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Khuutra said:
WereKitten said:
Khuutra said:
Hey what is everybody's favorite music player? I'm just using Rhythmbox at the moment, but I have heard good things about Amarok.

Are you familiar with the Gnome/KDE feud? They are the two big options under Linux for desktop environments, and Ubuntu defaults to Gnome.

Amarok is beloved by many and offers countless plugins and features, whereas Rythmbox is more bare-bones (thought suited to my needs, ie to have my playlists going while I code and keep my music tagged and ordered).

Being a KDE application Amarok might look aestethically and functionally slightly out-of-place in the Gnome environment, though you can theme it to be closer to the rest of the Gnome environment. Plus, it will bring a slight overhead in memory consumption because it will need to load different libraries from the rest of the environment. Unless you are really memory constraint this shouldn't be an issue, though... I liberally mix and match applications from the two parts with no troubles.

Other players you might want to look into are banshee and muine. If you like simple and to the point (your pidgin remark), then you might like muine over rythmbox, but amarok will probably feel like overdoing it.

Well it's true I do like simplicity. I'm converting my MP3 collection to .ogg right now...

I'm gonna give muine a shot, then. Thanks.

And I am not at all familiar with the Gnome/KDE feud, do tell me more.

I'm not to familiar with it, but KDE and Gnome are the two biggest desktop environments in Linux. As far as I know Gnome typically is the desktop of choice for default installs (or maybe just all the distros I use). Think of it like PS3 vs. X360. Just a bunch of fanboys with similar things constantly arguing over which is better when both are very capable items.

Here is a summary of the differences (which are all very minor other than layout in my limited opinion)

Generally, KDE focuses on offering as many features as possible with as many graphical ways as possible for configuring those features. Fans of KDE highlight the functionality it has. Critics of KDE say the menus are too confusing.

Gnome, on the other hand, opts for simplicity and often hides certain configurations in order to achieve that simplicity. Fans of Gnome think the simplicity of Gnome offers a cleanliness that allows the user to get stuff done. Critics of Gnome think it just lacks certain functionality.

 

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Anyways, for my most recent "linux experience" I came so close to using Ubuntu on my new HTPC, but then found out that netflix won't run on linux so I bought Windows 7. I may switch to linux for my current main home PC, but probably not until after it's been replaced by a new main Windows PC.




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I got my mom to start using Ubuntu. She was getting angry at vista, and how slow it was working. She is happy with it. There wasn't any learning curve either because she is just as hindered in windows as she is in linux. In some ways even more so in windows. She also like compiz-fusion. :D



@Khuutra
Basically what nordlead said: Gnome and KDE come each with their slightly different approach in interfaces and attitude. The KDE camp is generally more about very powerful and configurable applications. The Gnome camp is generally more about offering less customization -or hiding it behind admin-level tools- and simpler experiences.

A lot of fanboy silliness ensues, sadly, but they both offer very valid environments.

You can totally use KDE applications such as Amarok in Ubuntu's Gnome, or install KDE and run Gnome apps such as rythmbox in it. The only downside (besides slight memory and HDD penalties, as I said) is that you might notice inconsistencies e.g. in button ordering (Gnome orders button Cancel-Ok a-la-Mac ; KDE orders them Ok-Cancel a-la-Windows) or in how other UI elements behave.

If you don't care about those littleendians vs bigendians disputes (you have bigger inconsistencies in windows between the media player, office and other applications) then you can totally forget the Gnome/KDE thing :) If you're an interface consistency freak, on the other hand, you might want to stick with applications of one camp only.



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I use Gentoo and paludis as my package manager. It's a very versatile system but it's not that hard to mess it up royally. (To be fair you can do this with any distro.) If you're new to linux then setting up a Gentoo machine is liable to be a daunting task. I tried using their friendly install dvd on amd64 and it was riddled with bugs including missing packages. So I stick to source installs.



IllegalPaladin said:

I tried Ubuntu for a short time. I'd like to install it again at some point and try it out for regular computer usage like internet and such.

Though on more than one occasion the Ubuntu live CD saved my ass when Windows was screwed and I needed to save some files for myself or somebody else.

This!  Linux has made using Windows so much better and safer than it used to be... it brings a tear to my eye...

 

 

Everyone should have a live CD.  Ubuntu is great.



 

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Wow. I didn't realize that there were such clear and different design ideologies running behind different distros!

I'm not surprised that it leads to stupidity and fanboyism, though. That's par for the course.



I have Windows 7 if I want to play games, and be extremely unproductive.

I launch into Ubuntu, default Gnome, to do work since there are so few distractions.

I launch into BackTrack4 to do awesome (LEGAL) stuff, it runs on KDE.



Gnome? KDE? To bulky!  

Fluxbox is the way to go!

@ Gnome vs. KDE debate: You can install anything in anything as long as you have the libraries (Gnome apps in KDE and vice versa).  Things such as K-torrent (the only torrent client I will EVER use in Linux) needs the KDE libraries to run and so forth.  Gnome is probably the easist to use for most beginners (which is why its defaulted in most beginner Distro's).  When I installed linux on my PS3, I just left Gnome installed, but on my laptop/desktop the only windowmanger I use is Fluxbox.

Anyone remmeber Lindows? Funny ass stuff.