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KHlover said:
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I would play ET and enjoy it before playing the worst game in all of human history, Chrono Cross.You're not arguing with me because you know I'm right. It's a fact. Chrono Cross is the worst game to ever be created in all of human history. The plot is nonsensical, the game mechanics are awful, and it's a very misanthropic game.

 

Even the music is absolutely terrible. It may have a few decent instrumental songs here and there but the main battle theme - the one musical score that you listen to the most - has an ear-splitting violin sound that hurts your ears. Overall, a game with very poor musical quality because of this fact.

 

The dialogue of the game is stale and uninspired. It becomes a bit pretentious at times since characters like Lynx never get to the point of what they're trying to say. Even worse, when he takes the body, instead of focusing on his so-called goal to succeed in his objectives... he decides to go around doing stupid crap because he suddenly likes having "feelings". Instead of being a serious villain, as he's presented, he just goes on and on about feelings when he could have won. Fate does this while knowing that the Dragons are looking to usurp power to destroy him.

 

Seriously, the plot is abysmal.

 

Then there are the characters. Abysmal dialogues with no emotion. It's like trying to find character development from the pieces in a game of chess. It heavily relies on overused twists like "Luke, I am your father!", despite the fact the twists just make less and less sense.

You're not arguing with me because you know I'm right. It's a fact. Chrono Cross is the worst game to ever be created in all of human history. The plot is nonsensical, the game mechanics are awful, and it's a very misanthropic game.

 

Even the music is absolutely terrible. It may have a few decent instrumental songs here and there but the main battle theme - the one musical score that you listen to the most - has an ear-splitting violin sound that hurts your ears. Overall, a game with very poor musical quality because of this fact.

 

The dialogue of the game is stale and uninspired. It becomes a bit pretentious at times since characters like Lynx never get to the point of what they're trying to say. Even worse, when he takes the body, instead of focusing on his so-called goal to succeed in his objectives... he decides to go around doing stupid crap because he suddenly likes having "feelings". Instead of being a serious villain, as he's presented, he just goes on and on about feelings when he could have won. Fate does this while knowing that the Dragons are looking to usurp power to destroy him.

 

Seriously, the plot is abysmal.

 

 

 

Then there are the characters. Abysmal dialogues with no emotion. It's like trying to find character development from the pieces in a game of chess. It heavily relies on overused twists like "Luke, I am your father!", despite the fact the twists just make less and less sense.



I'll repost my core points on this page since many of you are too ignorant to understand the depravity that is Chrono Cross.

You're not given directions on where to go over half the time, the entire cast is full of cardboard cutout garbage, most of the plot consists of an over-glorified fetch quest, Serge has no character development or reason to be doing ANYTHING, Kid is a stupid brat most of the times, the main villain has no motivation, Disc 2 tries to make the game have plot twist upon plot twist with no correlation or cohesive story connections, they randomly kill off the CT cast for absolutely no frickin' reason at all in the background events, and it served absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

The plot contradicts both itself and Chrono Trigger because:

- the red stone materials were never part of Lavos. This is explicitly shown in Chrono Trigger.

- Serge shouldn't have been able to cross worlds in Lynx's body.

- You never meet the Lynx of your world. It's assumed that he was frozen in the Dead Sea.... too bad that he's not there with the rest of them. I know, I checked.

- The necklace that Kid uses is the same as Marle's. If Schala gave it to Kid and Kid was zapped into the future then how could Marle have ever gotten it? Furthermore, how could the events of Chrono Trigger have ever happened in Chrono Cross if Kid has that necklace?

- Schala has blond hair and wears a white dress. This is an absolutely stupid contradiction that just shows ignorance and laziness.

The suspension of disbelief required is absolutely ridiculous in this game:

- Serge never reacts to any given scenario even when characters ask him too. It's hard to believe that he always reacts in the same shocked way over and over. The Silent Protagonist is a failure in this game because Serge is asked to give his feelings and can only ever reply with "..." as if that's a satisfactory response.

- Kid pulls a knife on the Dragoons who come to take Serge into custody since he's a mysterious intruder. They act as if Kid is in the right when she literally pulls a weapon on the equivalent of police officers.

- Kid uses Viper's daughter as a hostage and yet is somehow said to have 'saved' her. Viper's daughter wouldn't even be in danger if not for Kid literally placing a knife to her throat and using her as a hostage.

- Kid magically forgets the switching of bodies. When next you see her, she's helping Lynx (in Serge's body) to cause a war that's killing innocents by the thousands and comes to literally bomb your small group of escaped refugees with their war ships. Some of the refugees are sick and injured. Somehow Kid is unable to see the difference between a Serge who is amassing a massive army and killing hundreds of thousands of innocents to the Serge that she was camping and sharing stories with in the early parts of the game. All Kid is focused on is murdering Lynx (You in Lynx's body) and doesn't give a damn about the innocent refugees.

- You save a group of Faeries from fire-breathing mechanical Dwarves. You literally stop a genocide. Somehow, the Faeries blame the humans for everything with no explanation on how humanity had anything to do with Dwarves slaughtering Faeries in droves. This is like a sick joke on the very real problems of mass genocide that has unfortunately become more of a problem in recent years.

- Why would Schala save Serge but not a suffering and crying Magus in 600 AD? She saved Serge because she was reminded of Magus... instead of saving the actual Magus. Also, romancing the person who reminds you of your brother is... rather creepy.

Now then, onto Gameplay:

The slow 3 standard attacks makes the game feel slower than other RPG games. The stamina system makes it even more of a drag and the area of effect system just makes the game far too easy. And why're you allowed to run from bosses when it serves no purpose? Or the fact there is no level ups outside of boss battles which makes the entire game even more of a boring chore. Common sense just wasn't factored in when making the game. It's all far too out of the box with no unified theme or even idea of what they wanted for the game.

This is most clear with the cast. Tell me, what in the hell is the point of 43 characters when you only have 3 slots for playable units and one always occupied by the main character? That's just absolutely stupid. There is no nice way to even phrase that. It's just a completely stupid idea with no real thought put into how the game would actually play out.

Lastly, Masato Kato - the creator of Chrono Cross - stole credit for Chrono Trigger from Yuji Horii and Hironbu Sakaguchi. Not only that, he has outright said he hates Yuji Horii for not having 'realistic time travel' when Kato himself went on to make Chrono Cross - which is far, far more unbelievable.

Masato Kato supports child pedophilia too. No, I am not just making this up. He wrote the story of Princess Maker 2. An eroge game that allows the heroine to have sexual relations with her own father. Kato went on to ruin the Mana Series and Ninja Gaiden. He wrote Ninja Gaiden 3. The man is a poison to everything that he works on.



PhoenixKing said:
KHlover said:
E.T for Atari 2600
- random copy/pasted text -

No, I didn't argue with you because I made a low effort comment, commonly known as joke. I'm not in a position to argue anyways since I yet have to play Chrono Cross. Hard to imagine it will be worse than E.T., though

Pay attention to the emoticons, they are a very good indication of how serious a post is :D



PhoenixKing said:
Rafux said:
Aaaaaa Chrono Cross... I love that game, this thread bring back good memories. In my opinion CC is better than Trigger.

 

Look dude, it's better to just accept the facts and stop denying reality. Chrono Cross was the worst game ever created in all of human history. The facts simply speak for themselves. 


Anyway, I guess I'll add more since Chrono Cross is absolutely the worst game ever made in all of history. It simply cannot be denied. Heck, ET, the game that caused the infamous gaming crash is a superior game to Chrono Cross. 


The entire premise of Chrono Cross makes no sense. I don't just mean the lack of an actual goal or purpose throughout the entire story but how they marketed it. The back of the box claims that it's a sequel when the producer repeatedly said it wasn't a sequel despite all the Chrono Trigger references, rehashes of CT's subplots into less interesting and outright stupid formats, and terrible tacked-on elements to try and make it more like CT. 
Overall, it was just a bad attempt at a sequel and the worst game to ever be created. 


Serge simply has no motivation and cannot express any feelings despite being called to it. This becomes damning to the point of gross stupidity as characters repeatedly ask for his opinion despite the fact that he can't give any response besides "..." in such scenes. 


Kid being a "daughter-clone" is just a laughably stupid explanation. It doesn't even make sense and is inherently contradictory. She is either a clone or she isn't. Furthermore, it's pretty sad how forceful they are in making her a mary-sue and appear blameless in every horrific action that she takes. From wanting to kill you to thievery and hell, she's probably a prostitute considering the terrible and facepalm worthy backstory. They force her on you at every given instance and she's technically immortal with her self-reset powers. And really, after the poisoning and stabbing, it's obvious that none of the characters were really going to die and especially not the main heroine. Doing that would've been something interesting and engaging like FF7 and Chrono Cross is the opposite of everything fun. 


Some of the names were just stupid. Luccia is apparently a friend of Lucca's.... Here are two problems, Lucca was homeschooled by her father as no such university of learning ever existed in Chrono Trigger and no such thing exists in Chrono Cross because Viper's academy is for military training and not scientific learning. Even if it did, it couldn't have been the place they learned because El Nido Archipelago didn't even exist until after Chrono Trigger supposedly happened.


The letter Lucca gave Kid makes absolutely no sense. The first part is about how imperative it is that Lucca essentially writes her last will in testament in hopes that Kid understands the dangers. The latter half consists of a good luck and that she'll share important information with Kid later... despite the fact that this is suppose to be her last letter before her imminent death. 


The destruction of Guardia and deaths of the CT cast do not even make sense. Some warlord from some other timeline came to help the goofey idiot from the Antiquity era. Some warlord is more powerful than Lavos? Really? That doesn't even make sense. It isn't even elaborated upon further. Just something we're expected to believe. Furthermore, the darkness beyond time concept makes no sense. Why would people in the erased future want to come back when in CT they clearly expressed wanting to just die? Masato Kato obviously never had any real part of the story. I even doubt his claims of making the 600 AD era. I think he just robbed from Yuji Horii. It's no surprise that Chrono Cross came up with a concept that was ripped straight from Dragon Quest 6.  


I just wanted to let you know that I didn't read any what you wrote, I won't change your mind and you won't change mine, let's move on.



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I copied and pasted it after having written it down myself. 

And good, it's far, far, far, far worse than E.T. 

 

E.T. is the second worst game ever. Chrono Cross is the first. In fact, I can prove this because there are bad batches of Chrono Cross that were never recalled and that I had to return to the play n trade I bought it from for a new copy. Square Enix never recalled it and even sold them into the years of 2008 to get rid of their remaining stock. They still had it because the game did so poorly because it's the worst game in all of human history. Anyway, the game is unplayable in some discs so it deserves a 0/10 rating. 



Rafux said:
PhoenixKing said:
Rafux said:
Aaaaaa Chrono Cross... I love that game, this thread bring back good memories. In my opinion CC is better than Trigger.

 

Look dude, it's better to just accept the facts and stop denying reality. Chrono Cross was the worst game ever created in all of human history. The facts simply speak for themselves. 


Anyway, I guess I'll add more since Chrono Cross is absolutely the worst game ever made in all of history. It simply cannot be denied. Heck, ET, the game that caused the infamous gaming crash is a superior game to Chrono Cross. 


The entire premise of Chrono Cross makes no sense. I don't just mean the lack of an actual goal or purpose throughout the entire story but how they marketed it. The back of the box claims that it's a sequel when the producer repeatedly said it wasn't a sequel despite all the Chrono Trigger references, rehashes of CT's subplots into less interesting and outright stupid formats, and terrible tacked-on elements to try and make it more like CT. 
Overall, it was just a bad attempt at a sequel and the worst game to ever be created. 


Serge simply has no motivation and cannot express any feelings despite being called to it. This becomes damning to the point of gross stupidity as characters repeatedly ask for his opinion despite the fact that he can't give any response besides "..." in such scenes. 


Kid being a "daughter-clone" is just a laughably stupid explanation. It doesn't even make sense and is inherently contradictory. She is either a clone or she isn't. Furthermore, it's pretty sad how forceful they are in making her a mary-sue and appear blameless in every horrific action that she takes. From wanting to kill you to thievery and hell, she's probably a prostitute considering the terrible and facepalm worthy backstory. They force her on you at every given instance and she's technically immortal with her self-reset powers. And really, after the poisoning and stabbing, it's obvious that none of the characters were really going to die and especially not the main heroine. Doing that would've been something interesting and engaging like FF7 and Chrono Cross is the opposite of everything fun. 


Some of the names were just stupid. Luccia is apparently a friend of Lucca's.... Here are two problems, Lucca was homeschooled by her father as no such university of learning ever existed in Chrono Trigger and no such thing exists in Chrono Cross because Viper's academy is for military training and not scientific learning. Even if it did, it couldn't have been the place they learned because El Nido Archipelago didn't even exist until after Chrono Trigger supposedly happened.


The letter Lucca gave Kid makes absolutely no sense. The first part is about how imperative it is that Lucca essentially writes her last will in testament in hopes that Kid understands the dangers. The latter half consists of a good luck and that she'll share important information with Kid later... despite the fact that this is suppose to be her last letter before her imminent death. 


The destruction of Guardia and deaths of the CT cast do not even make sense. Some warlord from some other timeline came to help the goofey idiot from the Antiquity era. Some warlord is more powerful than Lavos? Really? That doesn't even make sense. It isn't even elaborated upon further. Just something we're expected to believe. Furthermore, the darkness beyond time concept makes no sense. Why would people in the erased future want to come back when in CT they clearly expressed wanting to just die? Masato Kato obviously never had any real part of the story. I even doubt his claims of making the 600 AD era. I think he just robbed from Yuji Horii. It's no surprise that Chrono Cross came up with a concept that was ripped straight from Dragon Quest 6.  


I just wanted to let you know that I didn't read any of that, I won't change your mind and you won't change mine, let's move on.



You didn't read it because I'm 100% right. 



PhoenixKing said:
Rafux said:
PhoenixKing said:
Rafux said:
Aaaaaa Chrono Cross... I love that game, this thread bring back good memories. In my opinion CC is better than Trigger.

 

Look dude, it's better to just accept the facts and stop denying reality. Chrono Cross was the worst game ever created in all of human history. The facts simply speak for themselves. 


Anyway, I guess I'll add more since Chrono Cross is absolutely the worst game ever made in all of history. It simply cannot be denied. Heck, ET, the game that caused the infamous gaming crash is a superior game to Chrono Cross. 


The entire premise of Chrono Cross makes no sense. I don't just mean the lack of an actual goal or purpose throughout the entire story but how they marketed it. The back of the box claims that it's a sequel when the producer repeatedly said it wasn't a sequel despite all the Chrono Trigger references, rehashes of CT's subplots into less interesting and outright stupid formats, and terrible tacked-on elements to try and make it more like CT. 
Overall, it was just a bad attempt at a sequel and the worst game to ever be created. 


Serge simply has no motivation and cannot express any feelings despite being called to it. This becomes damning to the point of gross stupidity as characters repeatedly ask for his opinion despite the fact that he can't give any response besides "..." in such scenes. 


Kid being a "daughter-clone" is just a laughably stupid explanation. It doesn't even make sense and is inherently contradictory. She is either a clone or she isn't. Furthermore, it's pretty sad how forceful they are in making her a mary-sue and appear blameless in every horrific action that she takes. From wanting to kill you to thievery and hell, she's probably a prostitute considering the terrible and facepalm worthy backstory. They force her on you at every given instance and she's technically immortal with her self-reset powers. And really, after the poisoning and stabbing, it's obvious that none of the characters were really going to die and especially not the main heroine. Doing that would've been something interesting and engaging like FF7 and Chrono Cross is the opposite of everything fun. 


Some of the names were just stupid. Luccia is apparently a friend of Lucca's.... Here are two problems, Lucca was homeschooled by her father as no such university of learning ever existed in Chrono Trigger and no such thing exists in Chrono Cross because Viper's academy is for military training and not scientific learning. Even if it did, it couldn't have been the place they learned because El Nido Archipelago didn't even exist until after Chrono Trigger supposedly happened.


The letter Lucca gave Kid makes absolutely no sense. The first part is about how imperative it is that Lucca essentially writes her last will in testament in hopes that Kid understands the dangers. The latter half consists of a good luck and that she'll share important information with Kid later... despite the fact that this is suppose to be her last letter before her imminent death. 


The destruction of Guardia and deaths of the CT cast do not even make sense. Some warlord from some other timeline came to help the goofey idiot from the Antiquity era. Some warlord is more powerful than Lavos? Really? That doesn't even make sense. It isn't even elaborated upon further. Just something we're expected to believe. Furthermore, the darkness beyond time concept makes no sense. Why would people in the erased future want to come back when in CT they clearly expressed wanting to just die? Masato Kato obviously never had any real part of the story. I even doubt his claims of making the 600 AD era. I think he just robbed from Yuji Horii. It's no surprise that Chrono Cross came up with a concept that was ripped straight from Dragon Quest 6.  


I just wanted to let you know that I didn't read any of that, I won't change your mind and you won't change mine, let's move on.



You didn't read it because I'm 100% right. 


I love your meltdown.



PhoenixKing said:

Even the music is absolutely terrible



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