Yay, consoles are to blame for all the world's problems again. Thanks Vlad, for blessing us with your great wisdom.

You mean the series Rebellion started on the Atari Jaguar almost 5 years before it ever saw the light of day on a PC? Man you sure don't know a lot about the history of a franchise you have no problems bitching about.

For those with a hint of nostalgia, remember these?

I need to get me a Jaguar again.

I think I'll rent it, don't know if its a buy.

p.s. The best AVP game ever is AVP Extinction on the PS2/Xbox

If you really want to be technical, the first AVP game was for the Game Boy. As I said earlier, the PC versions of AVP and AVP2 are the only AVP games which don't have ha;f-assed, shoehorned, mechanics that make no sense whatsoever (seriously... PUNCH AN ALIEN IN THE FACE, just how retarded is that?) and ruin the game completely.

I think you are playing it wrong, of have different expectations. Its definetly not a survival horror game you want it to be.

I dont think melee in the face ruins the game at all. Maybe you're jsut a pro and need a greater challenge, but if I couldn't melee aliens when they gang up on me, i would have given up on the game cause of frustration. Sure, its not realistic, but it fits the gameplay pace and action.

The first 1 on 1 fight with the Predator as a marine, if you got that far...even you have to admit that was badass.

You don't need the melee, just back pedal and strafe left or right and go in circles when you see they are about to do a charge/heavy attack. Then proceed to kill them. My point about the melee thing is exactly what you pointed out, it fits the gameplay pace and action, which is heavily lacking if you need to melee an Alien. Fighting a predator is much cooler and harder, however playing as the predator is also extremely frustrating, the controls are so much more awkward.

P.S. I loved how someone pointed out there were 5 guns in the game, as if that's a big number. Seriously, I laughed aloud.

If you really want to be technical, the first AVP game was for the Super Nintendo, not the Game Boy. Secondly, I was talking specifically about the exact same PC series you are. The first person shooter, survival horroresque, Rebellion developed series? Yeah that all started on the Jaguar, not the PC. Everything the PC games were built from comes from the ideas in that first game in '94. Just for the sake of argument though, what "half-assed, shoehorned mechanics that make no sense whatsoever and ruin the game completely" were in the original Jaguar game?

To be fair that game was far far better than the pile of crap that this newest one is, however if you look at it and compared it to DOOM, which was out by the time it came out. The game was slower paced, and it really missed a speed turn button (DOOM's run also turne dyou a lot faster). Since we're also on the topic of how limiting consoles are, remember how broken the Save Game didn't save some important things, you know... like enemies left or stuff you had? Somehow DOOM didn't have those problems, and it's a pretty big omission. Granted I only played my friend's Jag, but I still noticed those problems. Maybe there were even more if I had actually owned the Jaguar and played the game more.

 As far as the AVP series goes, the ones exclusively for PC were the best ones, with the 2nd being better than the first. Of course, this series goes down with many many other great franchises which consoles absolutely ruined.

@ Onyxmeth

Don't forget the AvP arcade game that Capcom released as well during the mid 90's.  This series has been all over the place.

wow you're scaring me on that game... the thread starts good then vlad ruins that idea....

Oh well I had it in preorder and i'm just waiting for it to arrive from the UK (reshipped) to try it...PC

how is the MP?