i want to know everything about this plan, cons and pros, people who will get benefied for it, your point of view.

Yeah, so does everyone in Congress. Apparently it was over 1,000 pages long back in July and it's only grown since then.   They all readily admit to having not read the whole thing or even a good chunk of it.

The gist of it is simply a single-payer system such that the government pays 100% of the costs of your health care.


The pros and cons are going to be subjective to the beliefs of the person providing them. So you'll never get a valid list of pros and cons due to the dichotomy of opinion over the bill.


With that in mind, I'll present my cons in short form. Pros do not exist at all.

Further burdens the tax payer and national debt.
Reduces the health insurance industry to nothing.
Empowers the government.
Failure is imminent (See all other government programs).
It removes the free market economy even further than it already is.
It clashes with the Capitalistic principles our nation was founded and operates on.
Far better health care reform options exist and are being completely ignored.

this right here is the wosrt thing. Congress shouldn't even be voting on something they don't understand at all. It's funny though. I've seen some debates with suporters of the bill, and they get asked the same question as above, but they can't answer because all they know is that Obama said it was good

There are a couple of guys in Congress that have a personal policy to either not vote or vote no on any bill they've not been able to read. Like the bailout bill....they put that in front of everyone with just 3 days to read 10,000 pages. Impossible.

These bills are getting bloated for the sole purpose of keeping them from actually scrutinizing the bill and just going by the ideas and words of the bill author or pusher.

I do believe there is a bill being put forth that will ensure that all bills be adequately read by everyone in Congress before a vote is allowed.

National healthcare is a good thing if it works, like it does in many European countries... But the USA's government couldn't organise an piss up in a brewery (without it costing $1.2 trillion anyway).

I've heard different things about national healthcare in Europe. Long waiting lines,people dying before they can get an appointment. Out of control budget in Europe. That's just what I've seen on the news. Samething in Canada.

Highwaystar101's life tip #1462 - Everything you read and hear in the news is complete pile of crap.

We get horror stories about the healthcare in the UK too, stories about people dying before they see a doctor, people in queues for hours. Let me tell you something, it's bollocks. Those stories do not represent the status quo, they are for the most part isolated cases that the media has sensationalised to sell papers and gain viewers.

It makes better news than "Everything is A-OK".

Fair enough it's not as efficient as private, but it's a good system. I rarely find I have to wait too long to see a doctor.

I should be a congressmen.  I read a good chunk of it... not too good.

There isn't anything really to hold down costs.  They're talking about adding on a government agency that could maybe possibly decide if a rate increase is too high... that would go in after the bill is passed mind you.

I don't really see such an agency accomplishing much in the face of lobbiests thrown at the agency... since there is little to no real benefit of these people to fight insurance companies since they aren't paying for private insurance.

Let me guess... you heard that from Americans.

We (USA) pay more per person on health care than pretty much the rest of the industrialized world... but they all live longer.  So our current system costs too much and doesn't help enough.  It needs fixing no matter how you slice it.  The "how to fix it" is the argument here.

But hey, I live in San Francisco, and here THE CITY gives me free health care.  There are really annoying long lines, but only when it's not a life-or-death situation.

Easiest way to fix it is to sever the ties between your job and your insurance. You don't get your car insurance, renters insurance, fire insurance, life insurance, etc...from your employer so why do we get our health insurance that way? Because a while back Congress messed with the tax code to allow employers to pay for a portion of an employee's health insurance tax free. By severing the 2, the employer could simply give you their share tax free and you could use that money to set up a medical savings account or buy your own health insurance policy.

Further more, open up the insurance industry to all states. Right now each health insurance provider is stuck to writing policies based on state. You can't live in Florida and buy an insurance policy from California where it would be much cheaper. The current system stifles competition but if it were open across state lines (like all other insurance is), then costs would drop due to competitive market forces.

In other words, get out of the damn way. Let the free market do its thing and we WILL have much cheaper health care costs and better service too. Every facet of medical care or the medical industry that the government is not involved in has seen prices go down and quality of service increase.

This health care bill does the exact opposite by taking every single failed anti-market approach from other US government programs and applies it to health care. When you look at the businesses and programs our government is in and how much they have failed (if they were private sector, they'd have gone bankrupt long ago) and why they've failed, you'd be quite nervous of their deepening involvement in health care.