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psrock said:
Kasz216 said:
psrock said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Kasz216 said:

Obvious reasons are actually fairly obvious.

The better areas you grow up in... the more likely you are to be liberal. While the poorer areas are more likely to be conservative.

Which is always funny because it's generally a bunch of middle class people saying "We know what's better for you" and a bunch of poorer people saying "We want to take care of our damn selves."

It's the same reason why conservatives are more likely to donate to charity... the poorer you are, the more you focus on what YOU can do and what effects YOU have on your enviroment, rather then what everyone else can do for you, since from an younger age you had to look out for yourself.

How you grow up also is going to effect athleticism... based on younger nutrition etc... and sexual desire is often tied to how healthy you are.


I used to be about the most liberal person you'd know... until I actually met some poor people and found out what they generally want out of a system adn realized that what people want more then anything is just incentive to work hard.  To just feel like if they work hard they can make it.


They generally don't want overarching liberal plans.  They just want to clear out laws to make sure everyone gets a fair shake... even if it means starting at the bottom.

Got any proof for this? Because just about everything I've seen or heard indicates the opposite. But I'd love to learn something new.

I agree with Monti here, Poor people want Government to help, while those who have it better wants gov to stay away.

Have you ever seen the rich/poor state splits when it comes to whether they voted for Bush or Gore?

rich and poor state is very different vs actual poor and rich people.

I live in New York, there are as many poor people here than those little states you speak of

No there isn't.  Because rich and poor states are decided by median income.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_median_income



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So if I start sucking dick, say I hate God and go liberal my IQ will go up?



psrock said:

I agree with Monti here, Poor people want Government to help, while those who have it better wants gov to stay away.

That's not necessarily true ...

There are elements of liberalism and conservatism that both the poor and the rich may be attracted to. Consider stances on crime as an example, while some wealthier people support tough crime laws because they have more to lose a lot of poor people support them because they’re more directly impacted by crime on a daily basis; while at the same time some wealthier people believe rehabilitation will lower crime long term and some poor people believe that they shouldn’t be unfairly punished for their mistakes.

I can’t think of a single issue where there is a significant disagreement between liberals and conservatives which is so simple that there is a cut-n-dry separation between the rich and poor.



It's a dumb study. PZ meyers (vocal atheist) critisized people for bragging about this study because it's such a flawed study to begin with. A statistically negligible difference on a test that is largely deemed irrelevant today and grossly flawed in and of itself.

And chairman mao, atheists don't hate god, they don't believe that gods exist, and your reasoning is backwards. The implication (though flawed as I stated above) is that if your IQ were higher, you'd be more likely to have that world view.



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Kasz216 said:
psrock said:
Kasz216 said:
psrock said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Kasz216 said:

Obvious reasons are actually fairly obvious.

The better areas you grow up in... the more likely you are to be liberal. While the poorer areas are more likely to be conservative.

Which is always funny because it's generally a bunch of middle class people saying "We know what's better for you" and a bunch of poorer people saying "We want to take care of our damn selves."

It's the same reason why conservatives are more likely to donate to charity... the poorer you are, the more you focus on what YOU can do and what effects YOU have on your enviroment, rather then what everyone else can do for you, since from an younger age you had to look out for yourself.

How you grow up also is going to effect athleticism... based on younger nutrition etc... and sexual desire is often tied to how healthy you are.


I used to be about the most liberal person you'd know... until I actually met some poor people and found out what they generally want out of a system adn realized that what people want more then anything is just incentive to work hard.  To just feel like if they work hard they can make it.


They generally don't want overarching liberal plans.  They just want to clear out laws to make sure everyone gets a fair shake... even if it means starting at the bottom.

Got any proof for this? Because just about everything I've seen or heard indicates the opposite. But I'd love to learn something new.

I agree with Monti here, Poor people want Government to help, while those who have it better wants gov to stay away.

Have you ever seen the rich/poor state splits when it comes to whether they voted for Bush or Gore?

rich and poor state is very different vs actual poor and rich people.

I live in New York, there are as many poor people here than those little states you speak of

No there isn't.  Because rich and poor states are decided by median income.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_median_income

In the real world I live in, someone making $30, 000 in New York is not living the same way as someone making the same in Georgia or Florida.



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I always thought those that worked the hardest for there money, were the ones least likely to allow someone else to chose what to do with it.

Money is effort, but the more educated you are, the less effort it takes to earn it. If you sit in an office all day and think "All I did was think a little, we can take a little more from people who do this and give it to the poor, because how hard is it really?".

While a unskilled (or less skilled) farmer would think "I am living off my own effort, doing something anyone in the world could do. Why take my money and give it to someone who chose not to work as hard as I did today?"

Oversimplification, but I think that line of reason has some marrit.



HappySqurriel said:
psrock said:

I agree with Monti here, Poor people want Government to help, while those who have it better wants gov to stay away.

That's not necessarily true ...

There are elements of liberalism and conservatism that both the poor and the rich may be attracted to. Consider stances on crime as an example, while some wealthier people support tough crime laws because they have more to lose a lot of poor people support them because they’re more directly impacted by crime on a daily basis; while at the same time some wealthier people believe rehabilitation will lower crime long term and some poor people believe that they shouldn’t be unfairly punished for their mistakes.

I can’t think of a single issue where there is a significant disagreement between liberals and conservatives which is so simple that there is a cut-n-dry separation between the rich and poor.

Exactly. The only differences are motive and implementation.

 

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HappySqurriel said:
psrock said:

I agree with Monti here, Poor people want Government to help, while those who have it better wants gov to stay away.

That's not necessarily true ...

There are elements of liberalism and conservatism that both the poor and the rich may be attracted to. Consider stances on crime as an example, while some wealthier people support tough crime laws because they have more to lose a lot of poor people support them because they’re more directly impacted by crime on a daily basis; while at the same time some wealthier people believe rehabilitation will lower crime long term and some poor people believe that they shouldn’t be unfairly punished for their mistakes.

I can’t think of a single issue where there is a significant disagreement between liberals and conservatives which is so simple that there is a cut-n-dry separation between the rich and poor.

Again, maybe I should be more clear. Poor people always want more Government involvement into their lives, While Rich People do not.



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TheRealMafoo said:
I always thought those that worked the hardest for there money, were the ones least likely to allow someone else to chose what to do with it.

Money is effort, but the more educated you are, the less effort it takes to earn it. If you sit in an office all day and think "All I did was think a little, we can take a little more from people who do this and give it to the poor, because how hard is it really?".

While a unskilled (or less skilled) farmer would think "I am living off my own effort, doing something anyone in the world could do. Why take my money and give it to someone who chose not to work as hard as I did today?"

Oversimplification, but I think that line of reason has some marrit.

I am sure PARIS hilton agrees with you.



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11/20/09 04:25 makingmusic476 Warning Other (Your avatar is borderline NSFW. Please keep it for as long as possible.)

eh, i know smart people across the board in all of those metrics, though this study does apply to me a bit. Quite intelligent (though i don't think i was ever actually told the score, and i don't think i've been retested since age 6), socially liberal with some authoritarian and utilitarian leanings (i'm pretty much a low-grade Communist), my religion at this point would probably qualify as either Deist or Kantian, which are at least closer to Agnostic than to regular faith, and quite sexually reserved (not a prude by any stretch of the imagination, but i haven't been on so much as a date by age 20)

 

Though my utilitarianism explains that more than any sense of intellect, unless intellect is linked to utilitarianism.



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