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griffinA said:
Barozi said:
griffinA said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Millennium said:
If you want respectable reviews, skip directly to the User Reviews section of any site, toss out the ones with obvious bias, and draw conclusions from the rest. Do not trust ANY professional reviewer this generation: every last one of them has fallen to bias, one way or another, and that makes them all worthless.

This is the kind of attitude that has completely ruined the review system. Not even the reviews themselves (although they're a big part). Of course reviewers are going to be biased. Everyone is. Even those people writing those precious user reviews. Reviewers may be bad sometimes, but I actually trust them more than consumers much of the time.

A lot of "I don't trust this or that" is because gamers no longer want to accept review scores. They don't want a site to tell them that the game they've wanted to play for months or even years is average. So, they just say that the site is unreliable. It's the spoiled attitude gamers have gotten this generation, and it gets more severe all the time. 

That said, my most trusted review source is Vgchartz. It's the only one where I actually bother to remember any of the reviewer's names or what they say.

Not many people on the internet have much consistency. People are just reaping what they sew when they said things like "Wii Sports sucks because it got a bad Metacritic score." If that is your justification for judging a game's quality then you have no right to argue with the system when a particular game you like gets a bad score.

I agree with you that the people whining about the low scores are just whiners but I disagree about trusting "professional" video game reviewers more than user reviews. If everyone has their own bias, then you should trust the guy that just dropped $60 of his hard earned money to buy the game.

If I have the choice I trust the guy who has enough gaming knowledge and can rate games objectively and not some guy who bought the game for $60 and then sells it after 1 hour of gameplay because he doesn't like the beginning. Those people are also extremely biased and either try to justify their purchase by praising the game (although they didn't like it as much) or by smashing the game because they think it wasn't worth their $60 even though the game wasn't half bad, they just expected something different. I'm not sure who suffers more. That guy who bought and then sold the crappy game and wasted some money but gets a refund or the guy who is forced to play it from the beginning to the end even though he hates it.

Either way it's unfair to attack reviewers, because everyone is biased in a certain way as Monti already said.

Bolded seems contradictory to me.

 

Look, both a User Reviewer and a "professional" reviewer are just giving their opinion about the game. What's wrong with a customer saying "Hey I actually think Demon Souls didn't deserve the praise it got, I think it was more of an average game"?

But a professional reviewer shouldn't exactly express his personal opinion. Because a totally subjective opinion doesn't help anyone to decide buying a game or not.

Reviews should be objective. Of course it's not 100% possible, but they at least try. If people wanted to hear random opinions, they wouldn't buy magazines or read internet reviews.

In my opinion Zelda is an (slightly above) average action-adventure series. However if I must write a review about any game of the series, I would need to accept that the developers made decision that I don't like as much, but many people do like, thus rating it better than I think it actually is.

For example I almost don't care at all about online multiplayer modes. I see the quality in that section when playing Killzone 2, but was at the same time dissapointed with the singleplayer mode. In my opinion I would rate the game way lower than in my official review.

At the same time I think reviewers should only review games in genres they like or at least don't hate.



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I tend to read the VGchartz reviews and nintendolife's reviews (nintendolife reviews every VC and WiiWare release in a couple of days and I agree with most of their reviews).

I find metacritic (and other such sites) to be worthless.

However, I have found that nothing beats the user reviews of amazon. Look at the average of the user reviews (which amazon automatically does), and you will instantly know if the game is good or not.



The only respectable review is the one with a written verdict, not a one that uses some sort of number system etc. Since the 1-10 scale isnt defined.. for example a game must have X and Y to achieve a 7 etc. So every single review/er has its own definition of what a game has to have for it to qualify for a certain score.

So the only, imo, respectable review/er is the one that uses a written summary of his thoughts of the game.



Whether or not you agree with a review has NOTHING to do with the review's validity. Reviews are a representation of the opinion of one person who is not you. You may have a different opinion about a game - sometimes a MUCH different opinion - and then does not make the review invalid/biased/stupid/wrong/etc. It just means you have a different opinion.

The only reviews I do not trust are exclusive ones, because there is so much pressure to overscore a game when you get early and exclusive access.

Find a reviewer who tends to see things your way - not a whole site, but a reviewer - and trust his/her opinion to be like yours in the future too.

Most people only look at the score anyway, and that really tells you NOTHING about a game.



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

Also.. since games and tech evolve the number system is faulty. I remember a reviewer writing that he regrets giving GTA4 a 10 after LBP came out.

What qualified as a 10 three years ago, would not be a 10 with todays expectations. Sure a game can be perfect at the time, and a new game can be perfect at this moment aswell. But then the whole metacritic thing is moot since its a way to compare games based only on their scores and viewed as something current no matter when it was released and what was possible at the time.



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MontanaHatchet said:
Millennium said:
If you want respectable reviews, skip directly to the User Reviews section of any site, toss out the ones with obvious bias, and draw conclusions from the rest. Do not trust ANY professional reviewer this generation: every last one of them has fallen to bias, one way or another, and that makes them all worthless.

This is the kind of attitude that has completely ruined the review system. Not even the reviews themselves (although they're a big part). Of course reviewers are going to be biased. Everyone is. Even those people writing those precious user reviews. Reviewers may be bad sometimes, but I actually trust them more than consumers much of the time.

A lot of "I don't trust this or that" is because gamers no longer want to accept review scores. They don't want a site to tell them that the game they've wanted to play for months or even years is average. So, they just say that the site is unreliable. It's the spoiled attitude gamers have gotten this generation, and it gets more severe all the time. 

That said, my most trusted review source is Vgchartz. It's the only one where I actually bother to remember any of the reviewer's names or what they say.

Plus the added benefit of being able to private message them and question their manhood and/or intelligence level is unparalled.




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CommonMan said:
I agree with a lot of what IGN says in their reviews personally, but their scores can get a little out of hand (see the perfect 10's of this gen, fer realz?)

I've found that if I knock one full point off an IGN score, that's usually how I would rate the game.




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I wouldn't trust any of the official magasines/sites further than an asthmatic midget could throw a clinicaly obese african elephant. They all show some form of bias. I don't generally use the internet to find scores, for some reason I'll only take a score seriously if it has been printed in a magasine (and I hate reading whole reviews on a computer screen). I trust the reviews I read in GAMEStm, they're interesting, informative and fair. Don't get me started on EDGE though! :D



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The only reviewers I ever listen to anymore is gametrailers, because they back up their reviews with visual examples in their actual video reviews. But even they are not above their personal bias, especially against the Wii and general RPGs/Anime games. As well, they hardly ever review DS games.



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