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Kasz216 on 20 February 2010
NiKKoM said:
Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:

Cause they don't have then? :P Anyway more serious:

Cause they would destroy their own holy land..killing the occupants is something different then nuking it...

and the fact that the fallout would kill not only their own people but also their neigbours..

 

You'd be surprised Nuclear fallout stuff is actually pretty exagerrated.

Additionally you know... not only do they see Israel as in that "holy war"... but also the US, UK and in general NATO allies as the west that prop up Israel.  Hence why they fund terrorist cells that hit us as well. 


So why again wouldn't they say... Nuke the UK if they had the weapons?

In Islam retaliation (cause that would be the case for invading) is authorized to avenge an injury. However, the retaliation must be directed toward the guilty individual(s), must be proportional to the injury, and must not exceed the limits set by Allah. The Qur'an does not support substitutionary retaliation against individuals who are innocent of any offense... So unless the the entire population UK nuked so that Israel could get the land.. 

And of course their ballistic missiles can't get there... unless you believe Israel on their reports that Iran has build super missiles with super long range with the help of North Korea.. but I'm sure the Americans will spot them like the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq..

Your first paragraph is entirely irrelevent since as stated... the revolutionary guard doesn't follow the tenats of Islam.

Your second paragrah is also incorrect.... since it wouldn't take "super missles" to reach europe... and Iran themselves have tested and claimed to have missles that could reach Europe.  It's why the US missle shield is being moved in fact... to protect europe from Iran.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8498504.stm



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NiKKoM on 20 February 2010
Kasz216 said:

Your first paragraph is entirely irrelevent since as stated... the revolutionary guard doesn't follow the tenats of Islam.

Your second paragrah is also incorrect.... since it wouldn't take "super missles" to reach europe... and Iran themselves have tested and claimed to have missles that could reach Europe.  It's why the US missle shield is being moved in fact... to protect europe from Iran.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8498504.stm

Thats so wrong.. their name isn't actually the revolutionary guard but Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution.. it has retained it's "radical" ideology even though it has assumed the outward structure of a conventional military force... they follow the Islam..

And yes.. you do have to use super  missiles.. their longest range missile now can hit Turkey.. thats 1300KM which they claim it can hit it... http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/blog/2009/12/iran-missile-can-hit-us-forward-bases-israel   Mainland Europe is like 4000KM.. that would be a super missile..



 

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sguy78 on 20 February 2010
megaman79 said:
CNN Poll: American believe Iran has nuclear weapons
Posted: February 19th, 2010 12:00 PM ET

Washington (CNN) – Seven in 10 Americans believe that Iran currently has nuclear weapons, according to a new national poll.

Friday's release of the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey comes just hours after Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the Islamic republic isn't seeking and doesn't believe in pursuing nuclear weapons. Khamenei was responding to a draft United Nations report that said that Iran may be working to develop a nuclear weapon.

The poll indicates that 71 percent of the public says Iran has nuclear weapons, with just over one in four disagreeing. More than six in ten think the U.S. should take economic and diplomatic efforts to get Iran to shut down their nuclear program, with only a quarter calling for immediate military action.

---- Ok, but they don't have Nuclear Weapons. How can people be so unaware, and this is after Iraq, that a middle eastern country does not actually pose an immediate threat?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/19/cnn-poll-american-believe-iran-has-nuclear-weapons/?fbid=Sr3kk3Dlul3

I just find it funny that you can be so absolutely positive there were no WMD's in Iraq. We gave them two weeks of notice, and we have photos of numerous large trucks moving in the direction of Syria during said two weeks. Iran is obviously develpoing nuclear materials, and has said that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth. The dictatorship just stole another election where the opposition lost his own town. Seems like a perfectly stable country to have nuclear weapons. How long can you stick your head in the sand while maniacle dictator stomp on their people? I bet you would have just gone along with the flow when Hitler stormed Poland too, huh?



sguy78 on 20 February 2010
MANUELF said:
MontanaHatchet said:
MANUELF said:
MontanaHatchet said:
MANUELF said:
They should shut up, United States has the most nuclear weapons in the world and no one cares

Because we're not unstable and likely to launch it out of petty anger and jealousy.

But United States is the only country who has used nuclear weapons against another country

Not only were the circumstances completely different (which I'm sure you realize, but are ignoring), the U.S. hasn't used one since (despite being in several wars). Not to mention the U.S. has severely reduced its number of nuclear weapons and been one of the leading nations worldwide in nuclear disarmament. But whatever...

I know the situations were different but that doesn´t matter with my point US still is the only country who has used nuclear weapons against another

Have you ever even read a history book? The necessary invasion of Japan to achieve victory would have lost the Allies countless lives due to the voraciousness the Japanese would have displayed defending their homeland. The nukes were a necessary evil to end the war of all wars. It had to be done. How can you possibly compare this instance with putting a nuke in the hands of a radical regime?



gurglesletch on 20 February 2010

Who was the surveyed group, A bunch of bums or something?




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megaman79 on 21 February 2010
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
58% of British people think Sherlock Holmes is a real person.

In other words. 71% isn't particularly high for something that's close to being the case.

Haha. I remember that poll, being so ashamed of my fellow countrymen. Didn't 24% also believe that Winston Churchill was fictional?

Anyway, your bit about statistics kind of reminds of Doug Stanhope talking about polls on the news. Whereby basically a poll will come up on a complicated subject that is hard to understand, yet you will get 57% say yes, 40% say no and 3% say I don't know. In reality they all don't know and all it tells you is that 97% of people will give you a strong opinion based on something they know nothing about.

And it's true, especially when it comes to Iran having nukes. It's a situation that even the brightest minds who's job it is to know, don't know. I would guess from reports I've read that their Uranium enrichment facilities are far too small to produce any nuke, let alone a large one or several. So it would be foolish for them to build one. But then again, I have absolutely no clue what I'm talking about like everyone else, I have not been to Iran and examined their Uranium enrichment programme. No one outside of the Iranian government has.

The moral of the story is that public opinion polls should not be trusted.

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starcraft on 21 February 2010
MANUELF said:
MontanaHatchet said:
MANUELF said:
MontanaHatchet said:
MANUELF said:
They should shut up, United States has the most nuclear weapons in the world and no one cares

Because we're not unstable and likely to launch it out of petty anger and jealousy.

But United States is the only country who has used nuclear weapons against another country

Not only were the circumstances completely different (which I'm sure you realize, but are ignoring), the U.S. hasn't used one since (despite being in several wars). Not to mention the U.S. has severely reduced its number of nuclear weapons and been one of the leading nations worldwide in nuclear disarmament. But whatever...

I know the situations were different but that doesn´t matter with my point US still is the only country who has used nuclear weapons against another

And your point is entirely irrelevant unless you can indicate some sort of causal link to the current situation...



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starcraft on 21 February 2010
NiKKoM said:
Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:

Cause they don't have then? :P Anyway more serious:

Cause they would destroy their own holy land..killing the occupants is something different then nuking it...

and the fact that the fallout would kill not only their own people but also their neigbours..

 

You'd be surprised Nuclear fallout stuff is actually pretty exagerrated.

Additionally you know... not only do they see Israel as in that "holy war"... but also the US, UK and in general NATO allies as the west that prop up Israel.  Hence why they fund terrorist cells that hit us as well. 


So why again wouldn't they say... Nuke the UK if they had the weapons?

In Islam retaliation (cause that would be the case for invading) is authorized to avenge an injury. However, the retaliation must be directed toward the guilty individual(s), must be proportional to the injury, and must not exceed the limits set by Allah. The Qur'an does not support substitutionary retaliation against individuals who are innocent of any offense... So unless the the entire population UK nuked so that Israel could get the land.. 

And of course their ballistic missiles can't get there... unless you believe Israel on their reports that Iran has build super missiles with super long range with the help of North Korea.. but I'm sure the Americans will spot them like the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq..

I am going to say this one time.  I trust that I don't need to put hours of effort in to typing the thousands of lines that would prove it, because it really should just be blatantly obvious.

The leaders of Iran are not practicing and true believing Islamic adherants by any stretch of the imagination.  They play the Islam card when it suits them, and ignore it when repressing their own or  other people is called for.



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damkira on 21 February 2010

Israel has had nuclear weapons.. for how long?

If Iran gets them it, there is no reason to think they would use them.

Mutually Assured Destruction and all..

 



Kasz216 on 21 February 2010
NiKKoM said:
Kasz216 said:

Your first paragraph is entirely irrelevent since as stated... the revolutionary guard doesn't follow the tenats of Islam.

Your second paragrah is also incorrect.... since it wouldn't take "super missles" to reach europe... and Iran themselves have tested and claimed to have missles that could reach Europe.  It's why the US missle shield is being moved in fact... to protect europe from Iran.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8498504.stm

Thats so wrong.. their name isn't actually the revolutionary guard but Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution.. it has retained it's "radical" ideology even though it has assumed the outward structure of a conventional military force... they follow the Islam..

And yes.. you do have to use super  missiles.. their longest range missile now can hit Turkey.. thats 1300KM which they claim it can hit it... http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/blog/2009/12/iran-missile-can-hit-us-forward-bases-israel   Mainland Europe is like 4000KM.. that would be a super missile..

It's the slang name.  I know the actual name thanks.  They don't follow islam.

They train terrorists, they pay people to attack civlians... both in Israel and the west.

They would like nothing better then to take as many people out as they could when they were going down.  Palestinians included, because in reality, they don't give a damn about them.  The widespread support of palestine was nothing but a land grab for those countries nearby... and now is just to oppose their counterbalance.