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Tetsuo Shima on 16 November 2007
johnsobas said:

now we got the PS3 version doing 11k first day.
 

Fixed.

You can cry out as much as you want. Everybody knows what game really bombed lately and gets Japanese Flop of the Decade award.

 



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Rath on 16 November 2007
Tetsuo Shima said:
johnsobas said:

now we got the PS3 version doing 11k first day.

Fixed.

You can cry out as much as you want. Everybody knows what game really bombed lately and gets Japanese Flop of the Decade award.

 


 Can a 260k week really be counted as a flop?

 I know it was well below most peoples expectations but for a flop the game has to sell so poorly that its unlikely to turn a profit, SMG certainly hasnt done that.



HappySqurriel on 16 November 2007
Tetsuo Shima said:
johnsobas said:

now we got the PS3 version doing 11k first day.
 

Fixed.

You can cry out as much as you want. Everybody knows what game really bombed lately and gets Japanese Flop of the Decade award.

 


250,000 on Week one when the previous version sold 800,000 copies in its multi-year life (with a few years as a budget game or bundle) is not exactly a flop; depending on how it sells over the next couple of months it could end up with a (fairly) respectable total in comparison to other games in the series.



Tetsuo Shima on 16 November 2007
HappySqurriel said:

250,000 on Week one when the previous version sold 800,000 copies in its multi-year life (with a few years as a budget game or bundle) is not exactly a flop; depending on how it sells over the next couple of months it could end up with a (fairly) respectable total in comparison to other games in the series.


I'm sure everybody is satisfied. Yes, it's one of the biggest flops of the decade. This game struggles to break 500 k in Japan. It's not Lair, it's not VF5 it's not MotorStorm. It's Mario. The biggest Wii game didn't beat Gundam Musou. You will see what means descent start in Japan when FFXIII arrive. 



whatever on 16 November 2007
Tetsuo Shima said:
HappySqurriel said:

250,000 on Week one when the previous version sold 800,000 copies in its multi-year life (with a few years as a budget game or bundle) is not exactly a flop; depending on how it sells over the next couple of months it could end up with a (fairly) respectable total in comparison to other games in the series.


I'm sure everybody is satisfied. Yes, it's one of the biggest flops of the decade. This game struggles to break 500 k in Japan. It's not Lair, it's not VF5 it's not MotorStorm. It's Mario. The biggest Wii game didn't beat Gundam Musou. You will see what means descent start in Japan when FFXIII arrive.


Your an idiot.  If you want to take some bets on whether or not SMG beat SMS in Japan, let me know.  I'll gladly take your money.



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Rath on 16 November 2007
Tetsuo Shima said:
HappySqurriel said:

250,000 on Week one when the previous version sold 800,000 copies in its multi-year life (with a few years as a budget game or bundle) is not exactly a flop; depending on how it sells over the next couple of months it could end up with a (fairly) respectable total in comparison to other games in the series.


I'm sure everybody is satisfied. Yes, it's one of the biggest flops of the decade. This game struggles to break 500 k in Japan. It's not Lair, it's not VF5 it's not MotorStorm. It's Mario. The biggest Wii game didn't beat Gundam Musou. You will see what means descent start in Japan when FFXIII arrive.

 

Its sales are dissapointing, yes. They certainly arent a flop though, the game will have no problem cruising through 500k and I would be extremely suprised if they did not cross the million barrier in Japan. That is no flop.

Also do you have any evidence that FFXIII will have a huge start or is it just your fanboy senses tingling? 



Pk9394 on 16 November 2007

ok mario flop on japan, just wait for the us mario number before you consider the game is a total flop.
R&C is consider a flop because it have showed lower numbers at its best market(NA) and a very very low number in japan market. for a high profile game that struggle to break 500k(the break even point) is a major dissapointment.

The low developement cost of wii, I dont think it'll need to break 500k to break even, and it already cruise in on that 500k point on only one market. nintendo will turn in a profit for that game, and R&C will less likely to see profit in a long long time.



HappySqurriel on 16 November 2007
Tetsuo Shima said:
HappySqurriel said:

250,000 on Week one when the previous version sold 800,000 copies in its multi-year life (with a few years as a budget game or bundle) is not exactly a flop; depending on how it sells over the next couple of months it could end up with a (fairly) respectable total in comparison to other games in the series.


I'm sure everybody is satisfied. Yes, it's one of the biggest flops of the decade. This game struggles to break 500 k in Japan. It's not Lair, it's not VF5 it's not MotorStorm. It's Mario. The biggest Wii game didn't beat Gundam Musou. You will see what means descent start in Japan when FFXIII arrive. 


Compare:

Week Game 1 Date Weekly Total Game 2 Date Weekly Total
1 Super Mario Galaxy 11/04/07 260,993 260,993  Super Mario Sunshine 07/21/02 338,688 338,688
2 Super Mario Galaxy 11/11/07 80,389 341,382  Super Mario Sunshine 07/28/02 111,451 450,139

with:

Week Game 1 Date Weekly Total Game 2 Date Weekly Total
1 Everybodys Golf 3 07/29/01 295,527 295,527  Everybodys Golf 5 07/29/07 167,659 167,659
2 Everybodys Golf 3 08/05/01 130,211 425,738  Everybodys Golf 5 08/05/07 54,882 222,541
3 Everybodys Golf 3 08/12/01 87,159 512,897  Everybodys Golf 5 08/12/07 30,699 253,240
4 Everybodys Golf 3 08/19/01 83,520 596,417  Everybodys Golf 5 08/19/07 26,073 279,313
5 Everybodys Golf 3 08/26/01 62,345 658,762  Everybodys Golf 5 08/26/07 13,315 292,628
6 Everybodys Golf 3 09/02/01 49,063 707,825  Everybodys Golf 5 09/02/07 11,477 304,105
7 Everybodys Golf 3 09/09/01 37,523 745,348  Everybodys Golf 5 09/09/07 9,704 313,809
8 Everybodys Golf 3 09/16/01 30,819 776,167  Everybodys Golf 5 09/16/07 8,093 321,902
9 Everybodys Golf 3 09/23/01 20,061 796,228  Everybodys Golf 5 09/23/07 8,441 330,343
10 Everybodys Golf 3 09/30/01 17,645 813,873  Everybodys Golf 5 09/30/07 6,943 337,286
11 Everybodys Golf 3 10/07/01 12,106 825,979  Everybodys Golf 5 10/07/07 4,792 342,078
12 Everybodys Golf 3 10/14/01 9,045 835,024  Everybodys Golf 5 10/14/07 4,347 346,425
13 Everybodys Golf 3 10/21/01 9,443 844,467  Everybodys Golf 5 10/21/07 6,614 353,039
14 Everybodys Golf 3 10/28/01 10,109 854,576  Everybodys Golf 5 10/28/07 5,907 358,946
15 Everybodys Golf 3 11/04/01 9,579 864,155  Everybodys Golf 5 11/04/07 5,836 364,782
16 Everybodys Golf 3 11/11/01 7,006 871,161  Everybodys Golf 5 11/11/07 7,630 372,412

 

Which is the bigger flop? (remembering Everybody's Golf 3 outsold Super Mario Sunshine almost by 75%)

Edit: Or

Week Game 1 Date Weekly Total Game 2 Date Weekly Total
1 Virtua Fighter 4 02/03/02 367,403 367,403  Virtua Fighter 5 02/11/07 51,493 51,493
2 Virtua Fighter 4 02/10/02 71,426 438,829  Virtua Fighter 5 02/18/07 13,517 65,010
3 Virtua Fighter 4 02/17/02 37,126 475,955  Virtua Fighter 5 02/25/07 5,246 70,256
4 Virtua Fighter 4 02/24/02 17,086 493,041  Virtua Fighter 5 03/04/07 3,668 73,924
5 Virtua Fighter 4 03/03/02 11,316 504,357  Virtua Fighter 5 03/11/07 2,174 76,098
6 Virtua Fighter 4 03/10/02 6,968 511,325  Virtua Fighter 5 03/18/07 1,641 77,739
7 Virtua Fighter 4 03/17/02 4,620 515,945  Virtua Fighter 5 03/25/07 1,265 79,004
8 Virtua Fighter 4 03/24/02 3,951 519,896  Virtua Fighter 5 04/01/07 832 79,836
9 Virtua Fighter 4 03/31/02 4,017 523,913  Virtua Fighter 5 04/08/07 589 80,425
10 Virtua Fighter 4 04/07/02 3,587 527,500  Virtua Fighter 5 04/15/07 458 80,883
11 Virtua Fighter 4 04/14/02 2,914 530,414  Virtua Fighter 5 04/22/07 322 81,205
12 Virtua Fighter 4 04/21/02 2,435 532,849  Virtua Fighter 5 04/29/07 275 81,480
13 Virtua Fighter 4 04/28/02 2,685 535,534  Virtua Fighter 5 05/06/07 295 81,775
14 Virtua Fighter 4 05/05/02 2,679 538,213  Virtua Fighter 5 05/13/07 168 81,943
15 Virtua Fighter 4 05/12/02 2,059 540,272  Virtua Fighter 5 05/20/07 136 82,079
16 Virtua Fighter 4 05/19/02 1,697 541,969  Virtua Fighter 5 05/27/07 156 82,235
17 Virtua Fighter 4 05/26/02 1,861 543,830  Virtua Fighter 5 06/03/07 127 82,362
18 Virtua Fighter 4 06/02/02 1,456 545,286  Virtua Fighter 5 06/10/07 100 82,462


outlawauron on 16 November 2007

Well, HappySquirrel the Wii is very popular is it not?

The Gamecube, eh ... not so much.

But, really I compare EG5 numbers to most recent EG. The new one was released on PSP in 2005 or 2006.

What was the attach rate for EG3? I know it's 30% for EG5.



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outlawauron on 16 November 2007

@ckmlb

They used the Resistance engine for R&CF. So this game probably didn't cost much. It won't as big a success as Resistance, but it will pay for itself.



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