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UncleScrooge on 08 February 2010

Ugh, I just opened a thread in the sales forum with the requested graphs because I didn't see your posts soon enough. Here it is. (I would post the graphs again but it took me like half an hour to do it once and I don't want to repeat that, really )

The PS1 had a rather poor start but its sales exploded later on while the PS3 had a better start but was rather stable so far. The PS1 dropped off rather quickly after 2 years of amazing sales, though. So it might depend on the PS3's legs to get there.



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Kasz216 on 08 February 2010
BladeOfGod said:
Kasz216 said:
NJ5 said:
BladeOfGod said:

Aha

If you see a guy running next to a car, and the car goes a bit faster, do you say the car is "outperforming" the running guy?

 

Two better examples would be.


Does Big Mama's house achieve more then Citizen Kane because it made more in theatres in actual dollars not adjusting for inflation

 

Or does a movie theatre in Paris France outperform a Movie theate in Paris Ohio because it oversells a movie by 1 person. 

 

Either way, it's kinda of a pointless argument when the movie thatre in Paris France has undersold the Paris Ohio movie theatre by a few million.

Look dude, we are on SALES web site in SALES forum disscussion. When we say asystem performed better,here we mean it outsold something.

Which...

A) It didn't.

B) Sales are relevative to generation due to inflation not caused by a products demand.

What the Atari did was way more impressive then what the Gamecube did.  Yet the Gamecube probably sold more then the Atari 2600.  This argument of course totally irrelevent at this point because of A.



GameAnalyser on 08 February 2010

PS3 sales graph bar shall rise slowly thru the coming fiscal years and i bet there is a long way to go. Well Heavy Rain's been the latest buzz, and other anticipated AAA titles shud be the contributors.



Kasz216 on 08 February 2010
NJ5 said:
Bamboleo said:
I wonder how good where the PS1 sales in it's first 3 years to be on par with PS3.

I'd like to have a graph on both 3 sony consoles LTD sales.

There's a Spin here.

Comparing a system(PS3) to another that hadn't that much of spectacular sales before a certain period (PS1) doesn't make that system a lot better from thin air because the old system wasn't selling that good till a certain point after 3~4 years in the market.

For a reason no one compares PS3 sales with PS2 sales, because there, the scenario is much different.





Who's with me?

Yes there's spin, the same spin that Crazzyman was using when comparing PS3 to PS2 (due to the staggered launches). That comparison eventually got derailed when the negative factors caught up, which is why you don't see many people using it anymore.

There's also what Kasz216 said, of course...

 

mario64 said:


PS3 is very successful. I couldn't say if it's more or less successful than PS1, I'd say both are equally successful.

PS1 = first place

PS3 = third place (second if everything goes well for Sony)

PS1 = 66% market share

PS3 = nowhere near 66% market share

Sorry but they're not equally successful, even if someone found a way to get PS3 sales to appear similar to PS1 sales.

 

Still though NJ5... there has to be a more complicated metric then simply Market Share.

 

I mean if the Wii outsells the PS2... will it really be less successful due to it's market share even though it specifically created the new fans that propelled itself to it's larger sales?

For the PS3 who is mostly selling to PS2 fans only that's one thing... but for a console that's created ~33% of it's base and increased the gaming market in a huge way... it's hard to argue against numbers like that.

Hence why such a metric is argueable... it's hard to figure out.



NJ5 on 08 February 2010
Kasz216 said:

Still though NJ5... there has to be a more complicated metric then simply Market Share.

 

I mean if the Wii outsells the PS2... will it really be less successful due to it's market share even though it specifically created the new fans that propelled itself to it's larger sales?

For the PS3 who is mostly selling to PS2 fans only that's one thing... but for a console that's created ~33% of it's base and increased the gaming market in a huge way... it's hard to argue against numbers like that.

Hence why such a metric is argueable... it's hard to figure out.

 

I think it's safe to say that the Wii is less successful than the PS2 at capturing the console market as a whole. It may of course be more successful in certain market segments, and at expanding the market, but on the whole I still think the PS2 was more successful.

Now if we want to talk about success in terms of profits, the Wii is surely more successful than the PS2.

 



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Bamboleo on 08 February 2010

This thread just died with this new Response thread:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=100519&page=1




Kasz216 on 08 February 2010
NJ5 said:
Kasz216 said:

Still though NJ5... there has to be a more complicated metric then simply Market Share.

 

I mean if the Wii outsells the PS2... will it really be less successful due to it's market share even though it specifically created the new fans that propelled itself to it's larger sales?

For the PS3 who is mostly selling to PS2 fans only that's one thing... but for a console that's created ~33% of it's base and increased the gaming market in a huge way... it's hard to argue against numbers like that.

Hence why such a metric is argueable... it's hard to figure out.

 

I think it's safe to say that the Wii is less successful than the PS2 at capturing the console market as a whole. It may of course be more successful in certain market segments, and at expanding the market, but on the whole I still think the PS2 was more successful.

Now if we want to talk about success in terms of profits, the Wii is surely more successful than the PS2.

 

Fair enough... it seems odd though when comparing success to penalize something for being the own engine of it's destruction in that regard so to speak.



Legend11 on 08 February 2010

We had discussions like this one when the PS3 was keeping up with the PS2. Since that ship has sailed it's the PS1's turn to be used to try to make the PS3 not look like a failure when compared to its predecessors. It's just smoke and mirrors and will be shown as such in time.



freebs2 on 08 February 2010

In 97/98 there were many killer applications coming....now what is coming?

Resident Evil, Metal Gear, GTA and Tekken are already out....FFXIII in japan didn't performed as well as expected and it's not an exclusive anymore, Gran Turismo 5 has now the strong competiton of Forza Motorsport 3 on 360, God Of War didn't managed to sell more than 3.5million copies so far on Ps2, and I don't think it will do better with the much smaller Ps3's user base, heavy rain is an interesting game but it will unlikely appeal to the mainstream audience.

In 97/98 sony was making profit selling Ps1, at the actual moment they are still losing money underselling the Ps3.

The Ps1 was the most conviniet home console to consumers in 97/98 considering the price of console and the price of games (thanks to CDs), now Ps3 is the most expansive one thanks to blu-rays; a feature that I love but most people don't need, considering that the actual blu-ray share of the home video market is only beetween 10-15% while "on demand" video broadcasting market keeps growing.

One important reason that helped Ps1's large scale succes was the imponent advertisment campaign wich sony started in 96/97, playstation became a UEFA Champions League sponsor since then for example. Now that the playstation brand is well known to the world a new massive ad campaign won't have the same impact as it did in the past.

Ps3 is performing a lot worse than Ps1 at the moment.

 

 

 



XxXProphecyXxX on 08 February 2010
freebs2 said:

In 97/98 there were many killer applications coming....now what is coming?

Resident Evil, Metal Gear, GTA and Tekken are already out....FFXIII in japan didn't performed as well as expected and it's not an exclusive anymore, Gran Turismo 5 has now the strong competiton of Forza Motorsport 3 on 360, God Of War didn't managed to sell more than 3.5million copies so far on Ps2, and I don't think it will do better with the much smaller Ps3's user base, heavy rain is an interesting game but it will unlikely appeal to the mainstream audience.

In 97/98 sony was making profit selling Ps1, at the actual moment they are still losing money underselling the Ps3.

The Ps1 was the most conviniet home console to consumers in 97/98 considering the price of console and the price of games (thanks to CDs), now Ps3 is the most expansive one thanks to blu-rays; a feature that I love but most people don't need, considering that the actual blu-ray share of the home video market is only beetween 10-15% while "on demand" video broadcasting market keeps growing.

One important reason that helped Ps1's large scale succes was the imponent advertisment campaign wich sony started in 96/97, playstation became a UEFA Champions League sponsor since then for example. Now that the playstation brand is well known to the world a new massive ad campaign won't have the same impact as it did in the past.

Ps3 is performing a lot worse than Ps1 at the moment.

 

 

 

@ ff13 comment LOL yeh the game didn't do well it just smashed the famous japanese sales tracker(famitsu) prediction sales for the game.

@GT5 comment even bigger LOL!!! forza? big competition? a game that cant even out sell GT5 proloug? LMFAO! that like saying M.A.G is a big competition to Modern warfare.

@the god of war 3 comment fail, MGS4 released on ps3 with a so much smaller userbase than ps2 yet it outsold MGS3 on ps2 with a MUCH MUCH higher user base.

other than those I agree.