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Kasz216 on 04 February 2010
leo-j said:
CGI-Quality said:
ioi said:
Or what I said about 10 posts up...

Have some people ignored this completely?

since when did sony have access to sellthrough numbers? I thought they only released "sold to retailer" numbers?

I mean they constantly say there numbers are consumer sales, but everyone says they are lying, and that they are really shipped figures..

 

so honestly the post isn't that important in this situation, its been argued upon countless of times before.. anything sony says is always shipped to retailer =/

Look at it this way.  If THIS number is sold to customers... every other number that people claimed was "sellthrough" was still really shipped.

Since otherwise this number is way too low.



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SOLIDSNAKE08 on 04 February 2010

is the vgchartz world in a world of their own? do none of you know that sony give actual sales to consumers now? and dont give me one of them rants because sony have clarified it about 5 times now so there really is nothing more to say about it really. sony have their own internal tracking like nintendo.



jarrod on 04 February 2010

Sony gave out shipments anyway now. Real gap: 33.5m PS3 to 38.7m 360 (to 67.45 Wii)



vaio on 04 February 2010
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
is the vgchartz world in a world of their own? do none of you know that sony give actual sales to consumers now? and dont give me one of them rants because sony have clarified it about 5 times now so there really is nothing more to say about it really. sony have their own internal tracking like nintendo.

youre the one living in your own world it´s sold to retailers that they report not to consumers, it used to be shipped to werehouse and they changed it to sold to retailers and no they dont have anything similar to Nintendos Siras infact they are themselves customers of Nintendos tracking service Siras



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selnor on 04 February 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

You u can exaggerate numbers and no you won't end up like enron.that only happens when you do it alot.many companie's have exaggerated alot in the past.

Well, you can stuff the channel, but you usually pay for it the next cycle.  See 360 in late 2006 (to hit 10m), or PSP in late 2005/early 2006 (to keep pace with DS).

Still, it doesn't look like MS is channel stuffing now.

yeah but they haven't sold to consumer 39m by any chance

Sure, but I don't believe Microsoft ever said they have?

they did at ces and in their recent financial report

If they actually said they SOLD to CONSUMERS 39 million. Then I believe them. Shareholders and certain laws are in place to protect them against making stock decisions based on company lies. M$ legal department will know this.

many companies do it again and again.only the ceo knows what exactly is happening.they would just minus 2m shipments from the next quater's figures and be done.that happens alot.

 

and no MS didn't say shipped to consumers but you can't have 2m extra units on the shelves too.so most probably they are bluffing or they overshipped and not alot of consumers bought them.

 

whereas sony said they shipped 31m and they sold 31m in last quarter as figures show.there is a proof,there were PS3 shortages in dec itself

Can you post a link to any shortages? I knew of none. Also Sony never said anything that I ever read. PS3 was easily available. If 31m is shipped, then we definately have PS3 sales wrong on this site.



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Torillian on 04 February 2010
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

You u can exaggerate numbers and no you won't end up like enron.that only happens when you do it alot.many companie's have exaggerated alot in the past.

Well, you can stuff the channel, but you usually pay for it the next cycle.  See 360 in late 2006 (to hit 10m), or PSP in late 2005/early 2006 (to keep pace with DS).

Still, it doesn't look like MS is channel stuffing now.

yeah but they haven't sold to consumer 39m by any chance

Sure, but I don't believe Microsoft ever said they have?

they did at ces and in their recent financial report

If they actually said they SOLD to CONSUMERS 39 million. Then I believe them. Shareholders and certain laws are in place to protect them against making stock decisions based on company lies. M$ legal department will know this.

many companies do it again and again.only the ceo knows what exactly is happening.they would just minus 2m shipments from the next quater's figures and be done.that happens alot.

 

and no MS didn't say shipped to consumers but you can't have 2m extra units on the shelves too.so most probably they are bluffing or they overshipped and not alot of consumers bought them.

 

whereas sony said they shipped 31m and they sold 31m in last quarter as figures show.there is a proof,there were PS3 shortages in dec itself

Can you post a link to any shortages? I knew of none. Also Sony never said anything that I ever read. PS3 was easily available. If 31m is shipped, then we definately have PS3 sales wrong on this site.

We don't, they put up their shipped figures last night: 33.5m.  Thank god that's over, arguing about this was getting tiresome.



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Solid_Snake4RD on 04 February 2010
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
is the vgchartz world in a world of their own? do none of you know that sony give actual sales to consumers now? and dont give me one of them rants because sony have clarified it about 5 times now so there really is nothing more to say about it really. sony have their own internal tracking like nintendo.

yeah sony does that now but nobody believes them.i said the same thing some time ago but everybody ganged up on me



Solid_Snake4RD on 04 February 2010
vaio said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
is the vgchartz world in a world of their own? do none of you know that sony give actual sales to consumers now? and dont give me one of them rants because sony have clarified it about 5 times now so there really is nothing more to say about it really. sony have their own internal tracking like nintendo.

youre the one living in your own world it´s sold to retailers that they report not to consumers, it used to be shipped to werehouse and they changed it to sold to retailers and no they dont have anything similar to Nintendos Siras infact they are themselves customers of Nintendos tracking service Siras

nah sony does track sold to consumers these days.it has done from alot of time ago but nobody believes.the financial reports always will contain the shipment figure.

 

but what peter dillie said 2 days ago that over 31m PS3's have sold was the sold to consumers sales data



Solid_Snake4RD on 04 February 2010
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

You u can exaggerate numbers and no you won't end up like enron.that only happens when you do it alot.many companie's have exaggerated alot in the past.

Well, you can stuff the channel, but you usually pay for it the next cycle.  See 360 in late 2006 (to hit 10m), or PSP in late 2005/early 2006 (to keep pace with DS).

Still, it doesn't look like MS is channel stuffing now.

yeah but they haven't sold to consumer 39m by any chance

Sure, but I don't believe Microsoft ever said they have?

they did at ces and in their recent financial report

If they actually said they SOLD to CONSUMERS 39 million. Then I believe them. Shareholders and certain laws are in place to protect them against making stock decisions based on company lies. M$ legal department will know this.

many companies do it again and again.only the ceo knows what exactly is happening.they would just minus 2m shipments from the next quater's figures and be done.that happens alot.

 

and no MS didn't say shipped to consumers but you can't have 2m extra units on the shelves too.so most probably they are bluffing or they overshipped and not alot of consumers bought them.

 

whereas sony said they shipped 31m and they sold 31m in last quarter as figures show.there is a proof,there were PS3 shortages in dec itself

Can you post a link to any shortages? I knew of none. Also Sony never said anything that I ever read. PS3 was easily available. If 31m is shipped, then we definately have PS3 sales wrong on this site.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=98404

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=97551

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=97107

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=96822

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=95991

 

the ps3 was sold out at many places around 17th dec.and almost all online retailers were out of stock a week before christmas



PakChiuCheng on 04 February 2010

I think Selnor gets multiple orgasms the moment he believes that PS3 is overtracked or Xbox 360 is Undertracked.