TheRealMafoo said: Zucas said: TheRealMafoo said: Zucas said: TheRealMafoo said: hahaha, sorry my friend. We could all at once, set off every weapon we have ever made, and burn everything we have ever produced, and worst we would do is kill all of us and maybe 40% of all living things. 20 million years from now, nothing we do will matter. Life will be on earth, and the earth will be just fine. We are not remotely destroying the planet. Oh that's smart.  So now instead of just suicide, it's conscious or assisted suicide.  That's lovely.  It's good know we as a human race think so little of ourselves which is actually a mask for how arrogant we are.  The point of my response was to demonstrate how melodramatic he was being. I was hoping it would move him to a place where we could debate a little more rationally, and not talk about what we are doing as some sort of hollywood picture where the world blows up. We should take care of the world better then we are, for many many reasons. Temperature is not one of them. And I totally agree that we should treat the world better to ensure that we have a planet that is livable.  And when we get complete confirmation that global warming isn't an issue, then we can scratch off the list.  Let's not make any truth claims we aren't sure of fully.  That's my postion. What i take issue with, is governments spending tens of billions of dollars, and causing hundreds of millions of people to change the way they conduct there lives in the name of Climate Change. I have no problem spending a few million here and there to find an answer. But find that answer before you try and change the world.

Haha ask the governments of the world to do something logical... may be asking a little too much eh haha.  But yea that seems reasonable enough but we live in a world of extremes.  I doubt our logical position will win out.  But I agree with ya there.

Kasz216 said: In otherwords... the old proofs don't exist anymore. New proofs need to be discovered if it's true.

And that's all I'm saying, but we also need to start thinking about the "character" of Mr. Phil Jones here.  If he is untrustworthy to begin with then who knows now.  But I agree new data needs to be found before we do anything.

Zucas said: Kasz216 said: In otherwords... the old proofs don't exist anymore. New proofs need to be discovered if it's true. And that's all I'm saying, but we also need to start thinking about the "character" of Mr. Phil Jones here.  If he is untrustworthy to begin with then who knows now.  But I agree new data needs to be found before we do anything.

Remember, he's not the only scientist who has made up evidence on this issue.

Zucas said: Kasz216 said: In otherwords... the old proofs don't exist anymore. New proofs need to be discovered if it's true. And that's all I'm saying, but we also need to start thinking about the "character" of Mr. Phil Jones here.  If he is untrustworthy to begin with then who knows now.  But I agree new data needs to be found before we do anything.

Well to be fair he still claims that global warming is happening. He was just forced to admit a bunch of stuff... like they destroyed the orginal data and that since 1995 there hasn't been statistical evidence of global warming. Which is troubling since the current theory on global warming is an escalation effect. That it keeps getting hotter and hotter worse and worse. Since that's how climateology works. First the effect is 1, then it's 2... then you've got 2 in the air so it caues a rise in 4. 4 in the air causes 4 more to join it, 8 causes 8 to join it the next year etc. For global warming to be statistically insiginificant since 95 it really means 1 of 3 things. 1) the methods/data are flawed... this is data we actually have data for, so it'd have to be a methods issue. 2) The earth has suddeny entered a MASSIVE natural cooling phase. 3) The earth has suddenly stopped through a massive heating phase and the human effect is negilgable. (More likely then 2 based on the other data.)

http://cllrcliffroper.blogspot.com/2009/12/is-global-warming-just-another.html

Here is another link pertaining to the fact that the measuring tools have been changed, and have at times been place right above asphalt, making the temperatures seem higher than they actually are.

I always was skeptical of man being the major agent behind climate change.

Of course, that should never cause one to conserve less, or care about the environment less. Everyone should care about doing the right things and being good stewards of the earth.

However, levying taxes, and forcing businesses to go under was, and never will, be the way to do it.

In Ohio, we're really feeling the effects of the hot air behind global warming. We may break the all time record for worst winter in our history. And why is it so bad? Sunspots, or lack thereof, IMO. People have taken one aspect of warming/cooling science - Co2, and destroyed all other correlated sciences and studies, which is a horribly unsavory way of 'science'. Reminds me of the flat-earthers.

@mrstickball

I agree. And the worst part, is all that effort could have been used to learn how to live in a world that's getting colder, or warmer, and not put into trying to stop it.

Once you realize we have very little (if nothing) to do with it, or even worse, if we have an impact that nothing can be done to stop it, we can work on problems we can solve.

It like if I fall off the roof of a house, I need to spend my time figuring out how I am going to land. Not spend time figuring how to stop from falling.

Oh and for a better analysis of the global warming situation here is John Stewart at the Daily Show. Go to like 4 mins or watch the whole thing:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-10-2010/unusually-large-snowstorm

http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/thermometer-zombie-walk/

Interesting blog. Talks about the quality of information and the choice of base year for studying this topic.

I love John Stewart, but he is on Comedy Central for a reason. He is not a source of science. Plus, in that piece, he didn't talk about anything at all. Just made fun of the weather.