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Do you believe in angels/demons?

Yes 22 26.51%
 
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Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:

Clearly. 

You can't come up with a logical reason for something to have happened.  Yet still try and come up with silly details that anyone with half a brain would of thought of.  "Something holds the door open when it needs to be open."

Really? 


That guy lived in that house until he was about 25.  I had plenty of chances to look at the door and try and figure out what happened.

You're the kind of person who could see something unexplainable with witnesses... come up and dismiss all possibilities and still be skeptical...

It's a VERY unscientific stance and very delusional.


The difference is... rather then being delusional to the fantastic... it's being delusional to what you know.  It's fairly common.  Scientists who stood in the way of scientific progress often try to explain away things that show their theories are wrong and stand in the way of progress in such cases.

They've always been proven wrong when new discoveries were aloud to be made by those who weren't so close minded.

Calling someone dellusional when they actually apply a scientific approach to figuring something out... is in fact delusional.

your whole argument assumes I am to believe your story, I see no reason to do so as it asserts something that you cant even prove...

Now saying you don't believe me is a much better position. 

Still problematic however since I think i've generally show myself to be a reliable person when it comes to relating the facts.

I would say your not believing me would be soley based on your wanting to not believe me.

Either way, lets switch positions, and say this happened to you, and you went through every logical solution and found none... and then I called you delusional.  What would be your reaction?

It hasnt happened to me though, nor am I claiming it did

unless it does happen to me, (yeah...right...) I cant possibly comment on my reaction, but im smart enough to know that if I couldnt explain it then people wouldnt believe me



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SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:

Clearly. 

You can't come up with a logical reason for something to have happened.  Yet still try and come up with silly details that anyone with half a brain would of thought of.  "Something holds the door open when it needs to be open."

Really? 


That guy lived in that house until he was about 25.  I had plenty of chances to look at the door and try and figure out what happened.

You're the kind of person who could see something unexplainable with witnesses... come up and dismiss all possibilities and still be skeptical...

It's a VERY unscientific stance and very delusional.


The difference is... rather then being delusional to the fantastic... it's being delusional to what you know.  It's fairly common.  Scientists who stood in the way of scientific progress often try to explain away things that show their theories are wrong and stand in the way of progress in such cases.

They've always been proven wrong when new discoveries were aloud to be made by those who weren't so close minded.

Calling someone dellusional when they actually apply a scientific approach to figuring something out... is in fact delusional.

your whole argument assumes I am to believe your story, I see no reason to do so as it asserts something that you cant even prove...

Now saying you don't believe me is a much better position. 

Still problematic however since I think i've generally show myself to be a reliable person when it comes to relating the facts.

I would say your not believing me would be soley based on your wanting to not believe me.

Either way, lets switch positions, and say this happened to you, and you went through every logical solution and found none... and then I called you delusional.  What would be your reaction?

It hasnt happened to me though, nor am I claiming it did

unless it does happen to me, (yeah...right...) I cant possibly comment on my reaction, but im smart enough to know that if I couldnt explain it then people wouldnt believe me

It appears the difference between you and I... is that you are closeminded... which is ironic since you like to claim youself a person of science... which is about exlaining the unknown.

Since you are unwilling to admit or accept the fact that some things ARE unknown.



Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:

It hasnt happened to me though, nor am I claiming it did

unless it does happen to me, (yeah...right...) I cant possibly comment on my reaction, but im smart enough to know that if I couldnt explain it then people wouldnt believe me

It appears the difference between you and I... is that you are closeminded... which is ironic since you like to claim youself a person of science... which is about exlaining the unknown.

Since you are unwilling to admit or accept the fact that some things ARE unknown.

somethings, sure

but I see no reason to believe this particular thing, there is no reason for me to do so, you are not Einstein, this is not a groundbreaking theory, this is supersticion being used to explain something that you CLAIM happened to you



SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:

It hasnt happened to me though, nor am I claiming it did

unless it does happen to me, (yeah...right...) I cant possibly comment on my reaction, but im smart enough to know that if I couldnt explain it then people wouldnt believe me

It appears the difference between you and I... is that you are closeminded... which is ironic since you like to claim youself a person of science... which is about exlaining the unknown.

Since you are unwilling to admit or accept the fact that some things ARE unknown.

somethings, sure

but I see no reason to believe this particular thing, there is no reason for me to do so, you are not Einstein, this is not a groundbreaking theory, this is supersticion being used to explain something that you CLAIM happened to you

I didn't claim anythign being the cause of it.  I simply said it happened and their is currently no logical explination for why it did happen.

As it being "groundbreaking" theory.  You'd never really know would you... your dening that the thing exists at all.

It's more like people denying the idea of dark matter could exist... even though there is no way to explain why the universe is expanding at a faster rate then ever.

Do you personally have any proof the universe is expanding faster then ever?

 



Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:

It hasnt happened to me though, nor am I claiming it did

unless it does happen to me, (yeah...right...) I cant possibly comment on my reaction, but im smart enough to know that if I couldnt explain it then people wouldnt believe me

It appears the difference between you and I... is that you are closeminded... which is ironic since you like to claim youself a person of science... which is about exlaining the unknown.

Since you are unwilling to admit or accept the fact that some things ARE unknown.

somethings, sure

but I see no reason to believe this particular thing, there is no reason for me to do so, you are not Einstein, this is not a groundbreaking theory, this is supersticion being used to explain something that you CLAIM happened to you

I didn't claim anythign being the cause of it.  I simply said it happened and their is currently no logical explination for why it did happen.

As it being "groundbreaking" theory.  You'd never really know would you... your dening that the thing exists at all.

It's more like people denying the idea of dark matter could exist... even though there is no way to explain why the universe is expanding at a faster rate then ever.

Do you personally have any proof the universe is expanding faster then ever?

 

im not a scientist, im just saying I find it hard to believe that something you claim to be unable explain is supernatural, if youre saying you think its unexplanable but might have a scientific explenation, then im willing to listen, saying "I dont know what caused that, so it must be a demon" just sounds like crazy talk to me, do you have a valid theory to back that up? no, its just you jumping to a conclusion based on nothing but an ancient book.



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SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:

It hasnt happened to me though, nor am I claiming it did

unless it does happen to me, (yeah...right...) I cant possibly comment on my reaction, but im smart enough to know that if I couldnt explain it then people wouldnt believe me

It appears the difference between you and I... is that you are closeminded... which is ironic since you like to claim youself a person of science... which is about exlaining the unknown.

Since you are unwilling to admit or accept the fact that some things ARE unknown.

somethings, sure

but I see no reason to believe this particular thing, there is no reason for me to do so, you are not Einstein, this is not a groundbreaking theory, this is supersticion being used to explain something that you CLAIM happened to you

I didn't claim anythign being the cause of it.  I simply said it happened and their is currently no logical explination for why it did happen.

As it being "groundbreaking" theory.  You'd never really know would you... your dening that the thing exists at all.

It's more like people denying the idea of dark matter could exist... even though there is no way to explain why the universe is expanding at a faster rate then ever.

Do you personally have any proof the universe is expanding faster then ever?

 

im not a scientist, im just saying I find it hard to believe that something you claim to be unable explain is supernatural, if youre saying you think its unexplanable but might have a scientific explenation, then im willing to listen, saying "I dont know what caused that, so it must be a demon" just sounds like crazy talk to me, do you have a valid theory to back that up? no, its just you jumping to a conclusion based on nothing but an ancient book.

A) Where did I say demon in this thread.

B) What about a demon is inherently usncientific? 

C) Ancient doesn't mean unscientific.  There is TONS of ancient science we are just getting back today.  Do you know how old eye surgery is for example?  Do you know how many generations passed where eye surgery would of seemed impossible even though it once existed in the past, but just wasn't well enough explained in the source text?  This is true for NUMEROUS inventions.

For example... the first analog computer may have actually been invented in the time of the ancient greeks around 100 BC... along with the ancient battery.  How would the concept of a computer or battery be taken before the 1750's?

Or how long it took to rediscover germ theory?

The truth is, the ancient world was much more scientifically advanced then the supserstiouses bunglers people make them out to be... and nothing should simply be considered pure superstition because of the way they phrased things back then.

 

What they called ghosts, demons and Djinn... very well could exist.  It could be that the phrasing of the words and your bias for the modern age isn't letting you see the forest from the trees about what they really are talking about.

Ancient science in a lot of areas may actually have been as advanced, if not more then our own.

 



twesterm said:

I was actually thinking about this a few weeks ago when I saw Paranormal Activity.

My answer is no, but just like with religion, I'm open to the fact I could be wrong since it's something I can't explicitly prove.

*SPOILERS FOR PARANORMAL ACTIVITY, kind of...*

There's suppodly a demon in the peoples house and the people are told don't agitate it or encourage it.

Knowing I don't believe in demons, I would still follow that advice because:

  1. I could perform tests like fuck with Ouiji Boards and potentially anger it if it does exist or end up in the exact same spot if it didn't.
  2. I could take the advice and continue ignoring it. I don't believe in it anyways so it can't do anything to me.

That movie was such a letdown for me. Way too much hype for a very average, and not very scary movie.



Kasz216 said:


Ancient doesn't mean unscientific.  There is TONS of ancient science we are just getting back today.  Do you know how old eye surgery is for example?  Do you know how many generations passed where eye surgery would of seemed impossible even though it once existed in the past, but just wasn't well enough explained in the source text?  This is true for NUMEROUS inventions.

For example... the first analog computer may have actually been invented in the time of the ancient greeks around 100 BC... along with the ancient battery.  How would the concept of a computer or battery be taken before the 1750's?

Or how long it took to rediscover germ theory?

The truth is, the ancient world was much more scientifically advanced then the supserstiouses bunglers people make them out to be... and nothing should simply be considered pure superstition because of the way they phrased things back then.

 

What they called ghosts, demons and Djinn... very well could exist.  It could be that the phrasing of the words and your bias for the modern age isn't letting you see the forest from the trees about what they really are talking about.

Ancient science in a lot of areas may actually have been as advanced, if not more then our own.

 

Don't forget String theory. Half the civilisations in history have proposed string theory at some point, the ancient Greeks were the first many centuries BC. In fact the modern iteration of string theory is said to have been found in a dusty old maths book from 250 years ago, we just resurrected it.

But yes I agree. The ancients (especially the Greeks) had proposed plenty of theories that at the time they couldn't test and so their explanations were seen as vague. But with modern science you can see a lot of them were based on sound logic.such as atoms. The Greeks thought everything was made out of particles, they just didn't know what the particles were, so they designated them Earth, Wind, Fire and Water. We now know these aren't the elements, but their basic idea was along the right lines.

Also, why do people think ancients thought the Earth was flat? I've never understood that, it's been common knowledge that it's round for a long time.



highwaystar101 said:

Why do people think ancients thought the Earth was flat? I've never understood that, it's been common knowledge that it's round for a long time.

The Bible says the Earth was flat, an idea the Hebrews borrowed from the earliest Babylonian myths. The Catholic Church pushed this idea  because of references Jesus made about a flat Earth, which is why people assume all ancients though this.  To the contrary, the ancients had known for a long time that the Earth was round from the shadow it cast on the moon and the way sailors see objects on the horizon.  Eratosthenes even measured the diameter of the Earth centuries before Jesus was born.



ManusJustus said:
highwaystar101 said:

Why do people think ancients thought the Earth was flat? I've never understood that, it's been common knowledge that it's round for a long time.

The Bible says the Earth was flat, an idea the Hebrews borrowed from the earliest Babylonian myths. The Catholic Church pushed this idea  because of references Jesus made about a flat Earth, which is why people assume all ancients though this.  To the contrary, the ancients had known for a long time that the Earth was round from the shadow it cast on the moon and the way sailors see objects on the horizon.  Eratosthenes even measured the diameter of the Earth centuries before Jesus was born.

No... that's not why people think the earth was flat.   As has already been mentioned to you... like many times before, your mistranslating that section of the bible.

The Catholic Chruch didn't think the earth was flat.

People thought the anicents thought the earth was flat because of a book of fiction, "The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus" written by Washington Irving.  Was one of the most popular books of the 1800's.

Washington Irving is actually known for a lot of the misconceptions people hold... he wrote quite a few historical pieces that were at least partially fiction like that including people like George Washington and Muhhamad.