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I hope this works, people should stop beeing cheap and start buying new games. That's if they want them...

Seriously, why do you buy used game, why not just rent it? Used game doesn't support the developer, so there is no reason whatsoever between that and pirating...



MY HYPE LIST: 1) Gran Turismo 5; 2) Civilization V; 3) Starcraft II; 4) The Last Guardian; 5) Metal Gear Solid: Rising

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aragod said:
I hope this works, people should stop beeing cheap and start buying new games. That's if they want them...

Seriously, why do you buy used game, why not just rent it? Used game doesn't support the developer, so there is no reason whatsoever between that and pirating...

Renting doesn't support the dev either. There's no deal yet in place between renters and devs about how the rental copies should be paid for and all that (not like how dvd's are being done with special rental copies which cost a whole lot more to the one who wants to rent them out)



papflesje said:
@ scrooge: the amount of money made on a car by the maker is quite different as to what a developer gets for a game.

cd's => those still get money from concerts and from airplay


Who is this going to anger that Sony (or any other company) cares about? Those who buy second hand are not bringing in money as it is, so who cares if they're complaining. If only one of those now buys a code to play online, they've actually "gained".

About the car thing: Yeah, but the same person could otherwise buy a new car and thus bring in more money for the car industry. The used car market is currently booming while the market for new cars is in deep trouble because of the financial crisis and stagnant growth. This is way more severe than in the videogaming business. So again: Should you be "forced" to buy cars new?

A lot of active gamers also buy used games, I'm one of them. That doesn't mean I don't bring in money for the industry, I buy most games new but some of them just aren't worth it. Your post sounds like there are two groups of people, one buying only factory sealed games and the other group buying used games only. But a lot of people buy both.

Another example: Imagine you buy a used game because you think it isn't worth the full price and then you become a fan of the franchise. Isn't that an extra sale in the future?

What about borrowing? Did you never lend a game to a friend or vice versa? Will that be punished, too? Or what about the people who occasionally grab a game from the bargain bin? Customers are not slaves...

The real problem is that development costs are skyrocketing while software sales are stagnant. Thus the industry is raising prices more and more and then they wonder why a lot of people buy games used or from bargain bins. And now they are trying to milk us even more by stopping us from buying used games.

The growth of the second hand gaming market is not the problem but merely a symptom of the actual disease.



papflesje said:
aragod said:
I hope this works, people should stop beeing cheap and start buying new games. That's if they want them...

Seriously, why do you buy used game, why not just rent it? Used game doesn't support the developer, so there is no reason whatsoever between that and pirating...

Renting doesn't support the dev either. There's no deal yet in place between renters and devs about how the rental copies should be paid for and all that (not like how dvd's are being done with special rental copies which cost a whole lot more to the one who wants to rent them out)

Well that's news to me, thanks for clarifying. There are no rentals in my country, so I thought the system was similar to renting dvds.



MY HYPE LIST: 1) Gran Turismo 5; 2) Civilization V; 3) Starcraft II; 4) The Last Guardian; 5) Metal Gear Solid: Rising

Wow then I guess I'll have to actually buy this new. I got most of my PSP games used with the exception of Persona.



It's just that simple.

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aragod said:
I hope this works, people should stop beeing cheap and start buying new games. That's if they want them...

Seriously, why do you buy used game, why not just rent it? Used game doesn't support the developer, so there is no reason whatsoever between that and pirating...

Again we are not slaves of any developers. Why do we have to support developers? They have to support us by giving us the games we want. If a game isn't worth the full price tag to someone I absolutely encourage him to either buy the game used, rent it or not buy it at all.

A free market revolves around the idea that consumers decide what to buy and the producers of the goods have to make sure customers buy them. If the manufacturers just produce their goods and people have to buy it because they have no choice you call that planned economy. And with a lot of industry people blaming customers that for games bombing (and blaming them for used game sales, too) I wonder if they really want this to stay a free market. 

 

Honestly, if anywhere in the world a business collapsed because it produced goods people don't want or because it has a terrible business model would you care? (Again look at the car industry: When they started to ask the governments for money people went like "What? It's your own fault you didn't see that coming. Car sales have been stagnating for years and governments encouraged you to innovate for decades!" but when it comes to videogames it suddenly is our "duty" to support developers? Everyone has to take care of their money by themselves and everyone wants to save as much money as possible. It's natural. It's the way a free market works if we want it or not.)

 



axumblade said:
UncleScrooge said:
axumblade said:

It's about time Sony fight's back against Piracy and Used Games.

Are you serious? It's about time Sony fights back used game sales?

 

I can understand companies fighting piracy. It's their right and they can do it, I don't mind. But buying games used is our right as customers and we damn well deserve it. The only reason why used games sell in such tremendous amounts is because the values of the games most companies pop out is decreasing rapidly: They're hyped prior to release and sell great during the first two weeks and then drop off the charts. And then people realize the games aren't worth the 60$ or 70$ price tag so they buy the games used. Look at games like Wii Sports Resort or Mario Kart - they are still being sold for full price months and years after their release.

So a company isn't able to develop games people actually want to keep but instead is just developing software people sell after their first playthrough... and gamers have to be punished for it? That doesn't make sense to me.

Used games sales don't give anything at all back to the company's that make the game. If Gamestop maybe offered some of the money from used games sales back to Sony then they wouldn't have a right to be mad about it. If it's a game that's really popular like Modern Warfare or Assassin's Creed, it's not as big of an issue because the production cost is generally covered relatively quick for the game. But when it comes to the PSP (which struggles with software as it is), I can understand why they would take the extra step to prevent the sale of used games (or at least ensuring they get a cut from the game).

Reality says hello.

Do used cars sales give any cash to producer ? Does publisher of book get any money from it when you sell your collection on ebay ?

What makes games any better than those goods and entitle them to charge for second hand sales?



PROUD MEMBER OF THE PSP RPG FAN CLUB

Used games do help a developer if they are smart enough to offer Downloadable Content that is meaningful. It might be only a few dollars but that few dollars they would never see if it had no DLC and that person bought it used.



It's just that simple.

UncleScrooge said:
aragod said:
I hope this works, people should stop beeing cheap and start buying new games. That's if they want them...

Seriously, why do you buy used game, why not just rent it? Used game doesn't support the developer, so there is no reason whatsoever between that and pirating...

Again we are not slaves of any developers. Why do we have to support developers? They have to support us by giving us the games we want. If a game isn't worth the full price tag to someone I absolutely encourage him to either buy the game used, rent it or not buy it at all.

A free market revolves around the idea that consumers decide what to buy and the producers of the goods have to make sure customers buy them. If the manufacturers just produce their goods and people have to buy it because they have no choice you call that planned economy. And with a lot of industry people blaming customers that for games bombing (and blaming them for used game sales, too) I wonder if they really want this to stay a free market. 

 

Honestly, if anywhere in the world a business collapsed because it produced goods people don't want or because it has a terrible business model would you care? (Again look at the car industry: When they started to ask the governments for money people went like "What? It's your own fault you didn't see that coming. Car sales have been stagnating for years and governments encouraged you to innovate for decades!" but when it comes to videogames it suddenly is our "duty" to support developers? Everyone has to take care of their money by themselves and everyone wants to save as much money as possible. It's natural. It's the way a free market works if we want it or not.)

 

Because if you wont support them, they will stop making games, it's that simple. If the game isn't worth full price, DON'T BUY IT, noone is forcing you. I really don't need a lecture about market theory, thank you, I've got masters in it.

The comparasin between cars and video games isn't very good, it's like saying that the property market is stagnating because people don't want to live in houses. First of all there is a huge difference between price points. Second, you need one car, but "many" video games. Third, you can't do without a car today, while you can do without videogames. Fourth, many video game developers are "freelancers" while all car manufacturers are gigantic corporations. Fifth, video game developers may put out one title in two to five years periods, that's their only prodcut, if you won't buy it, they might close (look at Activision closing up studios recently, just because their music games didn't sell last year), on the other hand, car industry is a large factor in state economy, so you won't see them closing as easily, because there are jobs, contracts and large tax income for the country.



MY HYPE LIST: 1) Gran Turismo 5; 2) Civilization V; 3) Starcraft II; 4) The Last Guardian; 5) Metal Gear Solid: Rising

Nice Idea by Sony.