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PhoenixKing said:
I'd argue that yes, they are.

Chrono Trigger NEVER made a claim to be any more than it was. Ex: Crono is a just a good kid and he succeeds in his role in the game.

Chrono Cross? Serge is swirled around and the central focal point by being mediator and his father has repeatedly tried to damn him due to this and other events spiraling out of control. How does he feel? "...".

Serge is a failure, Crono wasn't until Cross was introduced and ruined everything by behing the worst game ever created in human history, selling poorly, and helping in Square's fall into a merger.

Seriously dude.  You really should just give up.  You have no points.  All your 'argument' boils down to is 'the game is the worst game ever made' and 'the game has a terrible plot'.  Which others have already stated, there's more to a game than just one thing (IE: the plot).  If 'the plot' was the only thing that you counted towards a game, I could name MANY worse games than Chrono Cross, including some Final Fantasy games.

That aside, as I said in my previous post, there's many other redeeming (and genuinely great) things about Chrono Cross.  But you just seem so blinded by your hatred of this game (and fixated by one thing: the plot) that you can't see it.  So either look at the big picture or drop it.

And for everyones info, both Chrono Cross and Chrono Trigger were written and developed by the same group of people.  The same plot writers.  The same core development staff (plus many additional people than Chrono Trigger got).  The same producers.  Etc.  The only thing that was different this time around was the concept behind the game.  Originally, the concept behind the game was a team up behind Sugiyama of Final Fantasy fame and the Dragon Quest team (Yuji Horii and Akira Toriyama) to quote: 'Make a game in the world of Akira Toriyama'.  There was no big grand scheme to make an epic storyline and no grand blueprint to make a series.   So the only people who weren't involved with Chrono Cross' Development were the original games executive producers (Sakaguchi/Yuji Horii) and Akira Toriyama.  And I doubt many people want to admit that Yuji Horii and Akira Toriyama of Dragon Quest fame was a greater part of the reason that Chrono Trigger was so good (though in my opinion, that is why).

So all you people chastising Chrono Cross for 'ruining' Chrono Trigger, you need to understand, Chrono Trigger was a one time thing.  Like if Nintendo teamed up with Sega to make a Mario/Sonic game or Bioware teamed up with Bethesda to create some crazy MMO.  Chrono Trigger was amazing, but you don't have to hate a game (Chrono Cross) to like another (Chrono Trigger).



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PhoenixKing said:
I'd argue that yes, they are.

Chrono Trigger NEVER made a claim to be any more than it was. Ex: Crono is a just a good kid and he succeeds in his role in the game.

Chrono Cross? Serge is swirled around and the central focal point by being mediator and his father has repeatedly tried to damn him due to this and other events spiraling out of control. How does he feel? "...".

Serge is a failure, Crono wasn't until Cross was introduced and ruined everything by behing the worst game ever created in human history, selling poorly, and helping in Square's fall into a merger.

WTF?

So a silent protagonist that has nothing to do with the plot whatsoever is better than a silent protagonist that is the center of the game?



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When the protagonist says NOTHING about his situation and gives no development when he's meant to? Yes. He was just a block of wood and people kept asking him how he felt, it got annoying.



Kenryoku_Maxis said:
PhoenixKing said:
I'd argue that yes, they are.

Chrono Trigger NEVER made a claim to be any more than it was. Ex: Crono is a just a good kid and he succeeds in his role in the game.

Chrono Cross? Serge is swirled around and the central focal point by being mediator and his father has repeatedly tried to damn him due to this and other events spiraling out of control. How does he feel? "...".

Serge is a failure, Crono wasn't until Cross was introduced and ruined everything by behing the worst game ever created in human history, selling poorly, and helping in Square's fall into a merger.

Seriously dude.  You really should just give up.  You have no points.  All your 'argument' boils down to is 'the game is the worst game ever made' and 'the game has a terrible plot'.  Which others have already stated, there's more to a game than just one thing (IE: the plot).  If 'the plot' was the only thing that you counted towards a game, I could name MANY worse games than Chrono Cross, including some Final Fantasy games.

That aside, as I said in my previous post, there's many other redeeming (and genuinely great) things about Chrono Cross.  But you just seem so blinded by your hatred of this game (and fixated by one thing: the plot) that you can't see it.  So either look at the big picture or drop it.

And for everyones info, both Chrono Cross and Chrono Trigger were written and developed by the same group of people.  The same plot writers.  The same core development staff (plus many additional people than Chrono Trigger got).  The same producers.  Etc.  The only thing that was different this time around was the concept behind the game.  Originally, the concept behind the game was a team up behind Sugiyama of Final Fantasy fame and the Dragon Quest team (Yuji Horii and Akira Toriyama) to quote: 'Make a game in the world of Akira Toriyama'.  There was no big grand scheme to make an epic storyline and no grand blueprint to make a series.   So the only people who weren't involved with Chrono Cross' Development were the original games executive producers (Sakaguchi/Yuji Horii) and Akira Toriyama.  And I doubt many people want to admit that Yuji Horii and Akira Toriyama of Dragon Quest fame was a greater part of the reason that Chrono Trigger was so good (though in my opinion, that is why).

So all you people chastising Chrono Cross for 'ruining' Chrono Trigger, you need to understand, Chrono Trigger was a one time thing.  Like if Nintendo teamed up with Sega to make a Mario/Sonic game or Bioware teamed up with Bethesda to create some crazy MMO.  Chrono Trigger was amazing, but you don't have to hate a game (Chrono Cross) to like another (Chrono Trigger).

1.) The original story writer of Chrono Trigger, Yuji Horii, was not part of Chrono Cross's development. Masato Kato stated he just wrote more details to Horii's story and that the ONLY original work of his in Chrono Trigger was Zeal. Horii, however, wrote the events himself. Kato merely filled the details behind them.

2.) If Chrono Cross was it's own original game, or was suppose to be taken as such, then why did they even bother with Chrono Trigger connections? What was the point? If they were confident in their product why even have a Chrono title? Answer: Chrono Cross was made solely for cashing in on Chrono Trigger's good name.

3.) http://totalplaystation.com/ps2/final-fantasy-xii/news/1045/

Co-developer and Producer of Chrono Cross, Tanaka, speaking of behalf of Chrono Cross and Square Enix to explain it better: Chrono Cross is not a sequel to Chrono Trigger

Lastly,

4.) And I'm speaking like a nerdraging jerk because I have crazy hate for Chrono Cross that I will never let go because the first dungeon kept freezing on my on my ps1 and ps2 when I tried playing it and then I had to play it on the ps3 just to get through the first dungeon because it's the only way I could move past that part and during the time the ps3 firmware wasn't updated enough so "elements" in Chrono Cross wouldn't freeze the game.

 

The plot though is honestly the worst plot I've ever come upon. Yes, even worse than FF4 which was a star wars rip off combined with too much jumping of conclusions, imo.



PhoenixKing said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
PhoenixKing said:
I'd argue that yes, they are.

Chrono Trigger NEVER made a claim to be any more than it was. Ex: Crono is a just a good kid and he succeeds in his role in the game.

Chrono Cross? Serge is swirled around and the central focal point by being mediator and his father has repeatedly tried to damn him due to this and other events spiraling out of control. How does he feel? "...".

Serge is a failure, Crono wasn't until Cross was introduced and ruined everything by behing the worst game ever created in human history, selling poorly, and helping in Square's fall into a merger.

Seriously dude.  You really should just give up.  You have no points.  All your 'argument' boils down to is 'the game is the worst game ever made' and 'the game has a terrible plot'.  Which others have already stated, there's more to a game than just one thing (IE: the plot).  If 'the plot' was the only thing that you counted towards a game, I could name MANY worse games than Chrono Cross, including some Final Fantasy games.

That aside, as I said in my previous post, there's many other redeeming (and genuinely great) things about Chrono Cross.  But you just seem so blinded by your hatred of this game (and fixated by one thing: the plot) that you can't see it.  So either look at the big picture or drop it.

And for everyones info, both Chrono Cross and Chrono Trigger were written and developed by the same group of people.  The same plot writers.  The same core development staff (plus many additional people than Chrono Trigger got).  The same producers.  Etc.  The only thing that was different this time around was the concept behind the game.  Originally, the concept behind the game was a team up behind Sugiyama of Final Fantasy fame and the Dragon Quest team (Yuji Horii and Akira Toriyama) to quote: 'Make a game in the world of Akira Toriyama'.  There was no big grand scheme to make an epic storyline and no grand blueprint to make a series.   So the only people who weren't involved with Chrono Cross' Development were the original games executive producers (Sakaguchi/Yuji Horii) and Akira Toriyama.  And I doubt many people want to admit that Yuji Horii and Akira Toriyama of Dragon Quest fame was a greater part of the reason that Chrono Trigger was so good (though in my opinion, that is why).

So all you people chastising Chrono Cross for 'ruining' Chrono Trigger, you need to understand, Chrono Trigger was a one time thing.  Like if Nintendo teamed up with Sega to make a Mario/Sonic game or Bioware teamed up with Bethesda to create some crazy MMO.  Chrono Trigger was amazing, but you don't have to hate a game (Chrono Cross) to like another (Chrono Trigger).

1.) The original story writer of Chrono Trigger, Yuji Horii, was not part of Chrono Cross's development. Masato Kato stated he just wrote more details to Horii's story and that the ONLY original work of his in Chrono Trigger was Zeal. Horii, however, wrote the events himself. Kato merely filled the details behind them.

2.) If Chrono Cross was it's own original game, or was suppose to be taken as such, then why did they even bother with Chrono Trigger connections? What was the point? If they were confident in their product why even have a Chrono title? Answer: Chrono Cross was made solely for cashing in on Chrono Trigger's good name.

3.) http://totalplaystation.com/ps2/final-fantasy-xii/news/1045/

Co-developer and Producer of Chrono Cross, Tanaka, speaking of behalf of Chrono Cross and Square Enix to explain it better: Chrono Cross is not a sequel to Chrono Trigger

Lastly,

4.) And I'm speaking like a nerdraging jerk because I have crazy hate for Chrono Cross that I will never let go because the first dungeon kept freezing on my on my ps1 and ps2 when I tried playing it and then I had to play it on the ps3 just to get through the first dungeon because it's the only way I could move past that part and during the time the ps3 firmware wasn't updated enough so "elements" in Chrono Cross wouldn't freeze the game.

 

The plot though is honestly the worst plot I've ever come upon. Yes, even worse than FF4 which was a star wars rip off combined with too much jumping of conclusions, imo.

And....you repeated everything I already said, but trying to twist it to make it sound like 'Chrono Cross sucks'.

1) I already spent a whole paragraph stating how the only people who weren't involved with Chrono Cross was Yuji Horii/Akira Toriyama and Sakaguchi.  And no, Yuji Horii wasn't the only person who had imput into the games story.  Masato Kato was a major part of the games story.  He's billed as the 'Story Planner' after all.  And for that matter, people like Sakaguchi and Akira Toriyama also had a big influence on the story as well.

2) Just because a game is 'its own game' doesn't mean it can't be connected to another game or be part of a series.  Every Final Fantasy game is 'its own game'.  But now do they need to cut all ties with their entire series?  Should they cut out all chocobos, Espers and references to Cid?  No.  And Chrono Cross did fine with its references as well.  Just most people don't 'get' them or feel they weren't 'strong' enough (because they were annoyed from the start that the game wasn't a direct sequel).

3) What was the point of posting that article...?  Oh yay, info I already know.

4) You're just going to have to deal with your hate.  I'm just trying to point out, your opinion is being blinded by it.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
PhoenixKing said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
PhoenixKing said:
I'd argue that yes, they are.

Chrono Trigger NEVER made a claim to be any more than it was. Ex: Crono is a just a good kid and he succeeds in his role in the game.

Chrono Cross? Serge is swirled around and the central focal point by being mediator and his father has repeatedly tried to damn him due to this and other events spiraling out of control. How does he feel? "...".

Serge is a failure, Crono wasn't until Cross was introduced and ruined everything by behing the worst game ever created in human history, selling poorly, and helping in Square's fall into a merger.

Seriously dude.  You really should just give up.  You have no points.  All your 'argument' boils down to is 'the game is the worst game ever made' and 'the game has a terrible plot'.  Which others have already stated, there's more to a game than just one thing (IE: the plot).  If 'the plot' was the only thing that you counted towards a game, I could name MANY worse games than Chrono Cross, including some Final Fantasy games.

That aside, as I said in my previous post, there's many other redeeming (and genuinely great) things about Chrono Cross.  But you just seem so blinded by your hatred of this game (and fixated by one thing: the plot) that you can't see it.  So either look at the big picture or drop it.

And for everyones info, both Chrono Cross and Chrono Trigger were written and developed by the same group of people.  The same plot writers.  The same core development staff (plus many additional people than Chrono Trigger got).  The same producers.  Etc.  The only thing that was different this time around was the concept behind the game.  Originally, the concept behind the game was a team up behind Sugiyama of Final Fantasy fame and the Dragon Quest team (Yuji Horii and Akira Toriyama) to quote: 'Make a game in the world of Akira Toriyama'.  There was no big grand scheme to make an epic storyline and no grand blueprint to make a series.   So the only people who weren't involved with Chrono Cross' Development were the original games executive producers (Sakaguchi/Yuji Horii) and Akira Toriyama.  And I doubt many people want to admit that Yuji Horii and Akira Toriyama of Dragon Quest fame was a greater part of the reason that Chrono Trigger was so good (though in my opinion, that is why).

So all you people chastising Chrono Cross for 'ruining' Chrono Trigger, you need to understand, Chrono Trigger was a one time thing.  Like if Nintendo teamed up with Sega to make a Mario/Sonic game or Bioware teamed up with Bethesda to create some crazy MMO.  Chrono Trigger was amazing, but you don't have to hate a game (Chrono Cross) to like another (Chrono Trigger).

1.) The original story writer of Chrono Trigger, Yuji Horii, was not part of Chrono Cross's development. Masato Kato stated he just wrote more details to Horii's story and that the ONLY original work of his in Chrono Trigger was Zeal. Horii, however, wrote the events himself. Kato merely filled the details behind them.

2.) If Chrono Cross was it's own original game, or was suppose to be taken as such, then why did they even bother with Chrono Trigger connections? What was the point? If they were confident in their product why even have a Chrono title? Answer: Chrono Cross was made solely for cashing in on Chrono Trigger's good name.

3.) http://totalplaystation.com/ps2/final-fantasy-xii/news/1045/

Co-developer and Producer of Chrono Cross, Tanaka, speaking of behalf of Chrono Cross and Square Enix to explain it better: Chrono Cross is not a sequel to Chrono Trigger

Lastly,

4.) And I'm speaking like a nerdraging jerk because I have crazy hate for Chrono Cross that I will never let go because the first dungeon kept freezing on my on my ps1 and ps2 when I tried playing it and then I had to play it on the ps3 just to get through the first dungeon because it's the only way I could move past that part and during the time the ps3 firmware wasn't updated enough so "elements" in Chrono Cross wouldn't freeze the game.

 

The plot though is honestly the worst plot I've ever come upon. Yes, even worse than FF4 which was a star wars rip off combined with too much jumping of conclusions, imo.

And....you repeated everything I already said, but trying to twist it to make it sound like 'Chrono Cross sucks'.

1) I already spent a whole paragraph stating how the only people who weren't involved with Chrono Cross was Yuji Horii/Akira Toriyama and Sakaguchi.  And no, Yuji Horii wasn't the only person who had imput into the games story.  Masato Kato was a major part of the games story.  He's billed as the 'Story Planner' after all.  And for that matter, people like Sakaguchi and Akira Toriyama also had a big influence on the story as well.

2) Just because a game is 'its own game' doesn't mean it can't be connected to another game or be part of a series.  Every Final Fantasy game is 'its own game'.  But now do they need to cut all ties with their entire series?  Should they cut out all chocobos, Espers and references to Cid?  No.  And Chrono Cross did fine with its references as well.  Just most people don't 'get' them or feel they weren't 'strong' enough (because they were annoyed from the start that the game wasn't a direct sequel).

3) What was the point of posting that article...?  Oh yay, info I already know.

4) You're just going to have to deal with your hate.  I'm just trying to point out, your opinion is being blinded by it.

1.) Masato Kato explained in an interview that he only got the title because Kitase and Nomura demanded he be given it. He wasn't originally suppose to have it.

2.) Except the characters were directly their, just killed off as ghosts in some completely unnecessary way that wasn't even relevant and therefore was just stupidly put in.

3.) Yes, it's not a sequel/

4.) I'd say the same for your apparent fanboyism, imo.



You're not given directions on where to go over half the time, the entire cast is full of cardboard cutout garbage, most of the plot consists of an over-glorified fetch quest, Serge has no character development or reason to be doing ANYTHING, Kid is a stupid brat most of the times, the main villain has no motivation, Disc 2 tries to make the game have plot twist upon plot twist with no correlation or cohesive story connections, they randomly kill off the CT cast for absolutely no frickin' reason at all in the background events, and it served absolutely no purpose whatsoever.  

 

The plot contradicts both itself and Chrono Trigger because:

 

- the red stone materials were never part of Lavos. This is explicitly shown in Chrono Trigger. 

 

- Serge shouldn't have been able to cross worlds in Lynx's body.

 

- You never meet the Lynx of your world. It's assumed that he was frozen in the Dead Sea.... too bad that he's not there with the rest of them. I know, I checked. 

 

- The necklace that Kid uses is the same as Marle's. If Schala gave it to Kid and Kid was zapped into the future then how could Marle have ever gotten it? Furthermore, how could the events of Chrono Trigger have ever happened in Chrono Cross if Kid has that necklace?

 

- Schala has blond hair and wears a white dress. This is an absolutely stupid contradiction that just shows ignorance and laziness. 

 

The suspension of disbelief required is absolutely ridiculous in this game:

 

- Serge never reacts to any given scenario even when characters ask him too. It's hard to believe that he always reacts in the same shocked way over and over. The Silent Protagonist is a failure in this game because Serge is asked to give his feelings and can only ever reply with "..." as if that's a satisfactory response.

 

- Kid pulls a knife on the Dragoons who come to take Serge into custody since he's a mysterious intruder. They act as if Kid is in the right when she literally pulls a weapon on the equivalent of police officers. 

 

- Kid uses Viper's daughter as a hostage and yet is somehow said to have 'saved' her. Viper's daughter wouldn't even be in danger if not for Kid literally placing a knife to her throat and using her as a hostage. 

 

- Kid magically forgets the switching of bodies. When next you see her, she's helping Lynx (in Serge's body) to cause a war that's killing innocents by the thousands and comes to literally bomb your small group of escaped refugees with their war ships. Some of the refugees are sick and injured. Somehow Kid is unable to see the difference between a Serge who is amassing a massive army and killing hundreds of thousands of innocents to the Serge that she was camping and sharing stories with in the early parts of the game. All Kid is focused on is murdering Lynx (You in Lynx's body) and doesn't give a damn about the innocent refugees. 

 

- You save a group of Faeries from fire-breathing mechanical Dwarves. You literally stop a genocide. Somehow, the Faeries blame the humans for everything with no explanation on how humanity had anything to do with Dwarves slaughtering Faeries in droves. This is like a sick joke on the very real problems of mass genocide that has unfortunately become more of a problem in recent years.

 

- Why would Schala save Serge but not a suffering and crying Magus in 600 AD? She saved Serge because she was reminded of Magus... instead of saving the actual Magus. Also, romancing the person who reminds you of your brother is... rather creepy. 

 

Now then, onto Gameplay:

 

The slow 3 standard attacks makes the game feel slower than other RPG games. The stamina system makes it even more of a drag and the area of effect system just makes the game far too easy. And why're you allowed to run from bosses when it serves no purpose? Or the fact there is no level ups outside of boss battles which makes the entire game even more of a boring chore. Common sense just wasn't factored in when making the game. It's all far too out of the box with no unified theme or even idea of what they wanted for the game. 

 

This is most clear with the cast. Tell me, what in the hell is the point of 43 characters when you only have 3 slots for playable units and one always occupied by the main character? That's just absolutely stupid. There is no nice way to even phrase that. It's just a completely stupid idea with no real thought put into how the game would actually play out. 

 

Lastly, Masato Kato - the creator of Chrono Cross - stole credit for Chrono Trigger from Yuji Horii and Hironbu Sakaguchi. Not only that, he has outright said he hates Yuji Horii for not having 'realistic time travel' when Kato himself went on to make Chrono Cross - which is far, far more unbelievable.

 

Masato Kato supports child pedophilia too. No, I am not just making this up. He wrote the story of Princess Maker 2. An eroge game that allows the heroine to have sexual relations with her own father. Kato went on to ruin the Mana Series and Ninja Gaiden. He wrote Ninja Gaiden 3. The man is a poison to everything that he works on. 



Aaaaaa Chrono Cross... I love that game, this thread bring back good memories. In my opinion CC is better than Trigger.



I like Chrono Cross, but it suffers from having too many characters, the character design is also weak. It's not Chrono Trigger, that's for sure.



Rafux said:
Aaaaaa Chrono Cross... I love that game, this thread bring back good memories. In my opinion CC is better than Trigger.

 

Look dude, it's better to just accept the facts and stop denying reality. Chrono Cross was the worst game ever created in all of human history. The facts simply speak for themselves. 


Anyway, I guess I'll add more since Chrono Cross is absolutely the worst game ever made in all of history. It simply cannot be denied. Heck, ET, the game that caused the infamous gaming crash is a superior game to Chrono Cross. 


The entire premise of Chrono Cross makes no sense. I don't just mean the lack of an actual goal or purpose throughout the entire story but how they marketed it. The back of the box claims that it's a sequel when the producer repeatedly said it wasn't a sequel despite all the Chrono Trigger references, rehashes of CT's subplots into less interesting and outright stupid formats, and terrible tacked-on elements to try and make it more like CT. 
Overall, it was just a bad attempt at a sequel and the worst game to ever be created. 


Serge simply has no motivation and cannot express any feelings despite being called to it. This becomes damning to the point of gross stupidity as characters repeatedly ask for his opinion despite the fact that he can't give any response besides "..." in such scenes. 


Kid being a "daughter-clone" is just a laughably stupid explanation. It doesn't even make sense and is inherently contradictory. She is either a clone or she isn't. Furthermore, it's pretty sad how forceful they are in making her a mary-sue and appear blameless in every horrific action that she takes. From wanting to kill you to thievery and hell, she's probably a prostitute considering the terrible and facepalm worthy backstory. They force her on you at every given instance and she's technically immortal with her self-reset powers. And really, after the poisoning and stabbing, it's obvious that none of the characters were really going to die and especially not the main heroine. Doing that would've been something interesting and engaging like FF7 and Chrono Cross is the opposite of everything fun. 


Some of the names were just stupid. Luccia is apparently a friend of Lucca's.... Here are two problems, Lucca was homeschooled by her father as no such university of learning ever existed in Chrono Trigger and no such thing exists in Chrono Cross because Viper's academy is for military training and not scientific learning. Even if it did, it couldn't have been the place they learned because El Nido Archipelago didn't even exist until after Chrono Trigger supposedly happened.


The letter Lucca gave Kid makes absolutely no sense. The first part is about how imperative it is that Lucca essentially writes her last will in testament in hopes that Kid understands the dangers. The latter half consists of a good luck and that she'll share important information with Kid later... despite the fact that this is suppose to be her last letter before her imminent death. 


The destruction of Guardia and deaths of the CT cast do not even make sense. Some warlord from some other timeline came to help the goofey idiot from the Antiquity era. Some warlord is more powerful than Lavos? Really? That doesn't even make sense. It isn't even elaborated upon further. Just something we're expected to believe. Furthermore, the darkness beyond time concept makes no sense. Why would people in the erased future want to come back when in CT they clearly expressed wanting to just die? Masato Kato obviously never had any real part of the story. I even doubt his claims of making the 600 AD era. I think he just robbed from Yuji Horii. It's no surprise that Chrono Cross came up with a concept that was ripped straight from Dragon Quest 6.