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dahuman on 21 February 2010
joeorc said:
Icyedge said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Is the BD disk ceaper to produce than DVD?
I can't believe that. How long have dvd's been around? it's cheap mass produced and not new. I don't see many BD given away with £3.99 magazines.
I think it's cheaper to produce 3 dvd's than 1 bd disk and if you can show me substantial evidence that proves you right I'll continue to believe that.

Maybe he meant real physical cost, if not it doesnt make sense. There still R & D that needed to be cover on the price, in the future than yes, but now I would be very surprise that the overall cost is less expensive than 2 DVD. I would also like some proof.

it is because you do know one of the most thing's that make both HD DVD and Blu-Ray was the cost/GB per layer  was cheaper due to how you have to manuf. standard DVD's when you have to go to DL-DVD9's , both HD DVD and Blu-Ray are vastly cheaper cost per/GB per layer because it's like a production like you would  a single sided single layer CD or DVD

Think about this for a sec.

CD single sided single layer = 600 an 700 MB capacity's

DVD dsingle sided single layer = any where from 1.8 GB to 4.7 GB

SINGLE SIDED SINGLE LAYER 

HD DVD 15 GB

Blu-Ray 25 GB

there is no contest BOTH HD DVD and Blu-Ray production cost per/GB in single layer single sided is chaper than even a

single DL-DVD 9

 

You are counting this by PC terms, which some users here probably won't really be in sync with. If you are just counting by $ per space, BR will be cheaper no matter what. I think they are more curious about production costs per game since not all games will use the full capacity of even a single layer BR.



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Icyedge on 21 February 2010
joeorc said:
Icyedge said:
joeorc said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Is the BD disk ceaper to produce than DVD?
I can't believe that. How long have dvd's been around? it's cheap mass produced and not new. I don't see many BD given away with £3.99 magazines.
I think it's cheaper to produce 3 dvd's than 1 bd disk and if you can show me substantial evidence that proves you right I'll continue to believe that.

yes it is, bank on it I knoiw for a fact it is. see it all come's down to how the disc is manuf.

1 BD 50 is cheaper than a DL-DVD 9 dues to many reason's one of which has to dow with the time each need's to be fully finished in the production stages.

for the fact the BD 50 is produced like you would a CD,

see the big cost was you had to invest into production line's for BD production upfront that was what increased the cost, but now any company that has done so already the cost per disc is the same to produce a BD 25 as itr does to produce a single DL- DVD 9. and its almost nearing the cost of 10% for the same production as a single sided single layer dvd 5.

the true cost benefit of the BD 25 is now more viable than when it first started back in 2003 when the BD 25 "which was the BD 25" incased in cart. format due to no protective coating.

Why are you not taking into your calculation R & D that has been already paid with DVD disc. In electronics, physical cost is usually less than the cost involve in developing and releasing the product. I agree that both of them cost maybe 10 cents of plastic, but what about the R & D already covered with DVD which means way lower royalties involve?

BD 25's R&D started since before 2003, Blu-Ray HAS Been on the market since 2003 in one shape or form.

its already been paid for , the real cost was increased upfront because you had to make newq production lines.

remember HD DVD's could be produced on  the same DVD line's but Blu-Ray's could not!

that's the point you needed a whole new upgraded production line for Blu-Ray,

though you did not have to with  HD DVD but it still is cheaper to produce those

HD DVD/15'S AND BD/25's than it does to produce a Single DL-DVD 9 on their production line's

that's the real advantage.

Yeah R & D already been covered probably more than by 200%. But It doesnt change the fact that youll pay more royalties on a 7 years old product then on a 14 years old product.



joeorc on 21 February 2010
Lord Flashheart said:
You're going to need to provide proof now. Saying the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.

think about it!

a single layer is cheaper to produce than a DL- no matter which format but if you want proof i will dig it up for you

 



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Barozi on 21 February 2010
dahuman said:
Barozi said:
I swap DVDs every hour, because I play a lot of different games.
So why the hell should I care if I need to swap 1 more disc ?

Furthermore I do the same on my PS3.
Why do we use obsolete technologies such as Blu-Ray, when we could just have them all pre-installed on our PS3 when we buy them ?

See how stupid that sounds ?

To be honest, I'm so used to double click start a game on PC that when I do have to change the disc in consoles that'd make me stand up, I'd get slightly annoyed even if it's just one disc, I just have no choice, I have no choice but to take a shit, I have no choice but to shower because I have this really fine skin and I have a job, I have no choice but to get food, that last part is especially important since I'd die pretty fast if I don't fulfill my stomach requirements and I don't want to die before I run out of money, which is hopefully never.

 

Fuck yes I'm lazy, I work jobs that give mental stress, last thing I wanna do after getting home, get things ready, and after finishing my excercises+shower is having to stand up just to change 1 little fucking disc, that's also another reason I don't take games out of a console unless I've at least beaten it once.

Well I also swap discs permanently on my PC.

And I need to stand up to get them from my shelves. Games, movies, blanks

ALL platforms have the same problem and no Steam is NO help at all.

I'd rather die than downloading 5-10GB big games from steam everytime I want to play them. It takes ages, huge amount of space on my HDD and when I back them up on DVD, I have the same old stand up problem again.



oldschoolfool on 21 February 2010
_honeybadger_ said:
it's a fact that not having to interrupt my gaming session to switch dics is more convenient and a PLUS than having to do it, posters that say otherwise are just delusional feeding themselves with lies.


really? It takes like a second to switch a disk.



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dahuman on 21 February 2010
joeorc said:
dahuman said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Is the BD disk ceaper to produce than DVD?
I can't believe that. How long have dvd's been around? it's cheap mass produced and not new. I don't see many BD given away with £3.99 magazines.
I think it's cheaper to produce 3 dvd's than 1 bd disk and if you can show me substantial evidence that proves you right I'll continue to believe that.

It's the blank ones that you burn on PCs that cost a lot because it's not as common in the consumer end, which is not to be confused with factory hard prints that PS3 games come with, the rest=other fees, that's where it really matters, DVD and BR are both just pieces of circular plastic in the end. Generally speaking, it gets expensive after 3DVDs+ to publish a game, and I'd imagen 2BRs+ would be where it gets expensive.

lol..O'L god yes, that is an understatement unless it's (2) BD-25's but that is what the BD-50 is for.

tbh, I don't think we'll even see multi-disc blu ray games for a very long time since they can just do multilayer in the future and make it hundreds of gigs per disc, it's quiet more advanced than DVD, so in reality money per space cost will always be cheaper with a BR Disc.



Lord Flashheart on 21 February 2010
joeorc said:
Lord Flashheart said:
You're going to need to provide proof now. Saying the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.

think about it!

a single layer is cheaper to produce than a DL- no matter which format but if you want proof i will dig it up for you

 

Depends on how cheap the dual layer is to produce but in theory yes it is i just don't believe Blu-ray has the market penetration, time on the market and mass production quantities to be cheaper than a product that has been out for years and is the market standard.



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Icyedge on 21 February 2010
dahuman said:

You are counting this by PC terms, which some users here probably won't really be in sync with. If you are just counting by $ per space, BR will be cheaper no matter what. I think they are more curious about production costs per game since not all games will use the full capacity of even a single layer BR.

Exactly, it cannot be compare with this criteria. The cost per GB needs to be split by the numbers of GB used, not by the maximum amount the disc will allow. If you want to use cost by GB as a comparation point youll have to compare 3 dual layer disc against one blue-ray. And even so, theres other things like royalties to take into account.



dahuman on 21 February 2010
Barozi said:
dahuman said:
Barozi said:
I swap DVDs every hour, because I play a lot of different games.
So why the hell should I care if I need to swap 1 more disc ?

Furthermore I do the same on my PS3.
Why do we use obsolete technologies such as Blu-Ray, when we could just have them all pre-installed on our PS3 when we buy them ?

See how stupid that sounds ?

To be honest, I'm so used to double click start a game on PC that when I do have to change the disc in consoles that'd make me stand up, I'd get slightly annoyed even if it's just one disc, I just have no choice, I have no choice but to take a shit, I have no choice but to shower because I have this really fine skin and I have a job, I have no choice but to get food, that last part is especially important since I'd die pretty fast if I don't fulfill my stomach requirements and I don't want to die before I run out of money, which is hopefully never.

 

Fuck yes I'm lazy, I work jobs that give mental stress, last thing I wanna do after getting home, get things ready, and after finishing my excercises+shower is having to stand up just to change 1 little fucking disc, that's also another reason I don't take games out of a console unless I've at least beaten it once.

Well I also swap discs permanently on my PC.

And I need to stand up to get them from my shelves. Games, movies, blanks

ALL platforms have the same problem and no Steam is NO help at all.

I'd rather die than downloading 5-10GB big games from steam everytime I want to play them. It takes ages, huge amount of space on my HDD and when I back them up on DVD, I have the same old stand up problame again.

I wouldn't know, I'm a snobby ass PC gamer with tera bytes of space who remotes into my PC on my iPhone to start downloading while I'm at work if I have to, games usually also get pre-loaded if I pre-order on steam, I don't backup anything, that's what the DD service and online storage are for. The really, really important stuff are on SSDs in banks.



Icyedge on 21 February 2010
joeorc said:
Lord Flashheart said:
You're going to need to provide proof now. Saying the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.

think about it!

a single layer is cheaper to produce than a DL- no matter which format but if you want proof i will dig it up for you

 

What about posting the royalties involve in using both products, everyone already trust you on the fact its cheaper to produce a single layer disc.