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LordTheNightKnight said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
Final Fantasy already had a fanbase and several games in the US before the FF7 explosion. Mistwalker and Lost Odyssey, not so much. It's going to take more than just "lol marketing" to make the splash people want this game to make.

Calling a $100 million dollar marketing blitz (more than most movies today get) "lol marketing" just shows your ignorance, not to mention the fact that many of FFVII's fans had never played RPGs before, so your previous fanbase comments are just outright false in the success of FFVII. 

I'm sorry but I don't see a $100 marketing blitz for Lost Odyessey, that's why it's "lol marketing," which shows just how ignorant YOU are. For Lost Odyssey to be the phenomenom the people in this thread desperately want it's going to need Halo 3-level marketing. I don't know about you but I've yet to see Lost Odyssey Mountain Dew.

And pretending like 3 FF's weren't released prior to FFVII is not only false, it's moronic. Square even renamed the first Mana and first 3 SaGa games to Final Fantasy on the GB just to capitalized on the FF brand name. They made Final Fantasy Mystic Quest specifically for the US to bring even more people into the franchise, and released it in Japan under the title "Final Fantasy USA." So FF7 fanboys can pretend like there was no pre-established Final Fantasy brand name, that it didn't exist, that there was no fanbase or whatever idiotic notions are going on in this thread just to worship FF7, but history, and all of Square's actions up to that point, completely contradict that silly bullshit.

Final Fantasy had a fanbase. It was a pre-established franchise. Deal with it.

 



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I want Lost odyssey dew RIGHT NOW DANMIT



                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

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Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp              

Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
ClaudeLv250 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
Final Fantasy already had a fanbase and several games in the US before the FF7 explosion. Mistwalker and Lost Odyssey, not so much. It's going to take more than just "lol marketing" to make the splash people want this game to make.

Calling a $100 million dollar marketing blitz (more than most movies today get) "lol marketing" just shows your ignorance, not to mention the fact that many of FFVII's fans had never played RPGs before, so your previous fanbase comments are just outright false in the success of FFVII.

I'm sorry but I don't see a $100 marketing blitz for Lost Odyessey, that's why it's "lol marketing," which shows just how ignorant YOU are. For Lost Odyssey to be the phenomenom the people in this thread desperately want it's going to need Halo 3-level marketing. I don't know about you but I've yet to see Lost Odyssey Mountain Dew.

And pretending like 3 FF's weren't released prior to FFVII is not only false, it's moronic. Square even renamed the first Mana and first 3 SaGa games to Final Fantasy on the GB just to capitalized on the FF brand name. They made Final Fantasy Mystic Quest specifically for the US to bring even more people into the franchise, and released it in Japan under the title "Final Fantasy USA." So FF7 fanboys can pretend like there was no pre-established Final Fantasy brand name, that it didn't exist, that there was no fanbase or whatever idiotic notions are going on in this thread just to worship FF7, but history, and all of Square's actions up to that point, completely contradict that silly bullshit.

Final Fantasy had a fanbase. It was a pre-established franchise. Deal with it.

 


 Final Fantasy did have a fanbase before FF7, but it was very niche.  I was actually in that fanbase myself.  Sony provided alot of the marketing Final Fantasy needed to become mainstream in the West when back then, Nintendo wasn't very nice to third parties.  Let's see if Microsoft is willing to do that kind of marketing for LO.



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meh i gave up on this thread, so i'm gona say, that PS2 is RPG king due to Persona 3, DA RPG OF DA YEAR



hahahahhaa, that made me laugh ^^.. but yeah... i would agree with that statement.. but only for the first game.. i hate the 2nd one



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I actually thought the second was better.



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ClaudeLv250 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
Final Fantasy already had a fanbase and several games in the US before the FF7 explosion. Mistwalker and Lost Odyssey, not so much. It's going to take more than just "lol marketing" to make the splash people want this game to make.

Calling a $100 million dollar marketing blitz (more than most movies today get) "lol marketing" just shows your ignorance, not to mention the fact that many of FFVII's fans had never played RPGs before, so your previous fanbase comments are just outright false in the success of FFVII.

I'm sorry but I don't see a $100 marketing blitz for Lost Odyessey, that's why it's "lol marketing," which shows just how ignorant YOU are. For Lost Odyssey to be the phenomenom the people in this thread desperately want it's going to need Halo 3-level marketing. I don't know about you but I've yet to see Lost Odyssey Mountain Dew.

I was just posting a hypothetical.

And pretending like 3 FF's weren't released prior to FFVII is not only false, it's moronic.

I did not deny the FF games. I just pointed out that VII's fans were mostsly new to all RPGs, even the previous FF games. And sales prove it. Just look at the American section of sales of FF games

Square even renamed the first Mana and first 3 SaGa games to Final Fantasy on the GB just to capitalized on the FF brand name. They made Final Fantasy Mystic Quest specifically for the US to bring even more people into the franchise, and released it in Japan under the title "Final Fantasy USA." So FF7 fanboys can pretend like there was no pre-established Final Fantasy brand name, that it didn't exist, that there was no fanbase or whatever idiotic notions are going on in this thread just to worship FF7, but history, and all of Square's actions up to that point, completely contradict that silly bullshit.

Final Fantasy had a fanbase. It was a pre-established franchise. Deal with it.

I didn't write that it had no fanbase. I wrote, "false in the success of FFVII". That doesn't mean the fanbase isn't there. It just means the success was not due to the fanbase.


 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

ClaudeLv250 said:
I actually thought the second was better.

2nd game was awsome

heck both were

One of the best ending in gaming history, the music was PERFECT for the ending. I get emotional at endings, but this one really REALLY made me sad, i wanted to keep playing.

JUST MAKE THE THIRD ONE NOW DANMIT

I WANT TO PLAY KH 3 WHILE DRINKING LOST ODYSSEY DEW IS THAT SO DANM HARD TO ASK FOR?



                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

Proud supporter of all 3 console companys

Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp              

Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
LordTheNightKnight said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
 

 

I'm sorry but I don't see a $100 marketing blitz for Lost Odyessey, that's why it's "lol marketing," which shows just how ignorant YOU are. For Lost Odyssey to be the phenomenom the people in this thread desperately want it's going to need Halo 3-level marketing. I don't know about you but I've yet to see Lost Odyssey Mountain Dew.

I was just posting a hypothetical.

And pretending like 3 FF's weren't released prior to FFVII is not only false, it's moronic.

I did not deny the FF games. I just pointed out that VII's fans were mostsly new to all RPGs, even the previous FF games. And sales prove it. Just look at the American section of sales of FF games

Square even renamed the first Mana and first 3 SaGa games to Final Fantasy on the GB just to capitalized on the FF brand name. They made Final Fantasy Mystic Quest specifically for the US to bring even more people into the franchise, and released it in Japan under the title "Final Fantasy USA." So FF7 fanboys can pretend like there was no pre-established Final Fantasy brand name, that it didn't exist, that there was no fanbase or whatever idiotic notions are going on in this thread just to worship FF7, but history, and all of Square's actions up to that point, completely contradict that silly bullshit.

Final Fantasy had a fanbase. It was a pre-established franchise. Deal with it.

I didn't write that it had no fanbase. I wrote, "false in the success of FFVII". That doesn't mean the fanbase isn't there. It just means the success was not due to the fanbase.


 

I never said the success was due to the fanbase so that argument is moot. I also wasn't using sales either but that actually helps my point: FF6 has impressive sales, better than I realized. A bunch of new kids getting into FF7 doesn't negate the previous games, like I said, it was an established franchise with a healthy fanbase before: 900k for FF6 is not niche.

My entire point was that Lost Odyssey would have a steeper hill to climb than Final Fantasy did. It has no predecessors, whereas FF had several games, one which almost hit 1m in the US alone, which shows that the series was on an upward trend before FF7, not downward. Lost Odyssey doesn't have that momentum or that name brand recognition. Mistwalker's previous games haven't had the impact their pre-hype would suggest. Blue Dragon made a tiny splash in Japan but was pretty much ignored everywhere else. Japan doesn't seem to care much for ASH on the DS, there's no telling what it'll do in NA and Europe if it ever gets brought over. Final Fantasy was already on its way up, it was a known and respected franchise. Lost Odyssey pretty much has to climb from the bottom of the mountain.

 



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First I want some posters to do themselves a serious favor. Many sites on the internet provide readily available data for each console pertaining to genre. Make use of these sites such as IGN. There you choose a platform, choose a genre, and it provides you a list. The list contains released, and planned titles. This will give you a comparative understanding. You know so your not talking out of a place where the sun does not shine.

There is just no excuse for the blatant, and shameful ignorance on display by many that posted in this thread. You should be better informed then you are. The last time I looked the 360 had the largest number of titles released, and in development. The PS3 had about half that, and the Wii had about half of that. You might choose to parcel out the RPG genre as you wish, but the overall trend remains.

You want a large RPG library its looking like the 360 is it for the next year. Personally its not my favorite genre ask the guys I play on live with. Yes oh my god I have never played a Final Fantasy game. Including Blue Dragon which I recently completed I have played four turn based combat games. Two of which were cue based and free motion being both games in the KotoR series. Before that the last one I played was Seven Stars on the SNES.

So I really have no bias in regards to the genre. Though I am getting more keenly aware of it. I had a lot of fun with Blue Dragon so Lost Odyssey is looking better to me. I will be playing Mass Effect having loved the original KotoR. So I am actually looking towards A RPG heavy environment in my future. Anyway view me as a neutral fixture. On the whole I am more impressed with the lineup on the 360. Seems large enough, diverse enough, and seems to have some decent quality.

P.S.

For those who have a 360 and haven't played Blue Dragon it is at the very least worth a rent. I spent around fifty hours on the title so I consider that money well spent. The story isn't all that fantastic, but it has its moments, and the combat is very complicated, but then again it also seems very forgiving. Like I mentioned not really my genre, but I had a wonderful time with the title. I think many here could as well if they give it a chance.