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vaio on 10 February 2010
Seece said:
Wyrdness said:
The only impression I'm getting from this thread is that people don't want the Wii brought in because it's 67m units ahead. It's inevitable that the Wii will be brought into such a topic as it's the target for which they're aiming for, I honestly don't see the problem as rather then discussing it in a debate and drawing comparisons here and there between the new MCs and the Wii to further the discussion I see people raging and calling people trolls. I assume it's because in a topic like this it's the PS3/360 who are new to the game and playing catch up so they can't bash the Wii but rather the users who bring it up, debates progress and new elements are brought in to further discussions so if you don't like someone else drawing a comparison just ignore the post.

No not at all, my beef is with rubang coming into a PS3 vs £60 thread basically saying "Wii is in first place, the others don't matter" It's trolling and it's flamebait, and this is one of the few Natal vs Arc threads that would have been nice if wii fans didn't come in, because you know what? most people interested in Natal and Arc on this site arnt interested in the wii, I don't wanna have to talk about the wii everytime I come into a natal thread, it's getting REALLY boring.

get over your boring overdramatic Wii hate thats so old and accept that Natal would not be where it is today with out the wii hence why wii shows up in such discussions.

To some extent i agree with you, just showing up to rub into peoples faces that the wii wins is tiring but to exclude the wii in a discussion it belongs too isnt right either.



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vaio on 10 February 2010
Seece said:
vaio said:
Seece said:
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Seece said:
vaio said:
Seece said:
vaio said:
Seece said:

I don't need to, I've already explained why wii isn't relevent, but you fail to read the OP. Again go learn what it means little kid.

you failed to read my comments as I have stated that I read it. Just because he intentionally leaves the Wii out doesnt make it less relevant.

It´s like theese analists talking about whos gonna win the console wars and not mentioning the Wii, you cant talk about winning the hardware race and not include the Wii.

If he wanted to talk about motion controlls on only xbox and ps then he should have talked about motion controlls SECOND PLACE not MOTION CONTROLL WINNER.

you see the difference?

 

Wow, then you didn't read the OP did you? Cos despite the title this isn't about who's going to win the HW war or the motion wars, it's about who's going to come out on top BETWEEN Microsoft and Sony.

Go read the OP and go learn what trolling means. Seriously.

Seriously you have a reading comprehension problem when it comes to my posts?

here i copy and paste what i wrote:

1.Just because he intentionally leaves the Wii out doesnt make it less relevant.

2.It´s like theese analists talking about whos gonna win the console wars and not mentioning the Wii, you cant talk about winning the hardware race and not include the Wii.

AND

3.If he wanted to talk about motion controlls on only xbox and ps then he should have talked about motion controlls SECOND PLACE not MOTION CONTROLL WINNER.

Its not that hard to understand if you actually read it.

 

Just because he intentionally leaves the Wii out doesnt make it less relevant.

ugh, no I read your comment fine, This isn't about coming 1st or 2nd, it's PS3 VS 360!

I understand what you're saying, and I already addressed that, you're just mimicing me and coming out with crap.

you cant be talking about winner without including the wii simple as that, if he didnt leave out the wii intentionaly then he should have worded the title different as long as the title is what it is the only conclusion is that he willfully left out the wii.

Another reason why he could have left out the Wii is that his reasoning around the pricing goes out the window when Wii is included.

Wich of the reasons he actually acted on will never be known to either of us.

Yes you can actually, yet you and the wii fans here fail to see that. It's not the winner of the motion wars, it's the winner between 360 and PS3. and there will be one, he isn't saying the Wii hasn't one, he isn't mentioning it because it's completly irrelvent to the discussion.

Until you understand this entire thread is about 360 vs PS3 and who will win BETWEEN THEM, then you're gonna carry on with this very annoying "Waaaaaaa wii deserves a mention" attitude. Completly childish and annoying, know whats worse than a sore loser? a sore winner.

I never said it deserves mentioning I said you cant talk about winners without including the Wii and the reason he isnt mentioning one is because

1. he intenrionally ignores it

2. It kills his price argument

3 both the above

The whole reason there is a motion controlls war between the 2 (actually all three) is because of the Wii and thus you cant have this topic without the mentioning of said console.

you need to accept the wii exists and is the reason this topic exists and is actually Winning the motion contoll wars wich this is about.

As I said before just because he intentionally excludes the wii doesnt make it less relevant to the topic and just because his exclusion suits your agenda it doesnt either make it right.

If you want a xbox vs ps motion contoll topic go create one your self where it states its about second place or the winner between the 2 and i will gladly participate without mentioning Wii and also give my reasons why i think natal will and should win, this topic doesnt fit under those criterias.

We're going to have to agree to disagree, the wii has no place in this discussion and this is about the winner between Arc vs Natal not overall motion controller winner. Anyone can see that except for a few wii fans that want to gloat in this thread.

actually if you bothered to read the whole thread it´s more the wii owners that think it belongs to this discussion while your ponit of view isnt even supported by a handfull



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.

Seece on 10 February 2010
vaio said:
Seece said:
Wyrdness said:
The only impression I'm getting from this thread is that people don't want the Wii brought in because it's 67m units ahead. It's inevitable that the Wii will be brought into such a topic as it's the target for which they're aiming for, I honestly don't see the problem as rather then discussing it in a debate and drawing comparisons here and there between the new MCs and the Wii to further the discussion I see people raging and calling people trolls. I assume it's because in a topic like this it's the PS3/360 who are new to the game and playing catch up so they can't bash the Wii but rather the users who bring it up, debates progress and new elements are brought in to further discussions so if you don't like someone else drawing a comparison just ignore the post.

No not at all, my beef is with rubang coming into a PS3 vs £60 thread basically saying "Wii is in first place, the others don't matter" It's trolling and it's flamebait, and this is one of the few Natal vs Arc threads that would have been nice if wii fans didn't come in, because you know what? most people interested in Natal and Arc on this site arnt interested in the wii, I don't wanna have to talk about the wii everytime I come into a natal thread, it's getting REALLY boring.

get over your boring overdramatic Wii hate thats so old and accept that Natal would be where it is today with out the wii hence why wii shows up in such discussions.

To some extent i agree with you, just showing up to rub into peoples faces that the wii wins is tiring but to exclude the wii in a discussion it belongs too isnt right either.

You have paranoia, just because someone doesn't have interest or wants to talk about the Wii doesn't mean they hate the Wii, I don't hate the wii at all.

 

I couldn't care less where the idea for Natal came from, again that's not relevent to the discussion (just more pathetic annoying gloating)

This thread is Arc vs Natal sales and which one could come out on top, nothing less nothing more.



 

Seece on 10 February 2010
vaio said:
Seece said:
vaio said:
Seece said:
vaio said:
Seece said:
vaio said:
Seece said:
vaio said:
Seece said:

I don't need to, I've already explained why wii isn't relevent, but you fail to read the OP. Again go learn what it means little kid.

you failed to read my comments as I have stated that I read it. Just because he intentionally leaves the Wii out doesnt make it less relevant.

It´s like theese analists talking about whos gonna win the console wars and not mentioning the Wii, you cant talk about winning the hardware race and not include the Wii.

If he wanted to talk about motion controlls on only xbox and ps then he should have talked about motion controlls SECOND PLACE not MOTION CONTROLL WINNER.

you see the difference?

 

Wow, then you didn't read the OP did you? Cos despite the title this isn't about who's going to win the HW war or the motion wars, it's about who's going to come out on top BETWEEN Microsoft and Sony.

Go read the OP and go learn what trolling means. Seriously.

Seriously you have a reading comprehension problem when it comes to my posts?

here i copy and paste what i wrote:

1.Just because he intentionally leaves the Wii out doesnt make it less relevant.

2.It´s like theese analists talking about whos gonna win the console wars and not mentioning the Wii, you cant talk about winning the hardware race and not include the Wii.

AND

3.If he wanted to talk about motion controlls on only xbox and ps then he should have talked about motion controlls SECOND PLACE not MOTION CONTROLL WINNER.

Its not that hard to understand if you actually read it.

 

Just because he intentionally leaves the Wii out doesnt make it less relevant.

ugh, no I read your comment fine, This isn't about coming 1st or 2nd, it's PS3 VS 360!

I understand what you're saying, and I already addressed that, you're just mimicing me and coming out with crap.

you cant be talking about winner without including the wii simple as that, if he didnt leave out the wii intentionaly then he should have worded the title different as long as the title is what it is the only conclusion is that he willfully left out the wii.

Another reason why he could have left out the Wii is that his reasoning around the pricing goes out the window when Wii is included.

Wich of the reasons he actually acted on will never be known to either of us.

Yes you can actually, yet you and the wii fans here fail to see that. It's not the winner of the motion wars, it's the winner between 360 and PS3. and there will be one, he isn't saying the Wii hasn't one, he isn't mentioning it because it's completly irrelvent to the discussion.

Until you understand this entire thread is about 360 vs PS3 and who will win BETWEEN THEM, then you're gonna carry on with this very annoying "Waaaaaaa wii deserves a mention" attitude. Completly childish and annoying, know whats worse than a sore loser? a sore winner.

I never said it deserves mentioning I said you cant talk about winners without including the Wii and the reason he isnt mentioning one is because

1. he intenrionally ignores it

2. It kills his price argument

3 both the above

The whole reason there is a motion controlls war between the 2 (actually all three) is because of the Wii and thus you cant have this topic without the mentioning of said console.

you need to accept the wii exists and is the reason this topic exists and is actually Winning the motion contoll wars wich this is about.

As I said before just because he intentionally excludes the wii doesnt make it less relevant to the topic and just because his exclusion suits your agenda it doesnt either make it right.

If you want a xbox vs ps motion contoll topic go create one your self where it states its about second place or the winner between the 2 and i will gladly participate without mentioning Wii and also give my reasons why i think natal will and should win, this topic doesnt fit under those criterias.

We're going to have to agree to disagree, the wii has no place in this discussion and this is about the winner between Arc vs Natal not overall motion controller winner. Anyone can see that except for a few wii fans that want to gloat in this thread.

actually if you bothered to read the whole thread it´s more the wii owners that think it belongs to this discussion while your ponit of view isnt even supported by a handfull

I did read the thread and it seems 50/50, you lot just can't handle it when the wii isn't mentioned, it's like some annoying kid that hasn't been invited to a birthday party yet you insist on gatecrashing ...



 

BHR-3 on 10 February 2010
Seece said:
BHR-3 said:
"The key to success with a retrofitted motion controller is penetration"

the only one that can penetrate is arc and wii mote so its between those two if you use patchers theory

I really hope you're being sarcastic lol

yeah i just thought i go lighthearted its getting a little tense in this thread but thats what he did say though



                                                             

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Wyrdness on 10 February 2010
Seece said:
Wyrdness said:
The only impression I'm getting from this thread is that people don't want the Wii brought in because it's 67m units ahead. It's inevitable that the Wii will be brought into such a topic as it's the target for which they're aiming for, I honestly don't see the problem as rather then discussing it in a debate and drawing comparisons here and there between the new MCs and the Wii to further the discussion I see people raging and calling people trolls. I assume it's because in a topic like this it's the PS3/360 who are new to the game and playing catch up so they can't bash the Wii but rather the users who bring it up, debates progress and new elements are brought in to further discussions so if you don't like someone else drawing a comparison just ignore the post.

No not at all, my beef is with rubang coming into a PS3 vs £60 thread basically saying "Wii is in first place, the others don't matter" It's trolling and it's flamebait, and this is one of the few Natal vs Arc threads that would have been nice if wii fans didn't come in, because you know what? most people interested in Natal and Arc on this site arnt interested in the wii, I don't wanna have to talk about the wii everytime I come into a natal thread, it's getting REALLY boring.

I haven't read all the comments but let me tell you this just because you don't want the Wii brought into a discussion it doesn't mean it being brought in for comparisons and such can't add to the debate, Senseinobaka's post hit the nail on the head on this point as looking at data on Nintendo and the Wii then comparing Pachter's predictions can open up on the type of approach Sony and MS need. The Wii can be as much as a discussion in here as what Pachter said, if you took issue with a certain post PM that person rather then quoting and trying to battle everyone who mentions the Wii as it's giving off a certain impression, Wii owners are going to come here because of the title and the more cynical are going to jump at the chance at winding up those reacting angrily while the level headed will take an issue with yours and certain other users reations towards anyone who mentions the Wii particularly if you're labelling people as trolls.



vaio on 10 February 2010
Seece said:
vaio said:
Seece said:
Wyrdness said:
The only impression I'm getting from this thread is that people don't want the Wii brought in because it's 67m units ahead. It's inevitable that the Wii will be brought into such a topic as it's the target for which they're aiming for, I honestly don't see the problem as rather then discussing it in a debate and drawing comparisons here and there between the new MCs and the Wii to further the discussion I see people raging and calling people trolls. I assume it's because in a topic like this it's the PS3/360 who are new to the game and playing catch up so they can't bash the Wii but rather the users who bring it up, debates progress and new elements are brought in to further discussions so if you don't like someone else drawing a comparison just ignore the post.

No not at all, my beef is with rubang coming into a PS3 vs £60 thread basically saying "Wii is in first place, the others don't matter" It's trolling and it's flamebait, and this is one of the few Natal vs Arc threads that would have been nice if wii fans didn't come in, because you know what? most people interested in Natal and Arc on this site arnt interested in the wii, I don't wanna have to talk about the wii everytime I come into a natal thread, it's getting REALLY boring.

get over your boring overdramatic Wii hate thats so old and accept that Natal would be where it is today with out the wii hence why wii shows up in such discussions.

To some extent i agree with you, just showing up to rub into peoples faces that the wii wins is tiring but to exclude the wii in a discussion it belongs too isnt right either.

You have paranoia, just because someone doesn't have interest or wants to talk about the Wii doesn't mean they hate the Wii, I don't hate the wii at all.

 

I couldn't care less where the idea for Natal came from, again that's not relevent to the discussion (just more pathetic annoying gloating)

This thread is Arc vs Natal sales and which one could come out on top, nothing less nothing more.

as long as motion control winner is in the headline you will never be right.



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.

Seece on 10 February 2010
vaio said:
Seece said:
vaio said:
Seece said:
Wyrdness said:
The only impression I'm getting from this thread is that people don't want the Wii brought in because it's 67m units ahead. It's inevitable that the Wii will be brought into such a topic as it's the target for which they're aiming for, I honestly don't see the problem as rather then discussing it in a debate and drawing comparisons here and there between the new MCs and the Wii to further the discussion I see people raging and calling people trolls. I assume it's because in a topic like this it's the PS3/360 who are new to the game and playing catch up so they can't bash the Wii but rather the users who bring it up, debates progress and new elements are brought in to further discussions so if you don't like someone else drawing a comparison just ignore the post.

No not at all, my beef is with rubang coming into a PS3 vs £60 thread basically saying "Wii is in first place, the others don't matter" It's trolling and it's flamebait, and this is one of the few Natal vs Arc threads that would have been nice if wii fans didn't come in, because you know what? most people interested in Natal and Arc on this site arnt interested in the wii, I don't wanna have to talk about the wii everytime I come into a natal thread, it's getting REALLY boring.

get over your boring overdramatic Wii hate thats so old and accept that Natal would be where it is today with out the wii hence why wii shows up in such discussions.

To some extent i agree with you, just showing up to rub into peoples faces that the wii wins is tiring but to exclude the wii in a discussion it belongs too isnt right either.

You have paranoia, just because someone doesn't have interest or wants to talk about the Wii doesn't mean they hate the Wii, I don't hate the wii at all.

 

I couldn't care less where the idea for Natal came from, again that's not relevent to the discussion (just more pathetic annoying gloating)

This thread is Arc vs Natal sales and which one could come out on top, nothing less nothing more.

as long as motion control winner is in the headline you will never be right.

It's funny you think Winner has to be associated with the overall console war and not between 2 competitors. That's where it is YOU that has reading comprehension problems.



 

Signalstar on 10 February 2010

Wii fans clearly destroyed this thread. It's in fact painful to read. Sigh



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JaggedSac on 10 February 2010

Guys, you are obviously getting nowhere with your arguments. Let the thread die.