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famousringo on 08 March 2010

Okay, if this is serious...

Graphics will have almost nothing to do with the success or failure of the Wii 2. The people who care about graphics will already have a PS360 of similar power, and the people who don't care about graphics are just going where they can find the games they like.

The Wii 2 will hinge on something else. Maybe interactivity, maybe distribution method, probably something we haven't even thought of. Graphics just aren't very important. Nintendo's too smart to get into an arms race so expensive where the stakes are so small.



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De85 on 08 March 2010
Bamboleo said:
@ Greenmedic88

I agree with everything =)

@De85

That mario image is exactly the opposite of what Nintendo may pull of for Wii2.
And in the gamecube gen the consoles wasn't much successful due to its lack of third party support because of the ridiculous 1.5gb discs.

The userbase was as big as the Xbox one, if Gamecube used regular disc size we would've seen GTA on it.

I believe next gen we will see a GTA on a Nintendo home console! BELIEVE

The mario image was just a joke, it's not actually what I think mario will look like either.  As for third parties, it will take more than just a more powerful Wii to convince them to release games on it...



.jayderyu on 08 March 2010
stof said:
It's hard to speak of dominance now only because of how the Wii has shown just how unpredictable things can get, especially with the future of videogame interactivity largely unwritten.

So if the successor to last gen's most popular console maintains a unique or interesting variety of interactive gameplay, while combining some of the best and most recognizable first party software in the business with a proportionate helping of major third party efforts, it's hard to see how it could do anything less than sell a crap load of hardware.

I don't think so. This implies luck and chance, but history in a variety of business, service and product area disprove this. If anything the Wii shows how predictable the market really is when comparing the market over a long period of time and industry that extends past the Video Gaming. Consumers move towards or created when more accessible and is well supported.

Wii certainly had the accesible at least in comparison to other consoles and Wii Sports was an excellent starting support. Next gen it is sure that Nintendo will have strong support again; probably better than this gen, but it will be determined if that can be undermined with superior accesibility of needs/wants and better support.

So while I agree that the market can change again. I do believe that if we don't scoff at anything coming out and instead consider the values of the next machines to how well they are accesible with the features they offer and the support. We can predict the winner by knowing when machine announcements are made, before the release of said machines.

So while I don't believe that Natal will do much this generation. Natal could be very influencial next generation if the support base is there.



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stof on 08 March 2010
.jayderyu said:
stof said:
It's hard to speak of dominance now only because of how the Wii has shown just how unpredictable things can get, especially with the future of videogame interactivity largely unwritten.

So if the successor to last gen's most popular console maintains a unique or interesting variety of interactive gameplay, while combining some of the best and most recognizable first party software in the business with a proportionate helping of major third party efforts, it's hard to see how it could do anything less than sell a crap load of hardware.

I don't think so. This implies luck and chance, but history in a variety of business, service and product area disprove this. If anything the Wii shows how predictable the market really is when comparing the market over a long period of time and industry that extends past the Video Gaming. Consumers move towards or created when more accessible and is well supported.

Wii certainly had the accesible at least in comparison to other consoles and Wii Sports was an excellent starting support. Next gen it is sure that Nintendo will have strong support again; probably better than this gen, but it will be determined if that can be undermined with superior accesibility of needs/wants and better support.

So while I agree that the market can change again. I do believe that if we don't scoff at anything coming out and instead consider the values of the next machines to how well they are accesible with the features they offer and the support. We can predict the winner by knowing when machine announcements are made, before the release of said machines.

So while I don't believe that Natal will do much this generation. Natal could be very influencial next generation if the support base is there.

Ah, I should clarify. I say unpredictability not in the sense of what people will buy (as it was pretty clear to just about everybody but third party developers that the Wii was going to be huge), but in terms of the unpredictability of what console manufacturers will come out with. Wii inspired motion and interactive inputs will be the norm now no doubt, but there are so many different ways they can be implemented and so many other options that sprout from them that we will most likely never see another console come down the pike as predictable as the PS3/360 (it's like the last console, but there's more power)



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Cthulhu on 08 March 2010
stof said:
The major benefit to the next console being in HD is that that, along with other hardware power upgrades, will bring the new Nintendo console in to closer tech comparison with it's competition. While I completely understand Nintendo's reasons for not putting powerful hardware in to the Wii, it's quite clear that it has cost the system dozens upon dozens of multiplat games.

It has also detracted from the Wii's ability to come out with those kinds of "epic beautiful" games that do, despite what some might say, move hardware.

Going HD will be a significant boon to the next nintendo console, as it will be competing for all those "hardcore" gamers who are currently playing on the HD consoles far more successfully than it is now.

How you are so sure that Sony and MS wont create unreal machines one more time? I believe that next gen Nintendo will be HD (late 6 years) but compared with the others will be once more behind a lot



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Metallicube on 08 March 2010

If Nintendo is to maintain the console domination in the next gen, it will have little or nothing to do with HD. What they need is another disruptive gaming technology that will reach out to a new base of non gamers and ex gamers, that will differentiate themselves from the competition. They also need the software to support this new hardware well, making new types of games, but also sticking true to their old franchises as well.



LordTheNightKnight on 08 March 2010

"I believe that next gen Nintendo will be HD (late 6 years) but compared with the others will be once more behind a lot"

Only if Sony and Microsoft can do it without losing loads of money, or they fail to realize that higher specs at what you are suggesting will again cost them loads in losses.



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stof on 08 March 2010
Cthulhu said:
stof said:
The major benefit to the next console being in HD is that that, along with other hardware power upgrades, will bring the new Nintendo console in to closer tech comparison with it's competition. While I completely understand Nintendo's reasons for not putting powerful hardware in to the Wii, it's quite clear that it has cost the system dozens upon dozens of multiplat games.

It has also detracted from the Wii's ability to come out with those kinds of "epic beautiful" games that do, despite what some might say, move hardware.

Going HD will be a significant boon to the next nintendo console, as it will be competing for all those "hardcore" gamers who are currently playing on the HD consoles far more successfully than it is now.

How you are so sure that Sony and MS wont create unreal machines one more time? I believe that next gen Nintendo will be HD (late 6 years) but compared with the others will be once more behind a lot

I'm not sure, at least not any more sure that Nintendo won't also create an unreal machine. The notion that the next Nintendo console will once again be dramatically less powerful than the other two is no more certain an assumption. 

All we really know is that the next Nintendo console will be HD and be significantly more powerful than the Wii (and yeah, we do know that). We don't know at all what the next Sony and Microsoft consoles will be like.



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Bamboleo on 08 March 2010

@ Metallicube

Iwata already said that HD is a given for the next home console.

So it shall have something to do with HD don't you think?

Whatever new disruptive technology they come up with, graphics have to be there, and so they will be HD for sure.



Lurker on 08 March 2010

Nintendo games in HD won't even be a big leap. They'll still have the cartoony look to them.