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So this is a hardware-problem, right?

Can you fix a hardware problem via software-update? I actually don't know. This is no trolling, but a serious question.

Otherwise, people might have to send their PS3s in for repair. That would be the worst case scenario.



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DirtyP2002 said:

So this is a hardware-problem, right?

Can you fiy a hardware problem via software-update? I actually don't know. This is no trolling, but a serious question.

Otherwise, people might have to send their PS3s in for repair. That would be the worst case scenario.

As a software developer I can tell you that there are tons of hardware problems that can be "worked around" by software.

In this case, if the problem really is the non-existent 29th of February, the work around will probably be to assume 29th of Feb = 1st of March in the years when this bug happens, 1st of March = 2nd of March etc.

This is not always possible though, it depends on how bad the hardware problem is. If the internal clock gets totally borked, the only way to get correct dates may be to fix the hardware or reset it by removing the battery and then updating the clock manually or something...

There's also the separate problem of what corruption this may cause on people who did turn on their PS3s today. That could be a whole other mess, and more complicated actually (if it affects the DRM, etc.).

 



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joeorc said:
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JaggedSac said:
joeorc said:
JaggedSac said:
Interesting, hopefully time fixes the problem for those that do not have a connection to the internet in their house.

time  I would bet would not do it..though strange thing's have happened..

I am now almost certain it is indeed a Bios check problem. due to the fact that the Mobo battery on the PS3 keep's the bios state no matter if the PS3 is on/off

thus even the developers debug unit's would indeed be effected by this.

I haven't been reading everything on this.  Is there anything that affects people not trying to connect to PSN?  There are some people who do not have connectivity to the internet in their house, and I am afraid Sony will have to set up a way to send CDs to those people.

you could still get the update by PC, but if worse come's to worst they would indeed have to send out a new UPDATE by CD if there is no connection to the internet at all

but yes many people can still surf the internet even with this bug , just no connection to the PSN.

My PS3 was bought in late 2008. 80GB, no backwards compatibility. Am I safe?

what's the series of your PS3?

because there is a list of unit's series that have not been effected acording to some people their unit's are working fine, though that may be they are still connected to PSN if they log out and try to log back in that may indeed effect them, that's why i asked the person in this thread who rebuilt their PS3 what happened after he put the PS3 back together since the Mother board battery was removed from the PS3 for a while that he stated that his PS3 is working just fine.

CECHL04 80 GB, non BC.

sofar:

CECHA01= Not working
CECHE01 - not working.
CECHG01 - not working
CECHH01 - Not working
CECHK01- not working.
CECHL01- working.
CECHP01 - Working

that's what a post early stated.

 

CECHG03 = not working, cant sign in to PSN anyway...BBCiPlayer is working...and browser...FIFA 10...will not work



Hyruken said:
joeorc said:
Hyruken said:
Mine is still not working either, and i just got Heavy Rain :(

They better hurry the fook up and sort this out as Bad Company 2 comes out on thurs and if i can't play that i will layeth the smackdown on my PS3 by swapping it for the 360 version!

How the hell can you fook up a system over a clock....haven't like consoles from nearly 20 years ago had clocks and not had the problem?

it's not as simple as your looking at as.

for instance :

these system's are geared toward by design as system like you have as a PC these system's are entertainment computer's. these are not like a Game console in the sense as the PS2 or the Game Cube even to some extent as the first xbox.

with the function's they have added also come's with more complex system design. the Bio's of these system's are like the PC bio's not like the Bio's you had in much older Game system's.

you did not have firmware update's to your PS2 like you would have that is on the PS3. more complexity come's greator chance of a fault, but since these thing's that happen are few and far between , and that some can be more critical than other's quite a number of people are not used to this, which is quite understandable if your mainly a console gamer and not say a gamer on the PC.

many PC gamer's have experienced problem's like this many time's it's just the first time game console's have hd this extent of problem's. they will get ironed out, and I know it is very frustrating but they are working to fix it. I say hang in there.

But how does that explain all the consoles that have never been connected to the internet to receive updates having the same problem?

It has to be something that was inside the machines when they were made for all of them to go the same way.

Which again makes you ask the question how could they get that wrong as it seems so basic? Like Mobile Phones for example, we have had them for decades now, they have updates etc. Have never heard of this happening to a phone. Could you imagine how pissed people would be if say their Iphone would not work due to a date memory problem?

This problem has already started to hit national media now.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/mar/01/games-sony

 

As far as I understood it this is what happened:

Its the system clock it has NOTHING to do with the PSN. The Anti piracy measures start to work because the system Clock is messed up ( You cant influence the system clock its useless to change the date or time. 

if you download stuff (full games,Dlc) or have certain games installed the system noticed the time when you did this but if the system clock shows a date prior the install the system thinks that you changed the clock somehow to hack the system and nothing will work. Also it messes up your trophies because the time you won them and the time the system says it is dont adds up so they just vanish but they are saved anyway on sonys server so they arent away.

This problem has  nothing to do with beeing Online in fact it is even helpful if you were connected during the incident. Because your system was synced with the PSN Clock so nothing happened. If you switch off your system after midnight everything should work fine. Also I think that the PS3s system clock works internaly with GMT time so all systems work with the same time and the system cant be messed up. The problem actually occurs to a total random time depending on the time zone you live in.

 

 

 

 

 

 



my ps3 is rarely connected to the internet, and it wasn't when I started it up today, and it hadn't been for a week, and the date is messed up,
oh well maybe sony can change the ad to it only does nothing



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NOW A PUNISHER CAB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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DirtyP2002 said:

So this is a hardware-problem, right?

Can you fiy a hardware problem via software-update? I actually don't know. This is no trolling, but a serious question.

Otherwise, people might have to send their PS3s in for repair. That would be the worst case scenario.

yes with what problem's they are stating , it seem's the fault lies in the Bios chip on the onboard mother board of the PS3 which mean's yes it can because the Bio's chip is flash updatable like you would any PC the Bios of the ps3 has it's own wait state that is remembered even when the system is shut off due to a battery . one of the people that had a PS3 that yload on him he had to open up the PS3 which of course void's the warranty. but he had to remove the battery that keep's the motherboard's Bios software state. when he put it back together he is able to go online and go into PSN and play game's, what we do not know since he has not switched off the PS3 of logged off if the Bug would infact effect his PS3 also, but it look's to me like it would because, even if you still have the bug your PS3 can still visit other web sites.

the internal clock setting's that are in the PS3's bios are vital to some software in order to run.

so yes it can be fixed by Firmware, but depending on your PS3's bios that may take time IF it's not the same Bios chip all across.

or infact that the Bios chip may have a 24 hour corrective measure for time states as shown in some other electronic's.



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Have any countries rolled over to the next day already? I cannot remember the timezones for China or AU.



JaggedSac said:
Have any countries rolled over to the next day already? I cannot remember the timezones for China or AU.

in 7 hours or so



 

 

 

I think what many do not know how vital that internal clock in the Bios is for the overall well being of your unit..
how something you would not think would be this Vital is. it's one of those thing's that make it because of system state's are very important on how your system stores data when powered on or off.

I remember one of the best well known exploit's to get around the shareware time limit was to change your clock! it's not so common anymore but that was just one little thing that could indeed change how software and your hardware interact. just by changing that one little thing in your PC.



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100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

JaggedSac said:
Have any countries rolled over to the next day already? I cannot remember the timezones for China or AU.

It's 2:45 in Sydney.

0:45 in Tokyo, and 23:45 in China

However there are people saying that PS3s failed according to GMT time, so the timezones may not matter.

 



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