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jneul on 05 February 2010
kowenicki said:
jneul said:
Kasz216 said:
jneul said:
Darc Requiem said:

Kasz ended this thread a while back. It's fun to see the delusional keep ignoring him though. The original post ignores the fact that the PS1 would have been out for 4 fiscal years in Japan, 3 fiscal years in North America and Europe. The PS3 has been out for 4 fiscal years in Japan and North American, and 3.5 fiscal years in Europe. In this flawed comparison the PS3 has been on the market for 1 year longer than the PS1 in North America and six months longer in Europe. Thread logic = Fail.

sigh just wait till the end of this year, i expect more boost's from GOW III and FF XIII, not to mention the huge boost PS3 will get when GT5 comes out, this year will be the best year the PS3 would have had sales wise, PS3 sales are growing, not losing pace.

Which you know... won't change the facts that the PS3 isn't selling like the PS1.

The PS3 could have a miracle and start selling like the PS2 and i'd still be right.

I'd also be happy the PS3 would be selling like the PS2 because.

A) I like the PS3... I own one.

B) I like videogames, the more consoles sold the better... I wouldn't care if it was virtual boy sales... even though I hate that headache inducing bastard.

 

The fact of the matter is though... I'm not going to play pretend when I know there is an erronious conclusion being drawn.   The facts are the facts and there are few things that annoy me more then misrepresented statistics.  Probably because of my statistical and scientific background in college.

 

That and we don't really need repeats of the "PS3 is selling like PS2!" threads we had a year or two ago... they were just annoying.  You need to alight launched by region to make any kind of meaningfull analysis.

fair enough, and in all due honesty i don't question your point's of view, i just don't like when people get overly nagative about the ps3, in my view it will reach 100m+, eventually.

we all need to stop this negativity towards all consoles in my own view no console is doomed, ps3 will surprise everyone, and wii will really astonish us all, it is destined to break the ps2 record at this rate.


it is destined to break which record at what rate?  clarify please.

the Wii will sell more than the ps2 has in its console life, there you go you heard it from me, yup and you know how pro sony i am. The Wii has already broken all records so far, so I cannot see why not, it already proved a lot of people wrong.



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Kasz216 on 05 February 2010
jneul said:
Kasz216 said:
jneul said:
Darc Requiem said:

Kasz ended this thread a while back. It's fun to see the delusional keep ignoring him though. The original post ignores the fact that the PS1 would have been out for 4 fiscal years in Japan, 3 fiscal years in North America and Europe. The PS3 has been out for 4 fiscal years in Japan and North American, and 3.5 fiscal years in Europe. In this flawed comparison the PS3 has been on the market for 1 year longer than the PS1 in North America and six months longer in Europe. Thread logic = Fail.

sigh just wait till the end of this year, i expect more boost's from GOW III and FF XIII, not to mention the huge boost PS3 will get when GT5 comes out, this year will be the best year the PS3 would have had sales wise, PS3 sales are growing, not losing pace.

Which you know... won't change the facts that the PS3 isn't selling like the PS1.

The PS3 could have a miracle and start selling like the PS2 and i'd still be right.

I'd also be happy the PS3 would be selling like the PS2 because.

A) I like the PS3... I own one.

B) I like videogames, the more consoles sold the better... I wouldn't care if it was virtual boy sales... even though I hate that headache inducing bastard.

 

The fact of the matter is though... I'm not going to play pretend when I know there is an erronious conclusion being drawn.   The facts are the facts and there are few things that annoy me more then misrepresented statistics.  Probably because of my statistical and scientific background in college.

 

That and we don't really need repeats of the "PS3 is selling like PS2!" threads we had a year or two ago... they were just annoying.  You need to alight launched by region to make any kind of meaningfull analysis.

fair enough, and in all due honesty i don't question your point's of view, i just don't like when people get overly nagative about the ps3, in my view it will reach 100m+, eventually.

we all need to stop this negativity towards all consoles in my own view no console is doomed, ps3 will surprise everyone, and wii will really astonish us all, it is destined to break the ps2 record at this rate.

I wasn't being overly negative about the PS3.

I wasn't even being negative about the PS3.

I was stating a specific fact about the PS3... correcting the incorrect stat in the OP.

 

It's not like it's impossible the PS3 won't pick up on the PS1... though it'd probably take more then 1 year to do it.

 

You figure they're probably about... ~6-7 million behind right now.

 

Aligning with the PS3 launches, between now and this time next year PS1 would have shipped 8.33 million in europe, 6.91 in the US and 2.57 in Japan.

Meaning the PS3 will have to have shipped an additional ~17.81 million to break even.  A little less of course because of the old Sony reporting methods... but a little more since i'm still giving the PS3 a bit of a lead in europe to make the numbers work, and this is right when PS1 exploded in Europe.


Not really out of the question.  Just a matter of making up the 6-7 million and making sure it somehow stays relevant down the line.



sieanr on 05 February 2010
jneul said:
koffieboon said:
jneul said:
NiKKoM said:
BladeOfGod said:
NiKKoM said:
jneul said:
BladeOfGod said:
Cool, if PS3 can stay on market for 10 years like PS1, it will sel over 100 million consoles

i have also pointed this out to other people and they called me a retard, lol, some people are just denying the power of the ps brand

Some people are denying kasz posts... >_>

Kazs always comes to positive PS3 sales thread to ruin it.

 

He said that PS1 was launched in US and Europe 1 year after it was launched in Japan and thats correct. However, he ignored the fact that PS1 was 299$ on its launch and PS3 was 599$ on its launch.He also ignored the fact that PS1 was launched before its competitors that PS3 was launched AFTER its competitor

Inflation wise the Ps1 would be like 400$ and the PS1 was launched after the Saturn in Europe, America and Japan but Japan is just a week..

so ps3 was more expensive at release then, thanks for confirming that, now it has fallen to $299 we should see some major improvements this year, i already expect 14m ps3's to be sold this year (if not more)

Is this based on current sales compared to last year? Because any lead build up now quickly diminishes once September starts and there is no slim release nor a $100 price cut to raise sales like last year (obviously assuming Sony isn’t willing to lose a lot of money on selling PS3s). Btw, I don't say you can't be right, I just think it is way to soon to make a meaningful prediction at the moment.

[b[it will easily do that amount with FF XIII, GOW III, and GT5 coming, of course that is just a point of view.

Iif x360 gets a price cut, it may be hard for ps3 to do that, to be honest that is the only thing that could hurt the ps3 at the moment, but they have tried that during christmas, and ps3 still came out on top, but like you said most of that was due to the ps3 slim

Hahahaha, none of those things have happened yet. And even when/if they do, the impact is likely to be far less than you assume.



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HideoK on 05 February 2010

I always knew when the PS3 launched it wasn't "Doooomed" and wouldn't be a complete failure. It just needed time to grow and for developers to learn how to program for it, much like PS1 & PS2.

I think it's safe to call it a success now



sieanr on 05 February 2010
HideoK said:
I always knew when the PS3 launched it wasn't "Doooomed" and wouldn't be a complete failure. It just needed time to grow and for developers to learn how to program for it, much like PS1 & PS2.

I think it's safe to call it a success now

The PS1 had extensive libraries an excellent dev kits from day one. Its ease of programming was one of its stregnths, and reasons for its success.I don't see how thats in any way similar to the PS3.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

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RageBot on 05 February 2010

I'm a HUGE PS3 fan and I know that the PS3 won't reach 100 mil (or ten years on the market).



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DarkNight_DS on 05 February 2010

The gaming division is tied with the Vaio sales which apparently is where all of that money came from. According to Sony's financial s they are still losing 18$ on every PS3 and sales were flat for the gaming division (meaning the same loss as last year if all you looked at was the game side).



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Bamboleo on 05 February 2010
BladeOfGod said:
Bamboleo said:
BladeOfGod said:
NiKKoM said:
jneul said:
BladeOfGod said:
Cool, if PS3 can stay on market for 10 years like PS1, it will sel over 100 million consoles

i have also pointed this out to other people and they called me a retard, lol, some people are just denying the power of the ps brand

Some people are denying kasz posts... >_>

Kazs always comes to positive PS3 sales thread to ruin it.

 

He said that PS1 was launched in US and Europe 1 year after it was launched in Japan and thats correct. However, he ignored the fact that PS1 was 299$ on its launch and PS3 was 599$ on its launch.He also ignored the fact that PS1 was launched before its competitors that PS3 was launched AFTER its competitor

And you're ignoring the fact that PS1 launch price of 299$ back in 1995 was much more money than 299$ nowadays.

 

 

huh? more than 599$ nowdays?

I wouldn't say that much, but 300$ back in 1995 might be about 450 or 500$ nowadays.

At least in Europe inflation from last decade to present was just insane. And given that, the launch prices for both consoles were not 300 to 600. Let's say PS3 was 150$ more expensive than PS1 according to economy inflation.



MikeB on 05 February 2010
Darc Requiem said:

Kasz ended this thread a while back. It's fun to see the delusional keep ignoring him though. The original post ignores the fact that the PS1 would have been out for 4 fiscal years in Japan, 3 fiscal years in North America and Europe. The PS3 has been out for 4 fiscal years in Japan and North American, and 3.5 fiscal years in Europe. In this flawed comparison the PS3 has been on the market for 1 year longer than the PS1 in North America and six months longer in Europe. Thread logic = Fail.

Nomatter the headstart in 2 regions, taking equal timeframes last quarter the PS3 sold just as much as the PS1 did for the equivalent quarter. So IMO despite the much cheaper entry pricing of the PS1 at that point, the PS3 performs well and considering how well the PS1 did in the end certain fans too quickly made this gen out to be a sprint instead of a marathon.



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Kasz216 on 05 February 2010
Bamboleo said:
BladeOfGod said:
Bamboleo said:
BladeOfGod said:
NiKKoM said:
jneul said:
BladeOfGod said:
Cool, if PS3 can stay on market for 10 years like PS1, it will sel over 100 million consoles

i have also pointed this out to other people and they called me a retard, lol, some people are just denying the power of the ps brand

Some people are denying kasz posts... >_>

Kazs always comes to positive PS3 sales thread to ruin it.

 

He said that PS1 was launched in US and Europe 1 year after it was launched in Japan and thats correct. However, he ignored the fact that PS1 was 299$ on its launch and PS3 was 599$ on its launch.He also ignored the fact that PS1 was launched before its competitors that PS3 was launched AFTER its competitor

And you're ignoring the fact that PS1 launch price of 299$ back in 1995 was much more money than 299$ nowadays.

 

 

huh? more than 599$ nowdays?

I wouldn't say that much, but 300$ back in 1995 might be about 450 or 500$ nowadays.

At least in Europe inflation from last decade to present was just insane. And given that, the launch prices for both consoles were not 300 to 600. Let's say PS3 was 150$ more expensive than PS1 according to economy inflation.

It's only about 350 due to inflation... I posted information in a previous post.