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There is no doubt the Wii has been one of the hottest consoles ever to release.  You would think with these sales nothing could ever stop it.  Unfortunately out of all the positive hype, it has one negative kink.  That kink being it has sacrificed the core gamer in an effort to expand the market and make money.  Now of course most of us know this isn't true.  With all the wonderful games they have brought to us on the Wii, this is absolutely false.  But that hasn't stopped the gaming public from ranting on about it.

Let's face the facts.  The only reason this has exploded to this high level of negativity by both the fanbase and the media, is because the Wii is doing so well.  If the Wii had completely bombed and sold 20 million in its lifetime, not one gamer or media site would have written one thing negative about the console.  It would have been remembered as the console that took an ultimate risk that just didn't catch on and had awesome games.  But because Wii had the opposite effect, caught on like wildfire, and became the mainstream entertainment machine of choice, it's always going to be the subject of criticism, similar in ways that PS2 had it.  Thus Wii gets knocked on for not having any good games and Nintendo gets knocked on for not supplying to the core gamer. 

This has become such a widespread issue that down the line this really could hurt Nintendo and the longetivity of the Wii.  Let's face it.  Consoles sell well for long periods of time due to mainstream hype.  And if hype becomes negative, sales will drop.  The RROD scandal with the 360 was not good for sales trust me.  Nintendo themselves, have noticed this problem as well.  Constantly in interviews, press releases, ect. they make notion of core games and how they will be supplying to the core gamer.  They repeatedly keep saying how core games will be at E3, recently.  They understand this bad hype could hurt them and they are obviously trying to turn the public's thoughts the other way.  They even talk about 3rd party core titles and how they are quality.  I mean those 2 issues are kinda tied in, which is why I'm talking about both.

However, I have an idea for Nintendo.  Something a little more bold, but I think something that would work exceptionally well.  The Wii has been bundled with Wii Sports in the majority of the world since launch.  IN commercials, the cover of the Wii console box, and all areas is dominated by that game's prescence.  Yet when they talk, they speak of supporting both core and casual gamers.  Yet from a gamer's perspective, couldn't that lone box in of Wii Sports suggest otherwise.  From a marketing standpoing it definetly does.  Thus I suggest this.  Instead of simply bundling Wii Sports, bundle a core game in as well.  Thus on the box you'll see Wii Sports and a huge brand core game.  Thus when a buyer or a core gamer looks at it they see hey Wii Sports, the fun addictive game everyone wants to try, and *insert well known brand game name* that I've been playing since the days of the NES.  It not only makes the system more appealing but makes it more diverse in range.  This would possibly alleviate the anti-sentiments that Nintendo doesn't support the core gamer, when right out of the box of purchase, you get a big brand name game.

Before I decide which game that is, couldn't Nintendo support this monetary wise.  Well let's face it, Wii Sports is possibly $5 of the price of the entire console.  The rest of the console has significantly dropped in development costs in the last year and a half, meaning Nintendo is making large profits off the Wii.  They can afford to add another game in there that would only add $30 to the cost of everything, but they could still sell it at $250.  Not only could this be like a theoretical pricedrop, but it also makes for great new set of advertising telling people about the wondeful deal they are about to get.  This would be a diamond in an already filled gold mind. 

So now onto which game.  Well they could bundle Twilight Princess, which would be the safest choice.  I mean cheapest title now to put in there, and definetly a core game.  But really I think Nintendo needs to think out of the box on this.  Something out of their own library.  How about a 3rd party game.  Now your not only telling core gamers hello, but your saying to 3rd parties that you are backing them.  I mean could be Call of Duty: World at War(when it comes out), Fatal Frame IV for Japan, Sonic Unleashed for Europe, ect.  Doesn't have to be the same game across all regions.  But make it a 3rd party title and watch as you reak the benefits of 3rd parties seeing less risk as Nintendo helps them out.

I think this idea would work wonders for Nintendo, and really show the public what they already have proven.  That they care about all gamers and that they are willing to help 3rd parties.  It's just they need to do it again.  I think this is something they should announce at E3, TGS, and/or a Nintendo conference.  I mean it's not just to alleviate a media complaint, but something that could really drive hype, sales, and demand higher than it already is.  Nintendo you've hit the gold mine already, now it's time to expand an empire.  Use that money and use that appeal to continue pushing further and leave no scars.  I believe this idea can heal the wounds and fill up the pocketbooks for Nintendo.  Hopefully someone already within Nintendo is reading this and is thinking I'm stealing there ideas, as I think this is perfect for them.

 

 



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Either it's agreed upon in thought or unnoticed. No comments?



Why exactly would Nintendo want to change their strategy?

Don't fix it if it ain't broke and Nintendo unlike Sony and MS is well in the Black this generation.



Zucas said:
Either it's agreed upon in thought or unnoticed. No comments?

Sorry man, I was critted by a wall of text.  I am still in recovery.



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Well when I think about all they have to do is acquire a couple small but good western developers to concentrate and only make western stlye games since Retro can not do it all by themselves. That would alleviate the problem without distracting or straining thier current developers with game types they are not use to making. Example FPS, WRPG, MMO, THird Person shooters and etc



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flagship said:
Why exactly would Nintendo want to change their strategy?

Don't fix it if it ain't broke and Nintendo unlike Sony and MS is well in the Black this generation.

Yes with that kind of strategy you look at NES to GC.

 

Yall are missing the point.  I'm not saying the Wii is going to lose this generation.  I'm simply saying Nintendo needs to look to the future.  Thus they need to come out of this generation unscathed in anyway.  Doesn't matter if it's sales or media hype.  Yall really do underestimate how powerful brandname really is.  And when it gets any kind of mark on it, it will hurt it severely.  Nintendo understands this, which is why they are making so many responses about how they have all this stuff, along with 3rd parties, planned for the core gamer. 

If Nintendo realizes it's an issue, yall should as well.  And it's a big issue.  Maybe not for the Wii but definetly for N6.  Nintendo needs to really try and prove to the general public what they should or do already know.  And that's that they are supplying to ALL gamers.  We know they are, but they have to keep pushing the button.

Remember MS will never recover from that bad RROD media.  I mean that has hurt the Xbox brand for it's entire lifecycle.  I wouldn't be surprised if the next MS console didn't have Xbox in the word at all.  It's just things like that you have to watch out for.  This is simply an idea on how you can further your position in the market and in brand appeal.  Something that has no risk attached to it whatsoever.  I mean the Wii would still be the same price and now the consumer gets 2 games.  It's not risk for Nintendo because they have opportunity for increased advertising which generates more sales and demand along with a chance to drag in more 3rd parties.  Hell even if it wasn't about the bad media strike of being anti core gamer, it'd still be a good idea. I'm simply gving thought on how to resolve an issue, such that articles like Wii is a fad, Nintendo has forgotten the hardcore gamer, Only Party games sell, Nintendo Doesn't care about 3rd Parties, ect will dissappear.  It's articles like that you don't need gamers reading everyday.  You want them reading about new Wii games being announced, the expansion of the online setup of the system, and domination in the market without question. 

 

 

Sales are gained by more than just price and games.  They are gained mainly by brand appeal and it is imperative to keep that brand appeal as high as it can be.  This is an opportunity to expand it further.



Why would they want to do this?

Their console is the fastest selling console, ever.

Recently alot of core games have been announced for the Wii, alot more will be announced at e3, including some by Nintendo.

I think Wii Sports shold stay bundled



Nintendo has never had a problem with profit.  Image is nothing, thirst profit is everything.

 

Seriously though, Nintendo itself is making plenty of hardcore games, the problem is the lack of a current third party line up to provide the variety that the diverse group of core gamers want.  Nintendo has very little control over this, and they tried to alleviate this by lowering the cost of development and control over third parties.

It will evolve, as it always does.  The best casual games will continue to get deeper blending the line between casual and hardcore (Boomblox and Elebit immediately come to mind).  For those expecting lots of gritty shooters, I'm sorry but it is not going to happen. 5-10 a year, maybe but no where near the number you see on 360 and PS3.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

It makes a lot of sense in a marketing kind of way, but it may also backfire. Two titles bundled with one console may be too much, and if it's a 3rd party title, other 3rd parties could resent it. Has Nintendo ever bundled a 3rd party game with any product?

Note that in Japan, not even Wii Sports is bundled and the Wii is still killing the HD consoles both in sales and developer attention. I think Japan should be left out of this debate because I doubt there's this FUD being spread there.



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I don't see a problem with the current bundle, therefore I don't think they need to fix anything. If they were to change the bundled game or add another, it would most likely be another Nintendo-published game, not a third party one.