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vlad321 said:
Strategyking92 said:
yeah, and also it only affects 3 games. Maybe more, but not many.. And some people don't even have the problems.

It's like saying PC's force you to spend over a thousand dollars to get full performance out of crysis. Does that affect the rest of the library? lol, no. It's not like it prevents you from playing the game. It just makes it worse.

Exactly my point. It's just like PC gaming.

"Consoles now apparently force upgrades to an HDTV, not just when your SDTV is broken. It's a very valid argument."

 

You seem to be arguing with yourself here, though.



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Strategyking92 said:
vlad321 said:
Strategyking92 said:
yeah, and also it only affects 3 games. Maybe more, but not many.. And some people don't even have the problems.

It's like saying PC's force you to spend over a thousand dollars to get full performance out of crysis. Does that affect the rest of the library? lol, no. It's not like it prevents you from playing the game. It just makes it worse.

Exactly my point. It's just like PC gaming.

"Consoles now apparently force upgrades to an HDTV, not just when your SDTV is broken. It's a very valid argument."

 

You seem to be arguing with yourself here, though.

That's aimed at anyone who thinks you need to upgrade every 6 months.



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vlad321 said:
Strategyking92 said:
vlad321 said:
Strategyking92 said:
vlad321 said:
Strategyking92 said:
vlad321 said:
Strategyking92 said:
vlad321 said:
Man... I thought console gaming was better than PC gaming because it didn't have expensive hardware upgrade requirements....

.. You mean a TV?

I am fairly sure TVs are hardware. Did they become software without me noticing?

So you are complaining about buying TV's costing money?

TV's are quite a different situation from PC gaming parts.

No it's really not. At this day and age you need a PC more than a TV. You need a CPU, you need RAM, and while you don't need a VG it is required for many things other than video games, including watching movies. So no, not different at all. It's something required for gaming, and for the price of an "upgrade" I can build a brand spanking new PC, more powerful than any console.

Don't PC's need monitors?

CRT monitors are still considered better than the flast screens, believe it or not. I believe those have existed for a long long time. Also You can get a 22" 16:10 monitor for $120 if you know where to look.

I game on my xbox using an HD monitor/tv. The arguement fails.

Both a console and a pc need a display, simple as that. And it's not like you have to upgrade those every 4 or 5 years. I think you proved that with your mention of CRT monitors?

Like I said, it's a different situation regarding PC parts.

No PC game will ever force you to upgrade you display. None. You upgrade it whenever you want as long as it works. Games do however force an upgrade to other hardware. Consoles now apparently force upgrades to an HDTV, not just when your SDTV is broken. It's a very valid argument.

No you don't have a valid argument. Its the dumbest argument I've ever heard. And no xbox game forces you to buy a HDTV. You're not going to convince anyone to drop their console and PC game and no need to troll in this thread.



Its called Sharpness. Turn it up on even SD TVs and problem solved.



aahhh, the arguments of the technophiles niche vs consumer buyer evidence. I personally loved the article that pointed out that even with HDTV that the Wii was the dominant console. So I love to hear the fallacy argument that HDTV means HD Console. It's just reverse now. HDConsole means HDTV.

Hey simple thing to understand. HDTV has moved past the technophile phase. Once stores barely carry CRT which is the case now. Adoption is mandatory, but that has no bearing as towards the accessories that users attach to it. What users will attach is the most common.

Due to the nature of Vlads argument. TV are not computer parts, but still apply the same the rules of upgrades. People don't buy a new TV every 2 years. I have a monitor that's 10 years old and output 1280x800 and crystal clear imagery. Do I need to upgrade that. No, but I bought an LCD for convince sake. Damned they are lighter.

Majority of gamers including those who buy HD consoles. shock and awe, but them for the game play not for being a technophile. Here's another shocker. Most forum goers are typically the niche gamer like a technophile.



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I just upgraded to HD TV!!! I was wasting my time with the SD. Couldn't read letters on many games before that. If you spent money on a high priced HD console you should try to get the TV it was made for asap. It's f'n worth it.



Buy a cheap HDTV. That is the answer to your problem. SDTVs are being phased out.

32 inches to 50 inches for a LCD HDTV.
50 inches and above for a Plasma.

$500 for a HDTV TV and lasts up to 10 years.



Assuming Xbox 360 owner has a PC with a display bought within the last few years, they can use that with the appropriate connectors. VGA if you're working with old equipment, HDMI to DVI cable if not.

I don't really get these arguments about "having" to "upgrade" TVs to see HD resolutions considering you technically also have to "upgrade" your PC monitor to see the same or better resolutions, assuming you started with a 640x480 VGA CRT monitor from the early 90s. Most aren't. They already have "HD" compatible resolution PC displays whether they know it or not.

Do you have a PC display over 640x480? 1680x1050 displays run what, about $150 if you buy the cheapest one? Even the cheapest new PC display you buy today would have no less than 1280x720 resolution if you spend at least $100 on it.

Point is, if you have one (HDTV or non 90s era PC display) you can use it with both your PC and your game console, assuming you know how to buy and plug in the appropriate cable. It's tough, I know. Practically rocket science, but there are a lot of gamers currently using their HDTVs as PC monitors, and PC monitors as console displays.

Technically, you don't have to buy/own both if you're on a budget.

I have a PC and an HD console attached to both PC displays and HDTVs. For the record, I am not a rocket scientist.

But what about those who have no PC (and no PC display) and only have an SD TV? Life is tough. I think there are about 6 billion people who don't own an Xbox 360 either.



That's bullshit. People with SDTVs should not have to bend over and have their game crippled just because developers are trying to show off their graphics with HDTVs.

If this topic is true, than Bioware is only losing tons of potential sales with this flaw. I say good riddance. Why give the middle finger to a large portion of the gaming audience?



The only thing that pissed me off in ME.2. is that it liked to freeze alot.