PS3 definitely will sell over 100m. Not sure, by how much more.

Just remeber, that PS3 still hasn`t reached 199$ price. Yet, after reaching 299$ it sold over 1m in one month.

@Hus,

This place is not 99% PS3 haters. It isnt hate at all it is amazement that so many people here think that Sony is just waiting to hook the PS3 up to the PS2 sales faucet. It aint gonna happen.

@SolidSnake08,

Nope dont live in Europe. I just believe that a great deal of the people that must have GT5 have already purchased a PS3. Either they simply have done it for other titles, or knowing that GT5 was coming eventually or for GT5P.

Look at Halo 3 initial months effects on 360 sales. Sold what maybe 500K extra consoles when the install base of the 360 was about 1/4 the PS3 current install base.

vaio said: Hus said: thx1139 said: Part 3 will see sales at about the same level. Putting the PS3 at about 13M in sales for 2010. You forgot Part 3.1 - GT5 is released, all past sales numbers go out the window. Part 3.2 - With its release, significant majority of European HD console sales are PS3s.   If its released in Oct/Nov GT5 will effectivly kill holiday 360 sales in Europe.  I stand by this and always have.    we all know your pro ps3 agenda and your predictions about the competition: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=14021 March 27 2007: they are alreay outdated. wii is dead in the next year and a half. Predicting ps 3 pricecut in 2007: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=13713 March 25 2007: 65 nano Cell Br prices droping E engine axed lookin like this year. Comments on the Wii again http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=20124 APR 11 2007:wii is a kiddy fad, they are right. Why the Wii wont reach 80 million: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=15921 March 31:Ohhh some one has some time to kill. Pretty optimistic. wiis hardware hdtv penetration future proofed competitiors are working agianst its sales Predicting PS3 will pass 360 by august 2007: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=20314 APR 11 2007: 360 is only selling well in NA, during the summer and into Xmas Ps3 will fire the big guns and eat 360s potential sales.  around august 360 will be surpassed. Thoughts on Nintendo and Wii: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=22262 APR 15 2007:  its the kiddwii!!!  NIn has always been kiddy oriented, its just reality. Predicting Wii too out in 2009: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=23015 no worries, wii 2 will be out in 2009!!! Some thought about xbox live: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=24569 APR 20: live is a joke.  Home will destroy it. Prediction about the 360: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=132111 AUG 9 2007: 360 is heading down and nothing can stop that. As soon as mid 08 or late xmas 08 360 is in 3rd place. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- N ot very much of what you say is based in reality and most of it is pro Sony no mutter what. You have been drinking so much Sony cool aid that nothing you say can be taken seriously. You have been thinking that Wii, xbox and xbox live would sink since 2007 and that by mid 2008 Sony would rule both in consoles and online and even though reality has shown you a different picture you just keep on speewing Sony propaganda and unrealistic predictions.

 

You can't even say ownage with this post as it goes beyond that, Vaio just took out the blow torch and burned Hus Hostel style.

 

Exactly it's like it's hard to accept reality, the PS3 is a great console and has done well and improved over it's rocky start but the ship they once rode on to domination has been hijacked and is long gone, it's not hating it's just being realistic. The 360 has provided a worth while alternative to the PS3 even if it eventually gets outsold and the Wii has orchestrated a market shift and come back for Nintendo, people are banging on about GT5 like it's the second coming of Christ when really Halo Reach, Mario and Zelda will offset it's impact soon after their releases, I live in Europe believe me most of the fanbase will already have a PS3 for GT5.

Hus said: vaio said: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- N ot very much of what you say is based in reality and most of it is pro Sony no mutter what. You have been drinking so much Sony cool aid that nothing you say can be taken seriously. You have been thinking that Wii, xbox and xbox live would sink since 2007 and that by mid 2008 Sony would rule both in consoles and online and even though reality has shown you a different picture you just keep on speewing Sony propaganda and unrealistic predictions. Atleast from day one i backed them. And 99% of this place drinks to much Sony hate to be taken seriously. You all had been thinking PS3 is to expensive it will be dead right of the bat, the games will never come their is no saving it.   Sony should focus on PS4 blahh blahh and so on. It goes the other way to. When reality is the doomed over priced console has out sold the wii before, is out selling the 360 in Europe and is down right on 360s heals in its home market.  And doing all that while still being most expensive. Only unrealistic predictions have come from sony haters, its has survied and now is kicking ass.  Had Sony got their games out sooner, 360 would have already been sunk.  Hell all they had to do is released GT5 at the time of the Slim/price drop and 360 would be long dead in Europe.  But sadly no.  Once 360 is dealt with, theres only one left.  My predictions are coming true, taking their god damn time but better late then never.  Unlike most most predictions on here of PS3 death, most have been proven DEAD WRONG.  Mine are still alive to be proven right.

*sighs* Let's take this one paragraph at a time, shall I?

-Backing something does not make it right. There were people who backed Nintendo in the 64/GC days, did that suddenly have them taking off like a rocket? You can back Sony all you want, but it doesn't make what you believe right.

-Too much Sony hate? Given that polls seem to indicate that this site has the heaviest pro-Sony leaning of all the consoles? No, it's a matter of being able to step back and look at the whole picture. The price launch of the PS3 was criticized fairly; only 1 system to date had launched at a price that high before: Neo-Geo. But SNK didn't market it to the mainstream, like Sony was the PS3. Neo-geo would not have gotten high sales if marketted to everyone; they knew its price was too high. Sony bucked this, and tried anyway- to a slow uptake. And before you try citing 'from launch' sales (because I know that's what you'll fall back on) to the 360, remember that the 360 was first to launch, and adoption to new tech (in this case, HD gaming) is always slow. The 360s first year was laying the groundwork for the gen.

-Sony would not be focusing on the PS4, not after their hyping of the "10 year plan" (which is up to the market, not Sony, to decide) and all the idiotic things they said around the PS3 launch. Work 2 jobs for one? Sell 5 million for $1000 with no games? They're not grounded in reality; the last time a company was that arrogant, their system faltered rather severely. Oh, wait... it's happening again...

-Outselling a console for a week or a month is a data blip. There were weeks when the XBox or the Gamecube outsold the PS2, did they suddenly start flying off the shelves, leaving the PS2 to linger on a long-term basis? As for Europe, that's always been a strong Sony territory; the fact that it took them this long to outsell the 360 is nothing to be celebrating. And in the Americas, well... we'll see... I'm still skeptical of anything long-term. But I do not see it catching the NA 360 lifetime.

-Unrealistic predictions come from all sides. Look at the pro-Sony analysts- they've also made unrealistic predictions that have been shot down. Likewise, both sides are capable of making realistic predictions. Unfortunately, I can't peg yours as such; they fall in the former category. Oh, and GT5 now will save the PS3? Okay, where's that person with a blackboard in their signature? Time and time again, "X game will save the PS3!" They created your blips, sure. But a month later, it was back to the old status quo. I see GT5 as another of the "blips" that you like to try to extrapolate as sole data: creating great sales for a week or 2. But the diehard GT fans have already bought a system for the "paid demo", which even you called it in another post. Do I think the PS3 can pass the 360 worldwide? Maybe. And, the "only one left" being the Wii? Not happening.

-Umm... no, both sides, including yours, have had predictions shot down. And if you're going to try to play the technicalities card of likes like "as early as", then it's played for both sides, and nobody's out of the game yet. But, let's look at some of your prior quotes posted in this thread, shall I?

>March 27 2007: they are alreay outdated. wii is dead in the next year and a half.
Dead. September 2008's long gone, and the Wii is still outselling the PS3 on a regular basis.

>March 25 2007: 65 nano Cell Br prices droping E engine axed lookin like this year.
Sounds like a Pachter-type prediction to me! Keep saying it, and it'll have to be right eventually...

>APR 11 2007:wii is a kiddy fad, they are right.
Hmm... no? It's been too long for a "fad." And going by Sony and Microsoft implementing motion now, I'd be more apt to call it a "trend."

>March 31:Ohhh some one has some time to kill. Pretty optimistic.
>wiis hardware hdtv penetration future proofed competitiors are working agianst its sales
Okay, so HDTV penetration is up from then, yet Wii still sells about a million a month. In less than 2 years, this pace will put it at 80 million. And there is no such thing as "future proof" in electronics, no matter how much Sony tries calling their PS3 such. It adds potential for consumer appeal, but if the interest is still significantly below some other stuff, it still won't last. I do see the Wii hitting 80 million without any trouble. It's still potentially alive, but it won't be for long.

>APR 11 2007: 360 is only selling well in NA, during the summer and into Xmas Ps3 will fire the big guns and eat 360s potential sales.
>around august 360 will be surpassed.
Really? Dead. It was only recently when 360 got caught in Europe, and it's still miles away in NA.

>APR 15 2007: its the kiddwii!!!
>NIn has always been kiddy oriented, its just reality.
Again, failed. The Wii is not "kiddy" oriented, it is "family" oriented. Meaning that parents can also play. It was designed to be easy to get into, and they have succeeded at that. Nintendo has gotten people of all ages playing, including those often maligned kids and elderly groups. I'm 28 myself, and I play quite a bit on the Wii. What gets me? Nostalgia. Most of the "kids" would have no interest in the VC, showing that Nintendo does in fact have different things for different people. Want me to spin it? Sony knows that what sells best to kids is violence and sex, and the ability to call it "mature", despite not really being such. So Sony caters best to these kids. Sounds full of shit? Sure, and it's just as full as what you're trying to say.

>no worries, wii 2 will be out in 2009!!!
This is 2010 now, so... dead. And to top it off, I don't see one this year, either. Or next, but I'm not as confident in that.

>APR 20: live is a joke. Home will destroy it.
Live... is still growing. Both of them have enough differences that they really can be seen as seperate products at this point. While they have similarities, I don't see one being able to kill the other. And, with no sign of either one of them going away, I feel confident in calling this one dead. You might want to grasp at the straws, but Live's been around now for almost a decade, and it keeps getting stronger. And with MS pulling more devices into it, it will only keep growing.

>AUG 9 2007: 360 is heading down and nothing can stop that. As soon as mid 08 or late xmas 08 360 is in 3rd place.
Again, dead. And it matches another prediction that was already killed, just with a later date. As I said above, it may happen later. I think the deal with Natal vs Arc will determine second place. But again, you're trying to leave it so open as to still call it alive, but really, with a date so old, it's basically another Pachter-esque prediction that's yet to happen- keep saying it, and it might happen...

Hus said: Viper1 said: So how many copies of LittleBigPlanet was supposed to sell?  5 million, 10 million, 20 million?  And which game was it again that supposed to crush Wii and X360 and make PS3 dominate?  Lair, MotorStorm, KillZone, Resistance, LittleBigPlanet, MGS 4, Uncharted, etc...?  When X game comes out, it's over for Wii.  Do I need to link to all those threads? And of course we've seen nothign but failure from the pro analysts thus far, why give them the benefit fo the doubt now?   Vaio, damn good post. And i have seen nothing buy mega failures from most of you on here, why give any of you the benefit of the doubt ? Many of you here backed selnor in his delusional crusade of Forza over GT.  Hell not a single one of you gave the Slim any chance of doing what it actually ended up doing.  Even these days many deny Gran Turismos sales capability, even though its pay for demo did 4.5 million.

Way to do overgeneralising inaccuracy.

Wow .....

I have to wonder what goes on in some people's minds sometimes.... it's as if they see everyone as against them even if only 1 or 2 people are arguing (perhaps wrongly, perhaps rightly)

Someone is going to have to point me to something that shows that "99% are PS3 haters" considering the PS3 fans seem to cover about 50% of the active forum community here.... and I would love to see some proof that more than a few deluded individuals thought Forza 3 would outsell GT5.

I will have to repost my earlier comments I think --->

TWRoO said: Hus said: SOLIDSNAKE08 said: you should have been around in 2007 and 2008. ps3 was getting so much stick. people were doubting if it would even hit 30 million. honestly! lets face it. we dont know what gonna happen this gen. its too unpredictable. Well i was here, and its still the same thing. Foolish doubters proven wrong with time, over and over and over.  People just don't ever learn. The few who were convinced it would sell less than that were fools, but the possibility was there (and in a big way) through PS3s 2007 sales. Just like there is still a posibility it will not manage 50 million sales, and I would say an equal possibility it passes 90 million, but in all probability it will remain between those numbers (i'd say 70-75 million is a fairly good bet) You also have to remember back then, at least into mid-2008, this website was still very Nintendo dominant, there are not many forum goers who actually look at the numbers properly before stating random targets... I find this website really good for avoiding the reams of internet trolls, but that doesn't stop it being full of deluded fans of all three consoles.

 

Miguel_Zorro said: What are you guys going to say if these analysts turn out to be right? What if, a year from now, the Wii is in 3rd place in the Americas in monthly sales?

"Boy, we sure got that wrong guys!". I personally admit I got things wrong, I didn't see Wii's 2009 coming when I should have.

What will the PS3 fans say when it doesn't? Oh right, "just wait till...". Want proof? Look at the predictions of when PS3 would beat 360 in worldwide sales. Have any of those guys have changed their tunes? It's always next year.

Miguel_Zorro said: What are you guys going to say if these analysts turn out to be right? What if, a year from now, the Wii is in 3rd place in the Americas in monthly sales?

We'll say well done analysts, you got everything vastly wrong (most were predicting the Wii would never manage 30 million worldwide)

As for this particular analyst, well first of all a year from now is a pretty short timescale, something really really drastic would have to happen to turn trends so fast (late 2008 and early 2009 for instance there were hardly any Wii games releasing to help the system.... it took until late March/April for the Wii to slow down noticably, and didn't get outsold until the PS3 slim release) if however something like that did happen, we could say congratulations, finally a prediction turned out ok, can't be wrong all the time after all.