple CD's/DVD's for a game ever been a problem in the past? The answer is never.

Also, forcing HDD installs would be completely STUPID for Microsoft considering the arcade version of the 360 never came with a hard drive. That would be like a slap in the face of anybody who ever bought their console without a hard drive. And on a side note, why would MS force installs when so many people complain about the fact that Sony does it?



sanadawarrior said:
perpride said:
BMaker11 said:
perpride said:
chenguo4 said:
SaviorX said:
perpride said:
keeping the game as a PS3 exclusive would be a RETARDED move on Square's part IMO.

Why? Sony is nowhere near the position they were the last two generations. With PS1 and PS2, Sony dominated the market. Their consoles were like the Wii of this generation. This generation, however, PS3 ended up being a HUGE disappointment compared to its predecessors. And I don't mean just hardware sales. Software sales for many PS3 games are extremely disappointing imo.

Square keeping Final Fantasy XIII exclusive would virtually outcast the 38 million people who own Xbox 360's around the world. Bringing the game to 360 was an AMAZING decision because it more than doubles the number of people who have access to playing the game. Which do you think Square cares more for? Stupid biased reviews bringing their game down to an 83/8.3 on game rankings/meta critic, or the possibility of selling millions more? We all know critics and reviewers have been putting down JRPG's recently anyways.

When all is said and done, Final Fantasy XIII 360 should be a million seller by itself. This enough warrants the fact that Square brought it over. I for one am proud of them, and the game has not only met my expectations, it has shattered them in every way possible. It easily ranks in the top 5 games of the series, third only to Final Fantasy VII and XII. It is now my second favorite game this generation, only behind MGS4.

It is funny you say that...I have heard many times before that porting a game to another console for the sake of 1-1.5 million copies is not worth it.

 

Not to mention you're also assuming htose 38 mil 360 owners dont overlap with the 32.5 mil ps3 owners. If the game was ps3 exclusive, they honestly wouldn't be losing that many sales, consdering 1) this overlap and 2) how many people would buy a console for FF13.

 

And back on topic of the scores. It's a fantastic game and I don't see how it's any more linear than FFX, which got amazing reviews. I think the thing that bugs reviewers the most is that there are no towns, and that takes a lot out of an RPG experience, and unnecessarily speeds up the pacing quite a bit.

could you guys please explain what makes you more qualified than Square Enix to make such statements? It's their game, if they decided to go multiplatform, I believe their reason is damn good.

Keeping Mass Effect 2 exclusive to the Xbox 360 IS a RETARDED move by Bioware. They own the IP and can do whatever they want with it, but they're ignoring 32.5M potential customers. A PS3 version would probably be a million seller. 

Now, using your logic, is Bioware's decision a "damn good" one?

I think Bioware is taking a completely different approach than Square Enix, and I can respect that. If they believe their game will do better as an exclusive, so be it. But they already used my logic which is why you see the game appearing on PC. And I'm almost certain that they have some sort of exclucivity deal or they would bring Mass Effect over to PS3. Either way, if there's one thing this generation has proved to us, it's that going multiplatform is a good idea  (ie., Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, etc.,)

Actualy I think the decision to not put ME2 on PS3 has more to do with not being able to put the first one on there because it was published by Microsoft than any sort of "it will sell better" logic. Not having the first game kills alot of the personalization of the second game, and would also lock out a full paragon play through of the trilogy because new characters are treated as having chosen the renegade path.

#1 NGII was published by Microsoft, and that ended up on the PS3. This is what happens when the dev owns the IP, not MS, which brings me back to my second point, Bioware owns the IP. And have said they can do anything they want with it. 

So I don't see any exclusivity deal that would block a PS3 ME2. 

@perpride

They also put Dragon Age on the PC and 360.....and PS3. But don't try to bring the PC into this, because you're one of the people that when we talk about exclusives, you exclude the PC when PS3 fans say "it's not exclusive to Xbox, it on PC!". But hey, it seems like you're another "Keep the 360 exclusives exclusive, and multiplat all the PS3 exclusives" kind of person. If a company makes a former exclusive go to multiple platforms, it's a "damn good decision", but when you just said "mulitplatform is a good idea", you also respect a 3rd party devs choice to make a game, that for all intensive purposes should be multiplatform (given the status that it's from EA now, who multiplats everything, and Bioware have on multiple occassions said how they own the IP and can do whatever they want with it), exclusive. What kind of hypocrisy is that?



perpride said:
aragod said:
perpride said:
aragod said:
Pretty much any multiplatform game comming out on Xbox and either PC or PS3 is gimped by Xbox's capabilities. Be it either power or content limitations.

FFXIII had content cut out, Lost Odyssey 2 is having problems, GTA IV had them, now L. A. Noire can't fit on discs. And Microsoft is to blame, other platform owners are screwed because of this, since developers must deliver the same for everyone.

The worst impact it had on PC owners, many Xbox console exclusive titles come out on PC aswell, but they can't hold a candle to PC exclusive titles. Xbox is 5 years old, so this has to be expected, but games like Dragon Age Origins or Mass Effect are suffering from this.

is this a joke post? Gimped by Xbox's capabilities? Is that why 90% of multiplatform games run better on the 360?

If you'd care to notice, the main reason is Xbox's incapability to force HDD standart which would allow mandatory instalation so there wouldn't be single DVD limitations to games where it's not possible to swap discs on the go (sandbox, free exploration, racers). It has very little to do with the basic power.

And multiplatform games run better on Xbox, because developers don't bother optimizing the code for PS3 architecture.

I bolded the part of your post which is just completely untrue. No multiplatform game is "gimped" by Xbox's capabilities. Unless you have proof, don't make stuff like that up. In fact, many people try and say the opposite and claim that multiplatform games are "gimped" by the PS3. Both groups are lying.

When has multiple CD's/DVD's for a game ever been a problem in the past? The answer is never.

Also, forcing HDD installs would be completely STUPID for Microsoft considering the arcade version of the 360 never came with a hard drive. That would be like a slap in the face of anybody who ever bought their console without a hard drive. And on a side note, why would MS force installs when so many people complain about the fact that Sony does it?

Yes, the disc limitation is a major problem, like it or not, it's a FACT, not opinion, FACT. When you have non linear game, you must cut content out to fit on one double layer DVD, that is a huge drawback and limitations to system with instalation capabilities. The Xbox arcade version is the exact problem, why this gimp is happening, you can't have game with mandatory install.

This isn't true, if the game is non linear or sandbox, you are screwed.

PC games are gimped by beeing released on consoles, not only Xbox, but PS3 also. Dumbed down for both controls and performance. And the gap will be only getting bigger as the time progress, until the new console generation. Don't believe that? Arma 2 or Battlefield 3 says hi. Streaming content from discs can't outperform HDD installations and beeing limited to one disc only highlights that.

And all those developers bitching about it now (like I said, FFXIII, Lost Planet 2, GTA IV, now L. A. Noire) just support this statement.



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