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joeorc on 12 March 2010
NightAntilli said:
@joeorc: Yeah I bet if the tables would've been turned you would be arguing how right he is and that his perspective is the truth.

wait a min here. my post history speaks for it's self, I do not go on here an make thread's just to rile people up. but when someone make's thread's and i happen to be in the thread and they post something about the xbox360 or the Wii or the Playstation 3 design and I know they are saying something that just is not true or it's Opinion, I will chime in if I think there is some misconception or Misinformation being posted.

like for many people that say for example:

the Wii is just two duct taped game cubes stuck together, that's not even remotely true

or How the xbox360 or the PS3 is being fully tapped which is not true at all.

I have done that since I been here.

some people may think I am too pro Playstation 3 over the other two , because I post more about it. the reason being , is there is to me alot of misconception, or I do not agree with someone's opinion on the matter.

Once again people may not agree with me. but I do speak up If I think there is a strong reason for me too.

 

 



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

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selnor on 12 March 2010
joeorc said:
ghaleon1980 said:
RAZurrection said:
huaxiong90 said:

Read what Carmack said about the PS3 version.

 

That's nice. Read what Carmack says about the 360 and Rage 360

John Carmack interview with Wired re: PS3


"It's not a bad console; it's certainly far better than everything else
except maybe the Xbox 360. In an ideal world PlayStation 3 will be more
powerful, but for the vast majority of the cases, you'll be able to
effectively exploit more power from the 360."

 Rage preview/interview

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off..."

Another interview

, "...the only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..." And about a minute and a half later, just in case we didn't quite hear him correctly the first time, he said, "...the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360, from our point of view, is the extra space."

...

..."Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. When you get down into actual comparisons on the hardware performance characteristics, it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3's RSX on there.

...


"On the processing side it's a little bit more complicated, where the main processor on the PS3 is roughly equivalent to one of the three processors on the 360. But then you wind up saying, you have to compare two other symmetric processors on the 360 versus the eight quirky cell processors. And that comes down to one of those questions, where if you just look at the raw numbers, the cells are much more powerful. Many more flops on there, in theory you can do a lot more, but that's where you come to the difference between theory and practice. And given an infinite amount of development time on there, you can craft a program that's gonna work more efficiently on the cells there than on two additional processors on the 360. But given a finite amount of development time, it's much-much easier to get things working well on the 360 than it is on the PS3. And that's pretty much the case across the board."

on blu-ray

"And if it winds up getting a benefit because of the blu-ray and having the better compression on there, then it's going to wind up looking like the PS3 was the better machine, even though it really wasn't.."

...

"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it,"

 

Once again, Please explain why the scan is somehow more valid then the rest of his comments? Is it because one favours the PS3 and the rest favours the 360?

 

 

OUCH!!!!  That was cold!

ONCE AGAIN:

CARMACK:

FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE!

IE:

"from our perspective," the speaker is acknowledging that others may see things differently, or may completely disagree. "Not a bad fix" isn't as good as "a good fix," and adding "short-term" is a further caveat. By making a weaker, heavier, more redundant sentence, the speaker makes a weaker statement of support. It's deliberate.

GET THAT!

IT'S FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE:

IE: not every developer will agree with HIM get that through your skull

you are beating a d@mn dead horse

get over it already

Trouble is Joerc, you are posting something older than the info shown to you.

Your whole arguement is pinned on old news. Carmacks more recent statements show that he believes as of right now, the 360 is more capable. I guess the more time spent with both has changed his mind.

From Carmacks most recent perspective he says what has already been posted. Dont keep bringing up Carmacks older outdated opinions and ignoring his more recent up to date opinions.



joeorc on 12 March 2010
selnor said:
joeorc said:
ghaleon1980 said:
RAZurrection said:
huaxiong90 said:

Read what Carmack said about the PS3 version.

 

That's nice. Read what Carmack says about the 360 and Rage 360

John Carmack interview with Wired re: PS3


"It's not a bad console; it's certainly far better than everything else
except maybe the Xbox 360. In an ideal world PlayStation 3 will be more
powerful, but for the vast majority of the cases, you'll be able to
effectively exploit more power from the 360."

 Rage preview/interview

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off..."

Another interview

, "...the only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..." And about a minute and a half later, just in case we didn't quite hear him correctly the first time, he said, "...the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360, from our point of view, is the extra space."

...

..."Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. When you get down into actual comparisons on the hardware performance characteristics, it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3's RSX on there.

...


"On the processing side it's a little bit more complicated, where the main processor on the PS3 is roughly equivalent to one of the three processors on the 360. But then you wind up saying, you have to compare two other symmetric processors on the 360 versus the eight quirky cell processors. And that comes down to one of those questions, where if you just look at the raw numbers, the cells are much more powerful. Many more flops on there, in theory you can do a lot more, but that's where you come to the difference between theory and practice. And given an infinite amount of development time on there, you can craft a program that's gonna work more efficiently on the cells there than on two additional processors on the 360. But given a finite amount of development time, it's much-much easier to get things working well on the 360 than it is on the PS3. And that's pretty much the case across the board."

on blu-ray

"And if it winds up getting a benefit because of the blu-ray and having the better compression on there, then it's going to wind up looking like the PS3 was the better machine, even though it really wasn't.."

...

"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it,"

 

Once again, Please explain why the scan is somehow more valid then the rest of his comments? Is it because one favours the PS3 and the rest favours the 360?

 

 

OUCH!!!!  That was cold!

ONCE AGAIN:

CARMACK:

FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE!

IE:

"from our perspective," the speaker is acknowledging that others may see things differently, or may completely disagree. "Not a bad fix" isn't as good as "a good fix," and adding "short-term" is a further caveat. By making a weaker, heavier, more redundant sentence, the speaker makes a weaker statement of support. It's deliberate.

GET THAT!

IT'S FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE:

IE: not every developer will agree with HIM get that through your skull

you are beating a d@mn dead horse

get over it already

Trouble is Joerc, you are posting something older than the info shown to you.

Your whole arguement is pinned on old news. Carmacks more recent statements show that he believes as of right now, the 360 is more capable. I guess the more time spent with both has changed his mind.

From Carmacks most recent perspective he says what has already been posted. Dont keep bringing up Carmacks older outdated opinions and ignoring his more recent up to date opinions.

have you been hit with that very same brick that RAZ has?

look at what you posted, its from the most recent interview from IDSOF'S john Crmack..you posted it..so how am i pointing out old info if I am useing the same info that you posted?

1st

read what you posted!

John Carmack interview with Wired re: PS3


"It's not a bad console; it's certainly far better than everything else
except maybe the Xbox 360. In an ideal world PlayStation 3 will be more
powerful, but for the vast majority of the cases, you'll be able to
effectively exploit more power from the 360."

notice he said "except maybe"

get it

, "...the only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..." And about a minute and a half later, just in case we didn't quite hear him correctly the first time, he said, "...the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360, from our point of view, is the extra space."

notice he said "from our point of view"

get it

but ..but the graphic's card is more powerful..so what if the xbox360's graphic card is more powerful, the PS3's cell processor also does graphic's.

."Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. When you get down into actual comparisons on the hardware performance characteristics, it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3's RSX on there.

notice he states once again "Yeah, I mean that's our position"

THIS IS THE VERY SAME INFORMATION YOU...POSTED




I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

selnor on 12 March 2010
joeorc said:
selnor said:
joeorc said:
ghaleon1980 said:
RAZurrection said:
huaxiong90 said:

Read what Carmack said about the PS3 version.

 

That's nice. Read what Carmack says about the 360 and Rage 360

John Carmack interview with Wired re: PS3


"It's not a bad console; it's certainly far better than everything else
except maybe the Xbox 360. In an ideal world PlayStation 3 will be more
powerful, but for the vast majority of the cases, you'll be able to
effectively exploit more power from the 360."

 Rage preview/interview

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off..."

Another interview

, "...the only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..." And about a minute and a half later, just in case we didn't quite hear him correctly the first time, he said, "...the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360, from our point of view, is the extra space."

...

..."Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. When you get down into actual comparisons on the hardware performance characteristics, it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3's RSX on there.

...


"On the processing side it's a little bit more complicated, where the main processor on the PS3 is roughly equivalent to one of the three processors on the 360. But then you wind up saying, you have to compare two other symmetric processors on the 360 versus the eight quirky cell processors. And that comes down to one of those questions, where if you just look at the raw numbers, the cells are much more powerful. Many more flops on there, in theory you can do a lot more, but that's where you come to the difference between theory and practice. And given an infinite amount of development time on there, you can craft a program that's gonna work more efficiently on the cells there than on two additional processors on the 360. But given a finite amount of development time, it's much-much easier to get things working well on the 360 than it is on the PS3. And that's pretty much the case across the board."

on blu-ray

"And if it winds up getting a benefit because of the blu-ray and having the better compression on there, then it's going to wind up looking like the PS3 was the better machine, even though it really wasn't.."

...

"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it,"

 

Once again, Please explain why the scan is somehow more valid then the rest of his comments? Is it because one favours the PS3 and the rest favours the 360?

 

 

OUCH!!!!  That was cold!

ONCE AGAIN:

CARMACK:

FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE!

IE:

"from our perspective," the speaker is acknowledging that others may see things differently, or may completely disagree. "Not a bad fix" isn't as good as "a good fix," and adding "short-term" is a further caveat. By making a weaker, heavier, more redundant sentence, the speaker makes a weaker statement of support. It's deliberate.

GET THAT!

IT'S FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE:

IE: not every developer will agree with HIM get that through your skull

you are beating a d@mn dead horse

get over it already

Trouble is Joerc, you are posting something older than the info shown to you.

Your whole arguement is pinned on old news. Carmacks more recent statements show that he believes as of right now, the 360 is more capable. I guess the more time spent with both has changed his mind.

From Carmacks most recent perspective he says what has already been posted. Dont keep bringing up Carmacks older outdated opinions and ignoring his more recent up to date opinions.

have you been hit with that very same brick that RAZ has?

look at what you posted, its from the most recent interview from IDSOF'S john Crmack..you posted it..so how am i pointing out old info if I am useing the same info that you posted?

1st

read what you posted!

John Carmack interview with Wired re: PS3


"It's not a bad console; it's certainly far better than everything else
except maybe the Xbox 360. In an ideal world PlayStation 3 will be more
powerful, but for the vast majority of the cases, you'll be able to
effectively exploit more power from the 360."

notice he said "except maybe"

get it

, "...the only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..." And about a minute and a half later, just in case we didn't quite hear him correctly the first time, he said, "...the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360, from our point of view, is the extra space."

notice he said "from our point of view"

get it

but ..but the graphic's card is more powerful..so what if the xbox360's graphic card is more powerful, the PS3's cell processor also does graphic's.

."Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. When you get down into actual comparisons on the hardware performance characteristics, it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3's RSX on there.

notice he states once again "Yeah, I mean that's our positio"

THIS IS THE VERY SAME INFORMATION YOU...POSTED

So let me get this straight. Carmack says theoretically, on paper PS3 is more capable. Yet he clearly says it's not possible in real world gaming to get those numbers. When he says IDEAL world. He is referring to theoretical numbes. We all know in real world testing SPU's work at 70% efficiency. So he clearly says in 'REAL WORLD' terms the 360 has the edge.

Meaning he can and always will get more from the 360. CRYEngine 3 has just blown anything on consoles away at GDC 2010. and RAGE is likely to be up there with CRYEngine 3. There is no single enigne on PS3 or even the uber Alan Wake exclusive engine isnt up there with CRYEngine 3. So basically, Whatever looks better outof the 2 on Crysis 2 will be the best lookign console game when released.



STEKSTAV on 12 March 2010
selnor said:

Whatever looks better outof the 2 on Crysis 2 will be the best lookign console game when released.

No.. because its a multiplatform so the 360 is holding back the PS3 ;) I kid i kid.



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joeorc on 12 March 2010
selnor said:
joeorc said:
selnor said:
joeorc said:
ghaleon1980 said:
RAZurrection said:
huaxiong90 said:

Read what Carmack said about the PS3 version.

 

That's nice. Read what Carmack says about the 360 and Rage 360

John Carmack interview with Wired re: PS3


"It's not a bad console; it's certainly far better than everything else
except maybe the Xbox 360. In an ideal world PlayStation 3 will be more
powerful, but for the vast majority of the cases, you'll be able to
effectively exploit more power from the 360."

 Rage preview/interview

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off..."

Another interview

, "...the only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..." And about a minute and a half later, just in case we didn't quite hear him correctly the first time, he said, "...the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360, from our point of view, is the extra space."

...

..."Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. When you get down into actual comparisons on the hardware performance characteristics, it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3's RSX on there.

...


"On the processing side it's a little bit more complicated, where the main processor on the PS3 is roughly equivalent to one of the three processors on the 360. But then you wind up saying, you have to compare two other symmetric processors on the 360 versus the eight quirky cell processors. And that comes down to one of those questions, where if you just look at the raw numbers, the cells are much more powerful. Many more flops on there, in theory you can do a lot more, but that's where you come to the difference between theory and practice. And given an infinite amount of development time on there, you can craft a program that's gonna work more efficiently on the cells there than on two additional processors on the 360. But given a finite amount of development time, it's much-much easier to get things working well on the 360 than it is on the PS3. And that's pretty much the case across the board."

on blu-ray

"And if it winds up getting a benefit because of the blu-ray and having the better compression on there, then it's going to wind up looking like the PS3 was the better machine, even though it really wasn't.."

...

"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it,"

 

Once again, Please explain why the scan is somehow more valid then the rest of his comments? Is it because one favours the PS3 and the rest favours the 360?

 

 

OUCH!!!!  That was cold!

ONCE AGAIN:

CARMACK:

FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE!

IE:

"from our perspective," the speaker is acknowledging that others may see things differently, or may completely disagree. "Not a bad fix" isn't as good as "a good fix," and adding "short-term" is a further caveat. By making a weaker, heavier, more redundant sentence, the speaker makes a weaker statement of support. It's deliberate.

GET THAT!

IT'S FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE:

IE: not every developer will agree with HIM get that through your skull

you are beating a d@mn dead horse

get over it already

Trouble is Joerc, you are posting something older than the info shown to you.

Your whole arguement is pinned on old news. Carmacks more recent statements show that he believes as of right now, the 360 is more capable. I guess the more time spent with both has changed his mind.

From Carmacks most recent perspective he says what has already been posted. Dont keep bringing up Carmacks older outdated opinions and ignoring his more recent up to date opinions.

have you been hit with that very same brick that RAZ has?

look at what you posted, its from the most recent interview from IDSOF'S john Crmack..you posted it..so how am i pointing out old info if I am useing the same info that you posted?

1st

read what you posted!

John Carmack interview with Wired re: PS3


"It's not a bad console; it's certainly far better than everything else
except maybe the Xbox 360. In an ideal world PlayStation 3 will be more
powerful, but for the vast majority of the cases, you'll be able to
effectively exploit more power from the 360."

notice he said "except maybe"

get it

, "...the only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..." And about a minute and a half later, just in case we didn't quite hear him correctly the first time, he said, "...the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360, from our point of view, is the extra space."

notice he said "from our point of view"

get it

but ..but the graphic's card is more powerful..so what if the xbox360's graphic card is more powerful, the PS3's cell processor also does graphic's.

."Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. When you get down into actual comparisons on the hardware performance characteristics, it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3's RSX on there.

notice he states once again "Yeah, I mean that's our positio"

THIS IS THE VERY SAME INFORMATION YOU...POSTED

So let me get this straight. Carmack says theoretically, on paper PS3 is more capable. Yet he clearly says it's not possible in real world gaming to get those numbers. When he says IDEAL world. He is referring to theoretical numbes. We all know in real world testing SPU's work at 70% efficiency. So he clearly says in 'REAL WORLD' terms the 360 has the edge.

Meaning he can and always will get more from the 360. CRYEngine 3 has just blown anything on consoles away at GDC 2010. and RAGE is likely to be up there with CRYEngine 3. There is no single enigne on PS3 or even the uber Alan Wake exclusive engine isnt up there with CRYEngine 3. So basically, Whatever looks better outof the 2 on Crysis 2 will be the best lookign console game when released.

do you not know what the term

from our point of view

mean's

or FROM our perspective

means?





 



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Lord Flashheart on 12 March 2010

Funnt howe its his point of view but any time it's "only possible on the PS3" it's fact and never questioned.



Official member of the Xbox 360 Squad

joeorc on 12 March 2010
Lord Flashheart said:
Funnt howe its his point of view but any time it's "only possible on the PS3" it's fact and never questioned.

well SAYING SOMETHING IS A FACT WHEN THEY STATE "FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW" IS NOT A FACT IS IT?

NO IT'S AN OPINION.

both side's are at faut for that so it's not just Sony fan's.

so why just single out fans from one side?

/ just saying not directed @ you  because your cool like that.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Doobie_wop on 12 March 2010
Lord Flashheart said:
Funnt howe its his point of view but any time it's "only possible on the PS3" it's fact and never questioned.

It's alway's questioned... every thread that begins with that comment is filled with people questioning it. Every thread that put's the PS3, the Wii and the 360 in a positive light, contains plenty of negative comments. I havn't been in a PS3 thread yet, were an argument doesn't start or a whole bunch of people don't come in just to troll randomely. It happen's to all the platforms, everyone should just get over it.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

Lord Flashheart on 12 March 2010

You go to the PS3 threads more because i've been in plenty with out trolling.



Official member of the Xbox 360 Squad