unrelated to this, the install and the dics size have no relation, blame kojima productions not the fact that it was single dics VS multi dics.

Interesting read joeorc.
I would still like a total cost of DVD9 verses BD25 and 50 but I doubt we'll ever know and it'll be speculation.
Either way a good read.

Simliar to this is how Star Ocean 4 had a bunch of disk swapping on the 360, but that wasn't due to DVD that was poor programming on the developers part, since I haven't heard of any other games that make people do that.

thank's, there is many factor's

as an example:

yes it's pretty much on a per/basis situation does because the more volume you buy the more you get in reduced cost/disc, say first run if you think your game is going to sell quite a bit you buy a large release production run but you also risk the sale's return. being slower than your sell through on a disc by disc basis and how fast it sell's, let's look at Modren warfare as an example:

how many copy's do you think they had in the first production run?

now let's compare that to say

how many of uncharted was produced in it's first production run.

you can guess Moderen warfare would have been cheaper over all to produce because of the number of disc's ordered right off the bat, now this apply's if you do not have your own production line's, Sony on the other hand does so in the end it would be cheaper for sony to go through itself to produce those disc's even though it has to charge itself the same price there is thing's they can do to offset the cost's like production of other's disc's not just blu-ray but also DVD.

blu-ray was a big stream of money for any founder  money and since it's estimated at 30% for just sony in it's not alone that is pretty smart, even what's more ironic

they and NEC joint production optiarc .inc in 2006  Sony could  have also produce HD DVD disc's for other companies if Sony wanted to.

On a large scale producing BD will cost less but for smaller less well known games that aren't going to sell as well as Uncharted it will impact them more than making the game on DVD9.
I still think it's cheaper to have multiple DVD9's than a single bluray but not by too much so the whole "it cost more to make more dvd's" argument is void to me.

I think they were tied up on the 3 DVD thing since the cost would apparently jump if it was on 4 DVDs, if they were able to have more repeated assets on each DVD in SO4, then you'd most likely see less swapping, that's one reason John Carmack is trying to limit the DVD number of Rage to under 3 DVDs because of that as well(cost.) Tri-Ace doesn't fuck around when it comes to graphics for the most part among JP devs, so the amount of assets were probably pretty big and hard to fit under 3, hence, swapping like crazy. Just get the PS3 version imo.

MS up the royalties over 3 disc.
A very stupid move if you ask me. I'm sure it's so they don't have 4 or 5 disk games and the cost of a new type of box but it's holding devs back.
Ok so it only applies to a handful of games but still sloppy on MS part.

Hmm... getting prices for actual replication is a bitch, since everyone seems to want you call or e-mail for a quote, but here are some numbers I've found, allowing replication of 5000 copies:

DVD-5: 53 cents each
DVD-9: 58 cents each
BR-25: $1.57 each (site: http://www.sfvideo.com/ )

DVD (unspecified size): 58 cents each, will drop to 19 cents each for large enough (unspecified) order
BR-25: $2.20 each, or $1.95 each at 10K units (site: http://www.rovix.com )

DVD-5: 50.58 cents each
DVD-9: 72.68 cents each
BR not offered (site: http://www.nationwidedisk.com )

So what I'm seeing is still a significant gap in pricing for making a disk. 2 DVD-9s appear to be cheaper than a single BR-25 in all cases, however. So no, pressing BR disks is not cheaper. (Also note that I did not find pricing for pressing BR-50s at all, so I can't look at that angle.)

Thanks Dunno001.

well that also depends on a company by company basis. say even  for the  smaller game's once you order disc's in the 100's or thousands at a time most companies will and in most cases give you a break on the cost say for instance you order further in advance and you say instead of I need them right away, i can settle for much later to get my disc's produced, for a small reduction in cost's,

like printing the more you get printed the cheaper manytime's it will be because they want you stick with them, there are quite a number of these companies that want you to go with them since they know you need more disc's produced in that quantity. once you get over a million+ your already saving some $$$.

as the format ages the price goes down.

for example here is DVD ROM's

your locked into the rates, but the volume can be used to offset the cost's

example:

DVD rom

US$0.075 per disc;
US$0.065 per disc on or after January 1, 2002;
US$0.05 per disc on or after January 1, 2004;
US$0.04 per disc on or after the effective date of the DVD6C License Agreement

so as you can see in under a 2 year time frame the cost dropped by quite a bit.

so already cost per BD 25 BEING AT NEAR 12 CENT'S per disc early last year.

now that there is more companies that have BD production line's prices are getting reduced very fast.