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MW2 (PS3) outsell GT5?

MW2 will sell more 45 20.45%
 
Granturismo 5 will sell more 138 62.73%
 
MW2 will sell more if GT5 has no bundles 23 10.45%
 
I'm a troll so ill go he... 14 6.36%
 
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jarrod on 08 February 2010
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
oh. and 295k is 40% not 55%

Oh really?

295k + 238k = 533k

295k / 533k = .553 = 55%


considering they sold 740k in japan... yeah...

You mean shipped.  Shipped =/= sold.   They sold through 533k, with 295k of that being basically given away.



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jarrod on 08 February 2010
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:

And it hardly matters if bundling made more than 55% of Japans figures when WW GT5P is at 4.6 million, 300k is a drop in the bucket.

You dont realize how small bundling EU actually has. They have lots of games in different areas for short times. Not like in NA that bundles the same game for long periods. So though total bundles in NA could be a couple hundred thousand its of one game when in EU it could be the same amount of bundles but of 5 different games.

lol.  300k is 55% of one major market.  That's most certainly not a "drop in the bucket" and doesn't really reflect all that well for the game.  Unless you can also source bundle figures for the 4.6m worldwide, such a comparison is immaterial at best, and intentionally deceptive at worst.

And no, I don't realize the scale of EU bundling because you've brought nothing credible to the table to inform me.  Source or stop the bullshit.


lol... 6.5% of total WW figures is a drop in the bucket.

lol... 6.5% is your made up figure.  The only hard figure we know is that free bundling accounts for 55% of sales in one of the 3 major markets.  As far as we know, bundling has massively inflated "sales" where we actually have any insight.


6.5% isn't a made up number 295k bundles / 4.65 million sold = 6.3%

4.65m shipped, not sold.  And 6.5% is a worthless figure, given it only sold counts bundles in one nation against worldwide shipments.  The only legitimate figure we have is a 55% bundle ratio for one market.

Again, source or drop the bullshit.



letsdance on 08 February 2010

Oh my god. They aren't going to ship hundreds of thousands of units if they arent selling. Famitsu doesn't count DLs WHICH STILL COUNTS AS SALESD! You drop your bullshit its so fucking annoying



jarrod on 08 February 2010
letsdance said:
Oh my god. They aren't going to ship hundreds of thousands of units if they arent selling. Famitsu doesn't count DLs WHICH STILL COUNTS AS SALESD! You drop your bullshit its so fucking annoying

The only bullshit in here is the idea that only 50k bundles went to Europe and some meaningless 6.5% figure.  And no, downloads actually wouldn't count as sellthrough.



letsdance on 08 February 2010
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
Oh my god. They aren't going to ship hundreds of thousands of units if they arent selling. Famitsu doesn't count DLs WHICH STILL COUNTS AS SALESD! You drop your bullshit its so fucking annoying

The only bullshit in here is the idea that only 50k bundles went to Europe and some meaningless 6.5% figure.  And no, downloads actually wouldn't count as sellthrough.


sell through means absolutly nothing... we are talking about brand power and how much sales a certain game generated. DLed or not someone wanted it enough to buy it. And its not my job to prove the numbers. ITS YOURS since you are the one using it as proof of a game not having as much selling power. get off your high horse and come back to reality.



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jarrod on 08 February 2010
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
Oh my god. They aren't going to ship hundreds of thousands of units if they arent selling. Famitsu doesn't count DLs WHICH STILL COUNTS AS SALESD! You drop your bullshit its so fucking annoying

The only bullshit in here is the idea that only 50k bundles went to Europe and some meaningless 6.5% figure.  And no, downloads actually wouldn't count as sellthrough.


sell through means absolutly nothing... we are talking about brand power and how much sales a certain game generated. DLed or not someone wanted it enough to buy it. And its not my job to prove the numbers. ITS YOURS since you are the one using it as proof of a game not having as much selling power. get off your high horse and come back to reality.

I'm not saying anything about selling power, I'm just saying Japanese tracked sales put most copies of GT5P as having been bundled, the (free) bundles hugely inflated it's overall figures.  I'd also say sellthrough is a significant metric when looking at "selling power" though, if you really want to go there...



letsdance on 08 February 2010
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
Oh my god. They aren't going to ship hundreds of thousands of units if they arent selling. Famitsu doesn't count DLs WHICH STILL COUNTS AS SALESD! You drop your bullshit its so fucking annoying

The only bullshit in here is the idea that only 50k bundles went to Europe and some meaningless 6.5% figure.  And no, downloads actually wouldn't count as sellthrough.


sell through means absolutly nothing... we are talking about brand power and how much sales a certain game generated. DLed or not someone wanted it enough to buy it. And its not my job to prove the numbers. ITS YOURS since you are the one using it as proof of a game not having as much selling power. get off your high horse and come back to reality.

I'm not saying anything about selling power, I'm just saying Japanese tracked sales put most copies of GT5P as having been bundled, the (free) bundles hugely inflated it's overall figures.  I'd also say sellthrough is a significant metric when looking at "selling power" though, if you really want to go there...


But it hasn't put most copies bundled. You are wrong. Adn you are too closed minded to understand why. You are impossible.



jarrod on 08 February 2010
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
Oh my god. They aren't going to ship hundreds of thousands of units if they arent selling. Famitsu doesn't count DLs WHICH STILL COUNTS AS SALESD! You drop your bullshit its so fucking annoying

The only bullshit in here is the idea that only 50k bundles went to Europe and some meaningless 6.5% figure.  And no, downloads actually wouldn't count as sellthrough.


sell through means absolutly nothing... we are talking about brand power and how much sales a certain game generated. DLed or not someone wanted it enough to buy it. And its not my job to prove the numbers. ITS YOURS since you are the one using it as proof of a game not having as much selling power. get off your high horse and come back to reality.

I'm not saying anything about selling power, I'm just saying Japanese tracked sales put most copies of GT5P as having been bundled, the (free) bundles hugely inflated it's overall figures.  I'd also say sellthrough is a significant metric when looking at "selling power" though, if you really want to go there...


But it hasn't put most copies bundled. You are wrong. Adn you are too closed minded to understand why. You are impossible.

Sure it has.  238k standalone copies versus 295k bundled copies.  That's not factoring unsold shipped copies or downloaded copies (the latter being a figure we have basically no insight into), again only tracked sales.

 



letsdance on 08 February 2010
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
Oh my god. They aren't going to ship hundreds of thousands of units if they arent selling. Famitsu doesn't count DLs WHICH STILL COUNTS AS SALESD! You drop your bullshit its so fucking annoying

The only bullshit in here is the idea that only 50k bundles went to Europe and some meaningless 6.5% figure.  And no, downloads actually wouldn't count as sellthrough.


sell through means absolutly nothing... we are talking about brand power and how much sales a certain game generated. DLed or not someone wanted it enough to buy it. And its not my job to prove the numbers. ITS YOURS since you are the one using it as proof of a game not having as much selling power. get off your high horse and come back to reality.

I'm not saying anything about selling power, I'm just saying Japanese tracked sales put most copies of GT5P as having been bundled, the (free) bundles hugely inflated it's overall figures.  I'd also say sellthrough is a significant metric when looking at "selling power" though, if you really want to go there...


But it hasn't put most copies bundled. You are wrong. Adn you are too closed minded to understand why. You are impossible.

Sure it has.  238k standalone copies versus 295k bundled copies.  That's not factoring unsold shipped copies or downloaded copies (the latter being a figure we have basically no insight into), again only tracked sales.

 


thered only need to be about 60k dls to make your styatement false. that would leave 150k still on shelves which id be willing to bet there hasnt been that many since its first month.



jarrod on 08 February 2010
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
Oh my god. They aren't going to ship hundreds of thousands of units if they arent selling. Famitsu doesn't count DLs WHICH STILL COUNTS AS SALESD! You drop your bullshit its so fucking annoying

The only bullshit in here is the idea that only 50k bundles went to Europe and some meaningless 6.5% figure.  And no, downloads actually wouldn't count as sellthrough.


sell through means absolutly nothing... we are talking about brand power and how much sales a certain game generated. DLed or not someone wanted it enough to buy it. And its not my job to prove the numbers. ITS YOURS since you are the one using it as proof of a game not having as much selling power. get off your high horse and come back to reality.

I'm not saying anything about selling power, I'm just saying Japanese tracked sales put most copies of GT5P as having been bundled, the (free) bundles hugely inflated it's overall figures.  I'd also say sellthrough is a significant metric when looking at "selling power" though, if you really want to go there...


But it hasn't put most copies bundled. You are wrong. Adn you are too closed minded to understand why. You are impossible.

Sure it has.  238k standalone copies versus 295k bundled copies.  That's not factoring unsold shipped copies or downloaded copies (the latter being a figure we have basically no insight into), again only tracked sales.

 


thered only need to be about 60k dls to make your styatement false. that would leave 150k still on shelves which id be willing to bet there hasnt been that many since its first month.

Reread what I wrote, I was talking about tracked sales.   I wasn't venturing into guessing unsold shipments or downloads, though from old shipment data we know at least 270k copies were shipped/downloaded before the bundle hit.