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ManusJustus said:
TheRealMafoo said:
@tarheel91

I have a much simpler answer as why many of the educated are liberal.

Education is hard, and if your an elitist, the more education you achieve, and the easier life becomes, the more you think others can't obtain what you have, because not everyone can be as smart/good as you.

To be an educated wealthy liberal, first you must think your better then those who you want to give resources too.

I am a well educated man who thinks I am no better then the next guy, so if the next guy wants the advantages I have, he needs to go get them, just like I did.

Just my 2 cents.

Thats a funny way of thinking.  From your logic, conservatives think that they are better than people below them so thet don't deserve rights, whereas liberals think that people below them do deserve rights.  Still, I dont see how a liberal idea, such as letting women vote, is wrong because women should earn the right for themselves.

The actual answer for why educated people are more liberal is qutie simple.  The more educated you are the more likely you are exposed to be exposed to other cultures and ideas.  An educated man meets different types of people at his university, is introduced to many ideas in his studies, and has more money and reason to travel and encoutner differing ideas and cultures.  An uneducated person does have these opportunities, and thus is more likely to give more weight to the ideas of his original social community.

I think an uneducated grunt in the Army has probably had far more extensive exposure to the cultures of Afghanistan and Iraq than most college students; and there are soldiers deployed to all corners of the world, in non-combat, peace-keeping and humanitarian efforts.

As a university graduate I can honestly say that post secondary institutions give you an insanely filtered view of other cultures that doesn’t come close to expressing anything about a culture. The best analogy I can give you is of a British chef who learned how to cook Chinese food from a second generation Italian-American chef who has only cooked food-court Chinese food, and this chef claims that he is giving you authentic Chinese food even though he has never been to China. Even those that have visited the countries they’re teaching about have really not had that extensive of exposure to the culture; and it would (sort of) be like a person living in Las Vegas for 2 years claiming to understand the entirety of American culture.

As for being exposed to different ideas, colleges are primarily places where you’re expected to conform to conventional (so called "Liberal") ideas; and are really not the place where conventional ideas are challenged anymore. I dare you to take a Women’s study course and at the first opportunity argue that modern feminism is no longer about promoting equality; after all modern feminists consistently turn a blind eye to honour killings in western countries, refuse to speak out against spousal abuse in minority communities, and are unwilling to look at how women in third world countries dream of one day having the rights to be as oppressed as they are. I’m willing to bet that regardless of the quality of your work you will receive a 0%, and no matter what other work you produce for that class you will certainly be getting an F.

One of the core contributing factors to why subjective fields like the humanities are full of liberal academics is because unless you conform to the ideologies of the establishment you can not succeed.



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Funny how this study's results go against just about every pattern and precedent ever set by liberals: thinking with and acting on their emotions instead of logic...

"Going to war is mean, so we shouldn't do it."

"That person is poor and it would be nice to give him money, so the government should do it."

"Somebody wants to have an abortion, have a gay marriage, or wants to come into the U.S. illegally and it would be mean to say 'no,' so we should let them."

"I am a good person because I care about global warming."

"What's that? Those people want to kill us?! But... don't they know we're nice? If they did, they would like us!"

"Timmy has more toys money than Billy, so take half of Timmy's money and give it to Billy."

And of course, if you ever disagree with a liberal, it must be because you are a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, a Nazi, "religious", and/or ignorant. Not because you have a legitimate point of view.

Now, this is not to say that conservatives never make emotion-based arguments, or that emotion-based arguments are always wrong... but every time somebody has tried to solve a complex world issue by tip-toeing around everybody's feelings, either nothing has been accomplished or everything goes to hell in a hand basket.



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MontanaHatchet said:
mrstickball said:
FYI, the survey was done in England.

In the US, the opposite may be true when in regards to political ideology. More republicans have higher education than democrats :-p

Well I guess that education doesn't do them much good.

That's actually a hoax. 

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp

I mean, an average IQ's of 113 and 85?   Below 70 is mental retardation... standard deviation on an Iq test is 15.  If this was true it would mean 15% of Missisipi woud be considered mentally retarded... when it's usually around 2%.

 

The lowest a state averages is about 94...

 

In general, IQ is just lower where there is a lot of immigration, and then the south, because the south has been behind the rest of the country... pretty much forever.



HappySqurriel said:
ManusJustus said:
TheRealMafoo said:
@tarheel91

I have a much simpler answer as why many of the educated are liberal.

Education is hard, and if your an elitist, the more education you achieve, and the easier life becomes, the more you think others can't obtain what you have, because not everyone can be as smart/good as you.

To be an educated wealthy liberal, first you must think your better then those who you want to give resources too.

I am a well educated man who thinks I am no better then the next guy, so if the next guy wants the advantages I have, he needs to go get them, just like I did.

Just my 2 cents.

Thats a funny way of thinking.  From your logic, conservatives think that they are better than people below them so thet don't deserve rights, whereas liberals think that people below them do deserve rights.  Still, I dont see how a liberal idea, such as letting women vote, is wrong because women should earn the right for themselves.

The actual answer for why educated people are more liberal is qutie simple.  The more educated you are the more likely you are exposed to be exposed to other cultures and ideas.  An educated man meets different types of people at his university, is introduced to many ideas in his studies, and has more money and reason to travel and encoutner differing ideas and cultures.  An uneducated person does have these opportunities, and thus is more likely to give more weight to the ideas of his original social community.

I think an uneducated grunt in the Army has probably had far more extensive exposure to the cultures of Afghanistan and Iraq than most college students; and there are soldiers deployed to all corners of the world, in non-combat, peace-keeping and humanitarian efforts.

As a university graduate I can honestly say that post secondary institutions give you an insanely filtered view of other cultures that doesn’t come close to expressing anything about a culture. The best analogy I can give you is of a British chef who learned how to cook Chinese food from a second generation Italian-American chef who has only cooked food-court Chinese food, and this chef claims that he is giving you authentic Chinese food even though he has never been to China. Even those that have visited the countries they’re teaching about have really not had that extensive of exposure to the culture; and it would (sort of) be like a person living in Las Vegas for 2 years claiming to understand the entirety of American culture.

As for being exposed to different ideas, colleges are primarily places where you’re expected to conform to conventional (so called "Liberal") ideas; and are really not the place where conventional ideas are challenged anymore. I dare you to take a Women’s study course and at the first opportunity argue that modern feminism is no longer about promoting equality; after all modern feminists consistently turn a blind eye to honour killings in western countries, refuse to speak out against spousal abuse in minority communities, and are unwilling to look at how women in third world countries dream of one day having the rights to be as oppressed as they are. I’m willing to bet that regardless of the quality of your work you will receive a 0%, and no matter what other work you produce for that class you will certainly be getting an F.

One of the core contributing factors to why subjective fields like the humanities are full of liberal academics is because unless you conform to the ideologies of the establishment you can not succeed.

The military is all about conforming so how could being in the army working in Afganistan or Iraq cause a person to appreciate other cultures? It seems to me that they would not be a part of the culture only there working on goals for their own government and hardly caring about the opinions of the locals.

I agree with your point on womens studies class to some extent, but when I took a race and gender class with my crazyass lesbian, feminist professor I argued with her all the time about social equality and how their ideals are pipe dreams. It only livened the discussion and certainly did not give me an F. I certainly was hated by most of the female students. In fact, my professor apreciated my participation and did not force us to write about her feminist fanaticism. Mabey, this was due to the small class sive and the fact that all we did was sit in a circkle and talk about social issues, but I was never forced to go along with this great ladies fanatical ideas. They were only exposed to me.

 



bimmylee said:

Funny how this study's results go against just about every pattern and precedent ever set by liberals: thinking with and acting on their emotions instead of logic...

"Going to war is mean, so we shouldn't do it."

"That person is poor and it would be nice to give him money, so the government should do it."

"Somebody wants to have an abortion, have a gay marriage, or wants to come into the U.S. illegally and it would be mean to say 'no,' so we should let them."

"I am a good person because I care about global warming."

"What's that? Those people want to kill us?! But... don't they know we're nice? If they did, they would like us!"

"Timmy has more toys money than Billy, so take half of Timmy's money and give it to Billy."

And of course, if you ever disagree with a liberal, it must be because you are a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, a Nazi, "religious", and/or ignorant. Not because you have a legitimate point of view.

Now, this is not to say that conservatives never make emotion-based arguments, or that emotion-based arguments are always wrong... but every time somebody has tried to solve a complex world issue by tip-toeing around everybody's feelings, either nothing has been accomplished or everything goes to hell in a hand basket.

That is the stupidist generalizations on liberals I have ever seen.I could make some retard generalizations up about conservatives if I wanted to, but t is so easy to get banned on this site, but I will anyways!!!

 

"I am powerful so lets go to war where ever we want"

"That person is poor they must be criminals, lazy and be all out worthless, not even a chance society and genetics gave them the shaft"

"Abortion is wrong I mean danm arn't there like 6 billion people in the world and were destroying the enviornment"

"Gay people are sinners who choose the gay lifestyle, hey Ted Haggard is totally straight now"

"I'm white and I don't like immigrants that are not white"

" I like money who cares if will destroy the oceans reefs because of bleaching"

"I was born rich so I must be a gifted badass"

"Danm pot smoking hippy liberals, swigs his beer and turns on the country music"

Anyways this is all in good fun monkey see monkey do. LOL

 

 

 



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bimmylee said:

Funny how this study's results go against just about every pattern and precedent ever set by liberals: thinking with and acting on their emotions instead of logic...

"Going to war is mean, so we shouldn't do it."

"That person is poor and it would be nice to give him money, so the government should do it."

"Somebody wants to have an abortion, have a gay marriage, or wants to come into the U.S. illegally and it would be mean to say 'no,' so we should let them."

"I am a good person because I care about global warming."

"What's that? Those people want to kill us?! But... don't they know we're nice? If they did, they would like us!"

"Timmy has more toys money than Billy, so take half of Timmy's money and give it to Billy."

And of course, if you ever disagree with a liberal, it must be because you are a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, a Nazi, "religious", and/or ignorant. Not because you have a legitimate point of view.

Now, this is not to say that conservatives never make emotion-based arguments, or that emotion-based arguments are always wrong... but every time somebody has tried to solve a complex world issue by tip-toeing around everybody's feelings, either nothing has been accomplished or everything goes to hell in a hand basket.

Hey hey, good job. Never before have I seen so very many straw man arguments in a single post.



chocoloco said:
bimmylee said:

Funny how this study's results go against just about every pattern and precedent ever set by liberals: thinking with and acting on their emotions instead of logic...

"Going to war is mean, so we shouldn't do it."

"That person is poor and it would be nice to give him money, so the government should do it."

"Somebody wants to have an abortion, have a gay marriage, or wants to come into the U.S. illegally and it would be mean to say 'no,' so we should let them."

"I am a good person because I care about global warming."

"What's that? Those people want to kill us?! But... don't they know we're nice? If they did, they would like us!"

"Timmy has more toys money than Billy, so take half of Timmy's money and give it to Billy."

And of course, if you ever disagree with a liberal, it must be because you are a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, a Nazi, "religious", and/or ignorant. Not because you have a legitimate point of view.

Now, this is not to say that conservatives never make emotion-based arguments, or that emotion-based arguments are always wrong... but every time somebody has tried to solve a complex world issue by tip-toeing around everybody's feelings, either nothing has been accomplished or everything goes to hell in a hand basket.

That is the stupidist generalizations on liberals I have ever seen.I could make some retard generalizations up about conservatives if I wanted to, but t is so easy to get banned on this site, but I will anyways!!!

 

"I am powerful so lets go to war where ever we want"

"That person is poor they must be criminals, lazy and be all out worthless, not even a chance society and genetics gave them the shaft"

"Abortion is wrong I mean danm arn't there like 6 billion people in the world and were destroying the enviornment"

"Gay people are sinners who choose the gay lifestyle, hey Ted Haggard is totally straight now"

"I'm white and I don't like immigrants that are not white"

" I like money who cares if will destroy the oceans reefs because of bleaching"

"I was born rich so I must be a gifted badass"

"Danm pot smoking hippy liberals, swigs his beer and turns on the country music"

Anyways this is all in good fun monkey see monkey do. LOL

 

 

 

Good fun indeed!

As the saying goes... "half in jest, fully in earnest." My point stands. Liberals are always focusing on what will make people "feel good" instead of what will actually solve the problem. Don't go hurting anybody's feelings, now!  :)



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Rath said:
bimmylee said:

Funny how this study's results go against just about every pattern and precedent ever set by liberals: thinking with and acting on their emotions instead of logic...

"Going to war is mean, so we shouldn't do it."

"That person is poor and it would be nice to give him money, so the government should do it."

"Somebody wants to have an abortion, have a gay marriage, or wants to come into the U.S. illegally and it would be mean to say 'no,' so we should let them."

"I am a good person because I care about global warming."

"What's that? Those people want to kill us?! But... don't they know we're nice? If they did, they would like us!"

"Timmy has more toys money than Billy, so take half of Timmy's money and give it to Billy."

And of course, if you ever disagree with a liberal, it must be because you are a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, a Nazi, "religious", and/or ignorant. Not because you have a legitimate point of view.

Now, this is not to say that conservatives never make emotion-based arguments, or that emotion-based arguments are always wrong... but every time somebody has tried to solve a complex world issue by tip-toeing around everybody's feelings, either nothing has been accomplished or everything goes to hell in a hand basket.

Hey hey, good job. Never before have I seen so very many straw man arguments in a single post.

Oh come now. It's satire. I know you can appreciate that.



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Kasz216 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
mrstickball said:
FYI, the survey was done in England.

In the US, the opposite may be true when in regards to political ideology. More republicans have higher education than democrats :-p

Well I guess that education doesn't do them much good.

That's actually a hoax. 

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp

I mean, an average IQ's of 113 and 85?   Below 70 is mental retardation... standard deviation on an Iq test is 15.  If this was true it would mean 15% of Missisipi woud be considered mentally retarded... when it's usually around 2%.

 

The lowest a state averages is about 94...

 

In general, IQ is just lower where there is a lot of immigration, and then the south, because the south has been behind the rest of the country... pretty much forever.

Thanx for finding this I searched myself and found nothing. Still this site does not look like a very reliable source.



chocoloco said:
Kasz216 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
mrstickball said:
FYI, the survey was done in England.

In the US, the opposite may be true when in regards to political ideology. More republicans have higher education than democrats :-p

Well I guess that education doesn't do them much good.

That's actually a hoax. 

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp

I mean, an average IQ's of 113 and 85?   Below 70 is mental retardation... standard deviation on an Iq test is 15.  If this was true it would mean 15% of Missisipi woud be considered mentally retarded... when it's usually around 2%.

 

The lowest a state averages is about 94...

 

In general, IQ is just lower where there is a lot of immigration, and then the south, because the south has been behind the rest of the country... pretty much forever.

Thanx for finding this I searched myself and found nothing. Still this site does not look like a very reliable source.

It's a site that's quoting an actual study.  Just the first place with the map i'd seen that could be posted for easy presentation.